GoForJMark Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said: Yeah man, I was pleasantly surprised with the fan youtube vids when they palyed it. I thought it was pretty good for this lineup with the potential to get even better with practice.. On the vocal effects, they definately didn't get it right! lol What the hell was that? They made him sound worse lol.. Who the hell is mixing this shit??? Just pump up the crowd noise or something... probably why it hasn't been on youtube yet hahaha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted October 8, 2020 Author Share Posted October 8, 2020 31 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said: What in the fuck was that?? Seriosuly.. That effect on Axl's voice was terrible. There was no way he used that duirng the actual show.. We all watched the fan recordings and didn't hear that shit.. Jesus.. Then Fortus is twice as loud as fucking Slash,.. This is such a Slash guitar song, I hardly want to hear Fortus at all nevermind that much louder than Slash. He doesn't capture the groove anyway.. Locomotive is an amazing song. It is cool that played it and chose to release it but atleast make it sound good. I don't even care if they doctor the shit up with overdubs at this point.. They aren't that great of a live band anymore as it is and they somehow manage to release a pro shot video that makes them sound worse than they already do... Just dig into the archives and remaster some shit from the classic lineups for us.. enough with this NITL crap.. wtf... The mix is so bad that I doubt they added any effects after the show. Axl used a similar effect back in 2010 and it wasn't noticeable during the shows but it's pretty obvious on the San Juan pro-shot. The thing that really annoys me is the album vocals in the background. But yea... Locomotive is really a "Slash song" and he's way too low in the mix. Frank was alright but this song really needs a cracking snare sound and Franks kit just doesn't sound great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mendez Posted October 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 8, 2020 the phaser that they put on Axls vocals is also used on the album version of the song 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Fan Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said: Yeah man, I was pleasantly surprised with the fan youtube vids when they palyed it. I thought it was pretty good for this lineup with the potential to get even better with practice.. On the vocal effects, they definately didn't get it right! lol What the hell was that? They made him sound worse lol.. Who the hell is mixing this shit??? Just pump up the crowd noise or something... Regarding tge crowd noise is this from the show where the original fan video that was captured, had an annoying screaming chick down the front?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NachoLZ Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 At the timestamp I left the video, you can see the Dodger Stadium 2016 proshot that was created with a real film crew... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 4 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: It's cool that they actually released a Locomotive proshot, but yea it sounds bad. The mix is poor, and that phaser effect (or whatever it is) on the vocals is distracting, in a bad way. It's not the first time he's used that effect (see Rocket Queen on the San Juan 2010 show) but it's just a weird choice. I don't know why Axl doesn't use his low/talking voice for the whole song, and have Melissa do the high vocals. It would sound so much better for them to harmonize throughout the song than for Axl to be switching back and forth. 2 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: What in the fuck was that?? Seriosuly.. That effect on Axl's voice was terrible. There was no way he used that duirng the actual show.. We all watched the fan recordings and didn't hear that shit.. Jesus.. Then Fortus is twice as loud as fucking Slash,.. This is such a Slash guitar song, I hardly want to hear Fortus at all nevermind that much louder than Slash. He doesn't capture the groove anyway.. Locomotive is an amazing song. It is cool that played it and chose to release it but atleast make it sound good. I don't even care if they doctor the shit up with overdubs at this point.. They aren't that great of a live band anymore as it is and they somehow manage to release a pro shot video that makes them sound worse than they already do... Just dig into the archives and remaster some shit from the classic lineups for us.. enough with this NITL crap.. wtf... I agree with both of you. Why is Fortus so much louder and why can't Fernando etc do anything right These guys are really good at messing everything up. Honestly that fan video was so much better than this. At least in that one we can hear Slash properly. And yeah Axl is by far the weakest part of this band, which is such a huge opposite to Slash who kills it on this song. You can tell who actually practiced and prepared and actually cares about their presentation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 7 hours ago, El Guapo said: Sounds like shit. Vocals are karaoke level bad, sound quality sucks as usual with the "selects" and what the fuck is Frank doing at the end? You can just hear they didn't really rehearse it as a band. It sucks and that's the truth. Exactly what I wanted to say. That's one of the very best Sorum drumming in this outro but Frank just doesn't click with the band 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricA Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, DTJ80 said: Fernando has confirmed on Reddit earlier today that he has the next Selects ready for review! So we should hopefully get that sooner rather than later! Hope it’s as good as the last one. 👍 You posted that now in at least 3 threads, and now go and have a listen to the locomotiv upload. If THIS (the horrible mixing and the voice effects) is what Fernando does "by reviewing" the videos, congrats, tell him to stop it. Edited October 8, 2020 by EricA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 38 minutes ago, EricA said: You posted that now in at least 3 threads, and now go and have a listen to the locomotiv upload. If THIS (the horrible mixing and the voice effects) is what Fernando does "by reviewing" the videos, congrats, tell him to stop it. It’s so damned dead around here at the minute I just wanted to share that on any thread where there was any chat. 🤷🏼♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t-p-d-a Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 6 hours ago, NachoLZ said: At the timestamp I left the video, you can see the Dodger Stadium 2016 proshot that was created with a real film crew... oh please... they shoud release it on Blu Ray! It was professionell filmed(!) GOD DAMN IT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 12 hours ago, Mendez said: the phaser that they put on Axls vocals is also used on the album version of the song This. And as the Fortus guitar isn't a clue enough, the recording of the soundboard mix is not representative of how it sounded live. