PatrickS77 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, StayofExecution2020 said: 91/92 That's why they added another cycle in 93 without the big band so they can make some money Exactly. Even though I tend to take that with a bit of grain of salt. I can't really believe that they didn't make any money in '91/'92. But then again, compared to now, tickets back then cost nothing (even though people were still complaining about ticket prices), so maybe it is true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR_RNR Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 32 minutes ago, dando said: So 2012, Belfast, Dublin, Manchester, Birmingham and Barcelona that i went to... All near enough sold out, none of these we're poorly attended.. People turned out... Very true. Nu-GNR wasn't a instant venue sell out act but they toured arenas pretty comfortably in most of the world. Especially impressive considering that (to this day) GNR seem to hate committing to bringing along good support acts for a tour. 6 minutes ago, StayofExecution2020 said: 91/92 That's why they added another cycle in 93 without the big band so they can make some money Yeah that's what I remember the Skin N' Bones tour being referred to as in Slash's book (I think). 1 minute ago, PatrickS77 said: Exactly. Even though I tend to take that with a bit of grain of salt. I can't really believe that they didn't make any money in '91/'92. But then again, compared to now, tickets back then cost nothing (even though people were still complaining about ticket prices), so maybe it is true. Yeah it might seem crazy but looking at how cheap tickets used to be and the scale of the partying I can believe it. They must've made a fortune on album sales though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said: Very true. Nu-GNR wasn't a instant venue sell out act but they toured arenas pretty comfortably in most of the world. Especially impressive considering that (to this day) GNR seem to hate committing to bringing along good support acts for a tour. They must've made a fortune on album sales though. Well, the one arena I saw in Basel in 2012, the upper level was quite empty. Mönchengladbach didn't fare much better, I was told. And the Oslo show I saw in 2010 also wasn't close to a sell out. Yeah. The albums saved them back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 16 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said: Exactly. Even though I tend to take that with a bit of grain of salt. I can't really believe that they didn't make any money in '91/'92. But then again, compared to now, tickets back then cost nothing (even though people were still complaining about ticket prices), so maybe it is true. They did make quite some money, but their managers pissed it away without the boys realizing, and all the late-start charges weren't insignificant either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said: Exactly. Even though I tend to take that with a bit of grain of salt. I can't really believe that they didn't make any money in '91/'92. But then again, compared to now, tickets back then cost nothing (even though people were still complaining about ticket prices), so maybe it is true. Oh, they were probably blowing out cash left right and centre! I think it's highly likely they were spending more than they were earning. This was the era before ticket prices went bonkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, jamillos said: They did make quite some money, but their managers pissed it away without the boys realizing, and all the late-start charges weren't insignificant either. So they shouldn't say "we didn't make any money", they should say "we were too stupid to keep all the money we made". 11 minutes ago, allwaystired said: Oh, they were probably blowing out cash left right and centre! I think it's highly likely they were spending more than they were earning. This was the era before ticket prices went bonkers. Yeah. We are way to late to go to so many concerts. I could have seen half of the tour with the money I spent on this tour. Edited July 21, 2020 by PatrickS77 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR_RNR Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 34 minutes ago, PatrickS77 said: Well, the one arena I saw in Basel in 2012, the upper level was quite empty. Mönchengladbach didn't fare much better, I was told. And the Oslo show I saw in 2010 also wasn't close to a sell out. Yeah. The albums saved them back in the day. Absolutely not all shows were sellouts. But they sold well enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dallasgnrfan Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 The model has changed-- in '91-'93 you toured to boost album sales as album sales was the main profit driver for the band. Now it is the other way around, with tours being the bigger profit driver, hence the largely inflated ticket prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 22 minutes ago, dallasgnrfan said: The model has changed-- in '91-'93 you toured to boost album sales as album sales was the main profit driver for the band. Now it is the other way around, with tours being the bigger profit driver, hence the largely inflated ticket prices. We should have continued to buy albums. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR_RNR Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 1 hour ago, dallasgnrfan said: The model has changed-- in '91-'93 you toured to boost album sales as album sales was the main profit driver for the band. Now it is the other way around, with tours being the bigger profit driver, hence the largely inflated ticket prices. Yep, tickets have just picked up the slack where albums used to be. 1 hour ago, PatrickS77 said: We should have continued to buy albums. Unironically yes. Music being worthless and ticket prices being sky high is truly the worst timeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 2 hours ago, PatrickS77 said: So they shouldn't say "we didn't make any money", they should say "we were too stupid to keep all the money we made". I believe that's what either Slash or Duff said in their book. That the managers were partying for their money, and they didn't know. Plus the fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NachoLZ Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 Crazy to think this is the FIFTH year touring NITL. 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alejandro GNR Posted July 21, 2020 Share Posted July 21, 2020 And they were able to post only 6 songs with an ultra mediocre performance🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 12 hours ago, dando said: Axl will carry on forever with Guns, Slash left before, nobody knows he's off again.. Its easy money playing with Guns so why would he go? Guns carried on before and would if it happened again I bet they wont be playing arenas or stadiums. What would axl do ask ashba to come back?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, jamillos said: I believe that's what either Slash or Duff said in their book. That the managers were partying for their money, and they didn't know. Plus the fees. It think the majority of the money went on axls after show parties, band day off days out and i thought the odd fine if they played late if there was curfews?. The only thing slash matt and duff would buy on tour was probably liquor and drugs. I think they had low spending habits. 8 hours ago, PatrickS77 said: We should have continued to buy albums. I really need to learn how, when and who in the industry changed the whole model. Edited July 22, 2020 by Sydney Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 10 hours ago, StayofExecution2020 said: 91/92 That's why they added another cycle in 93 without the big band so they can make some money And so someone according to slash in his book, could afford their mult million dollar malibu home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 14 hours ago, dando said: Slash & Myles wouldn't fill the arena's that Guns minus slash would. Because they didn't do it in 2014 already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
80309561 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 15 hours ago, DTJ80 said: Surely you wouldn’t want this to happen???? Why what's the difference its just touring anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZODIAC Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 6 hours ago, Sydney Fan said: I really need to learn how, when and who in the industry changed the whole model. Why? Because you own a Delorean and gonna fix up that shit in the past? 😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 43 minutes ago, ZODIAC said: Why? Because you own a Delorean and gonna fix up that shit in the 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 7 hours ago, Sydney Fan said: I really need to learn how, when and who in the industry changed the whole model. 1) Greed, 2) in the 90s, 3) the recording companies, producers, and all the other sharks who made an album cost a teenager a fortune, while the actual artist got like 10% of the price or whatever. I believe if the records cost like a half, a lot of people still would have been buying them back then. It's different now, with all the streaming etc., never to be the same. Basically the same debate as with burning and later downloading CDs and why. I remember Axl saying he reckoned two people would buy the UYI double album: each would buy one and copy the other one. Try suggesting something like this today... Greed. The answer to everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dando Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Free Bird said: Because they didn't do it in 2014 already. Different sized arena's, the 3k place we saw slash wasn't the 20k arena we saw Guns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dando Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Sydney Fan said: I bet they wont be playing arenas or stadiums. What would axl do ask ashba to come back?. Pass... Him, Finck, bumble etc all know the tracks, hopefully Slash stays... There's absolutely nothing but someone asking what if at this point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Italian girl Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 50 minutes ago, Sydney Fan said: never!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, dando said: Different sized arena's, the 3k place we saw slash wasn't the 20k arena we saw Guns Just because you didn't saw SMKC in a big arena it doesn't mean they didn't played them. Stop spreading lies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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