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4 minutes ago, Free Bird said:

That's not what you were saying. Besides, no... GNR 2010/12 didn't sell out anything.

Very far from it. Every show on the UK tour tickets were made available free through a 'seat filling' company....and it was still noticeably empty. They simply weren't a draw at this stage, to anyone. A shame, as I thought the show was great. But to say they were doing well commercially is madness and simply untrue. 

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Riot shields or bust.  

Cant beleive its taken the band 3 months to do this, and Fernando only agreeing to do something like this when told to him directly by the fans. If GNR want to look at being a top tier band this

LARGER! LARGER TEXT!!! I CAN'T READ!!!

1 hour ago, Free Bird said:

That's not what you were saying. Besides, no... GNR 2010/12 didn't sell out anything.

They actually had quite few sell out shows, but only in certain markets/cities.

1 hour ago, dando said:

The point im trying to make is filling one arena per country in mainland Europe isn't hard.. Usually one show per country, the 2010/12 GNR lineup played a tour if 5/6 shows in the UK,Not one gig... Pretty much sold out arena's... Apart from one argumentative weird Austrian know it all... That cant be denied 

Filling one arena per country isn't hard, filling several on a tour in one country is more of a deal 

FWIW SMCK tended to do lengthy UK tours as well (and in Europe too).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_on_Fire_World_Tour

You can look back at the dates they played on wikipedia (no attendance though).

SMCK in 2014 (though in 2019 their Europe tour played slightly smaller venues).

I'd say SMCK were roughly equal in draw to Nu-GNR (but Nu-GNR was a noticable step bigger, brand recognition and all that).

1 hour ago, allwaystired said:

Very far from it. Every show on the UK tour tickets were made available free through a 'seat filling' company....and it was still noticeably empty. They simply weren't a draw at this stage, to anyone. A shame, as I thought the show was great. But to say they were doing well commercially is madness and simply untrue. 

Nu-GNR obviously weren't a draw to the same level as they are now but especially 2006-2012 they acted as a pretty successful arena touring act (in some markets).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Democracy_Tour

2012 saw them decline a bit in sales but they toured extensively so makes sense.

 

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2 hours ago, Free Bird said:

That's not what you were saying. Besides, no... GNR 2010/12 didn't sell out anything.

Yes they did, you attended the shows did you, or worked at any of them... No, sat at home saying shit u cant back up

 

Manchester, Birmingham, london TWICE Belfast & Dublin... All sold out.. I was there, plus have a look on wiki... The words SOLD OUT appear a lot at uk shows 

2 hours ago, PatrickS77 said:

Whatever, psychic loser.

Hiya pal... Still obsessed are u

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10 minutes ago, dando said:

Manchester, Birmingham, london TWICE Belfast & Dublin... All sold out.. I was there, plus have a look on wiki... The words SOLD OUT appear a lot at uk shows 

Hiya pal... Still obsessed are u

Right. Anyone not submitting to your shit is "obsessed". 

As for Wikipedia. Wouldn't be surprised if you were the one who wrote Sold out there.

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9 hours ago, dando said:

Yes they did, you attended the shows did you, or worked at any of them... No, sat at home saying shit u cant back up

 

Manchester, Birmingham, london TWICE Belfast & Dublin... All sold out.. I was there, plus have a look on wiki... The words SOLD OUT appear a lot at uk shows 

Hiya pal... Still obsessed are u

You don't have to tell me which shows I have attended. They were definitely not sold out. Seems like you are butthurt about something but I really don't care tbh. I believe you wouldn't even notice the closed sections if you're standing next to them.

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13 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

GNR did sell out shows in 2001-2014 end of discussion. Axl was playing to more people and bigger arenas then Slash ever did.

 

I don't think anyone said they never did, but it's a fact that audiences were getting smaller.

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39 minutes ago, Gibsonfender2323 said:

GNR did sell out shows in 2001-2014 end of discussion. Axl was playing to more people and bigger arenas then Slash ever did.

 

outside the US, yes,the New GNR 2011 Groupon Tour was a failure (5 years after the last US tour)

but  by 2012 they were playing the same venues ( US) with Slash playing  every 2 years or so, New GNR never had a tour as big as Velvet Revolver  2007 Summer Tour playing Amphitheatres(US only ),

New GNR played a total of  330 shows (13 years)

VR played 295 (4 years)

 

Slash Band is playing in bigger venues after every release.

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4 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

They were still selling out stadiums in 2010, at least in South America.

Here in Argentina they sold out in 2010 in Velez Sarsfield stadium cause it was the first time Axl came back here...by 2014 they were playin at Ferro Carril’s stadium which is small and it was 60% full

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2 hours ago, Alejandro GNR said:

Here in Argentina they sold out in 2010 in Velez Sarsfield stadium cause it was the first time Axl came back here...by 2014 they were playin at Ferro Carril’s stadium which is small and it was 60% full

El show de Ferro fue un papelon. Regalaron entradas por todos lados, y había hasta groupones de 2x1

 

Argentina 2014 had very poor sales, on the weeks prior to the show Almost every radio station was giving tickets away. Not even duff could save those sales. But the 2010 show was sold out and 2011 (same venue they played in 2017) was at least 80% sold 

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12 minutes ago, alangarcianr said:

El show de Ferro fue un papelon. Regalaron entradas por todos lados, y había hasta groupones de 2x1

 

Argentina 2014 had very poor sales, on the weeks prior to the show Almost every radio station was giving tickets away. Not even duff could save those sales. But the 2010 show was sold out and 2011 (same venue they played in 2017) was at least 80% sold 

Cuando tocaron en el 2011 en el Estadio Unico en La Plata estaba lleno, si mal no recuerdo!