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 This stuff obviously wasn’t mixed for release and pulled straight from the source. What works live in a building often doesn’t translate elsewhere. At a certain point it’s not releasable for even a passing YouTube upload. It needs to be edited and remixed (if they even have multi tracks ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurhamGirl Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I realise its 1986-1993 is where I get my enjoyment of Guns from (and I wasnt around shucks) , Axl's voice on the later stuff can just be embarrassing, why does he do it or does he just not care, I dont get it and starting to find it all a bit sad, although their bank accounts must be happy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 40 minutes ago, DurhamGirl said: I realise its 1986-1993 is where I get my enjoyment of Guns from (and I wasnt around shucks) , Axl's voice on the later stuff can just be embarrassing, why does he do it or does he just not care, I dont get it and starting to find it all a bit sad, although their bank accounts must be happy. Yeah the older stuff is definitely better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F*ck Fear Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 My favorite song is completely butchered. What dog shit is this? I honestly cannot believe people pay to see this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsdrummer63 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 15 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: What in the fuck was that?? Seriosuly.. That effect on Axl's voice was terrible. There was no way he used that duirng the actual show.. We all watched the fan recordings and didn't hear that shit.. Jesus.. Then Fortus is twice as loud as fucking Slash,.. This is such a Slash guitar song, I hardly want to hear Fortus at all nevermind that much louder than Slash. He doesn't capture the groove anyway.. Locomotive is an amazing song. It is cool that played it and chose to release it but atleast make it sound good. I don't even care if they doctor the shit up with overdubs at this point.. They aren't that great of a live band anymore as it is and they somehow manage to release a pro shot video that makes them sound worse than they already do... Just dig into the archives and remaster some shit from the classic lineups for us.. enough with this NITL crap.. wtf... In Richards defense he nailed the rhythm guitar, I had the same issue too and I relistened again today and there comes a point when midway through the guitars switch levels and slash is bumped up in the mix. I've been critical of franks drumming in the past, but this was probably one of his stronger songs. The outro was a bit rough for him and he lacks the chops that Sorum had on this track but I was pleasantly surprised again with how he did on this. In terms of Axl's vocals that enhancer/effect on his voice was quite a poor choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Slash should use a wah at the end. That is a nitpick compared to Axl, though 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42è BCP Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) I was going on mygnr to see if there were some news (i know, i have too much hope) and i read that a new video has just been posted. A live version of locomotive, way tooo coool ! and after that, i saw the video. 1) It's probably the worst perf of Axl on this song. I really enjoyed some other recent performances and i think he can do it well but not really this time. The Exit 111 version was better (no effects on axl voice !) 2) All of you said it : Richard's guitar is way too loud !! 3) During the corus we can clearly hear the original Axl part from the album in the background. I just check it, that was also the case during the show (it's not added for the video) 4) Ok Axl have an effect on his voice but it's close to the album (it's probably the thing that i like the least in that song). So after all, thank you because it's a awesome song and the video editing is cool, but as always, there're some stranges aspects. They listened fans by chosing locomotive. Not too bad :-) Edited October 8, 2020 by 42è BCP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said: Slash should use a wah at the end. That is a nitpick compared to Axl, though This is my nitpick aswell. The outro solo is so good as it was on the album, he shouldn't go in a different route. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 4 hours ago, DurhamGirl said: I realise its 1986-1993 is where I get my enjoyment of Guns from (and I wasnt around shucks) , Axl's voice on the later stuff can just be embarrassing, why does he do it or does he just not care, I dont get it and starting to find it all a bit sad, although their bank accounts must be happy. Even the songs in a range that he is totally capable of he doesn't perform that great... sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 The effect on Axl's vocal track is awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I know this would never happen, but it would be amazing if they put out some proper 2002, 2006, 2010, 2011, 2012 etc. pro shots. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42è BCP Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, Sweersa said: The effect on Axl's vocal track is awful. And above all, this effect wasn't on later performances on the tour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: What in the fuck was that?? Seriosuly.. That effect on Axl's voice was terrible. There was no way he used that duirng the actual show.. We all watched the fan recordings and didn't hear that shit.. Jesus.. Then Fortus is twice as loud as fucking Slash,.. This is such a Slash guitar song, I hardly want to hear Fortus at all nevermind that much louder than Slash. He doesn't capture the groove anyway.. Locomotive is an amazing song. It is cool that played it and chose to release it but atleast make it sound good. I don't even care if they doctor the shit up with overdubs at this point.. They aren't that great of a live band anymore as it is and they somehow manage to release a pro shot video that makes them sound worse than they already do... Just dig into the archives and remaster some shit from the classic lineups for us.. enough with this NITL crap.. wtf... That's a pretty close replication of the vocal effect in the studio version... the actual vocal was just shite though. Started off so, so and by the 2nd verse it was a pure nose dive. Band was fairly good though, bit again they mixed it so weird, usually you can't hear Richard but this time all you can hear is Richard. This fucking band😅 Edit - theres really no other way to look at it, Richard nailed this song playing exactly to the record or close enough that I can't tell the difference. Edited October 8, 2020 by Tom2112 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Sweersa said: I know this would never happen, but it would be amazing if they put out some proper 2002, 2006, 2010, 2011, 2012 etc. pro shots. 2011?😦 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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