 

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1 hour ago, Conejote said:

Cuando tocaron en el 2011 en el Estadio Unico en La Plata estaba lleno, si mal no recuerdo!

 

In 2011, they played in Orfeo (Cordoba), Metropolitano de Rosario and La Plata. 10.000 people the first two shows, La Plata almost full

In Ferro 2014, it was an expensive show. That was one of the reason of the poor ticket sales.

In La Plata 2017, was too expensive. 130usd General Admission, 220usd VIP, 320usd "Preferencial". That's a fuckin ton of money for our shitty economy.

In River Plate 2016, VIP was 150usd. 

4 hours ago, felixGNR said:

outside the US, yes,the New GNR 2011 Groupon Tour was a failure (5 years after the last US tour)

but  by 2012 they were playing the same venues ( US) with Slash playing  every 2 years or so, New GNR never had a tour as big as Velvet Revolver  2007 Summer Tour playing Amphitheatres(US only ),

New GNR played a total of  330 shows (13 years)

VR played 295 (4 years)

 

Slash Band is playing in bigger venues after every release.

Slash is playing in bigger venues every new tour, here in Argentina 5 shows: Mendoza, Cordoba, Rosario and 2 in Buenos Aires. (killer shows, specially Teatro Rivadavia)

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5 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

They were still selling out stadiums in 2010, at least in South America.

That's possible, mabe they sold out something in Europe too, I don't know. I was reacting to the guy who basically said they sold out every show in Europe and SMKC were just playing small venues just because he haven't seen them in arenas. That's pure trolling. Of course Guns N Roses, with the weight of this brand and name, pulled more people to the shows than SMKC. But SMKC did well on its own and  getting bigger from record to record while GNR were doing worse from tour to tour.

Even after GNR reunited and Slash booked smaller venues for SMKC they started to co headline festivals or being the headliner on smaller stages. 

Without the reunion and with some more GNR songs in their setlist they would have reached 2014 GNR level by now easily and had probably passed them considering SMKC would have 2 more records in their catalogue in 2020 without the reunion than they have now.

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On 21.7.2020 at 4:31 PM, PatrickS77 said:

Well, the one arena I saw in Basel in 2012, the upper level was quite empty. Mönchengladbach didn't fare much better, I was told. And the Oslo show I saw in 2010 also wasn't close to a sell out.

Yeah. The albums saved them back in the day.

Tickets for Mönchengladbach have been on sale for about 10€ because of low ticket sales and the show still wasn’t sold out. 

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On 22/07/2020 at 2:09 PM, PatrickS77 said:

Right. Anyone not submitting to your shit is "obsessed". 

As for Wikipedia. Wouldn't be surprised if you were the one who wrote Sold out there.

Yes they did... How the fuck would u know... Did u come? Typical sit at home & complain online about gigs u didn't see, at least if i have a stab. Its because i went... I hope not obviously but if this version of GNR implodes & slash and GNR/Axl and whoever goes ahead, i know who'll get bigger crowds

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On 22/07/2020 at 2:09 PM, PatrickS77 said:

Right. Anyone not submitting to your shit is "obsessed". 

As for Wikipedia. Wouldn't be surprised if you were the one who wrote Sold out there.

The guy is just abuse and aggression constantly. Not sure where he's popped up from but every thread now just descends into him dishing out insults at someone and saying 'what the fuck u know' or asking people why they're here. Life's too short to engage!  

It's a cast iron fact Nu-GNR were struggling and everyone knows it. Axl mentioned the band not making money, tickets were given out free to every UK show on the 2012 run by a seat filling company (if anyone cares to argue this point, I have the emails and tickets still, but a Google will also suffice of course) and they simply weren't selling. It's not even a debate, it's a fact. Jarmo recently described the situation as 'freefall' and you can't disagree with that really. Things weren't great from a commercial point of view.  And I'm not criticizing the performances as I thought they were absolutely excellent. Massive fan of that era. 

I suppose it's the 'I'm right and every one else can fuck off' attitude that is so popular now, but it's infuriating when you know things and there are facts and evidence to back up these things, which seem totally ignored in favour of rudeness and insults. 

But anyway.....back to the point in hand hey? When's our next dose of underwhelming videos?! 

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On 22/07/2020 at 5:16 AM, Free Bird said:

That's not what you were saying. Besides, no... GNR 2010/12 didn't sell out anything.

In 2010 alone they sold out the following shows…

Dublin, Belfast, Rome, Milan, Zürich, Paris, Geneva, Vienna, Bucharest, Belgrade, Prague, Lisbon, Madrid, London (twice), Birmingham, Manchester, Barcelona, Townsville, Abu Dhabi.

Why would you make up something like that? You’re just going to make things up to prove your point? Other fans are going to read your posts and some will think it’s true. Stop making things up and misleading people.

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On 13/07/2020 at 8:52 PM, dando said:

That's because it wasn't Brian more than likely... His voice was absolutely on the money

Didn't they only play that once or twice? 

Ah he was great at first, but as the shows went on he was clearly having some difficulties with the range, songs like Shoot to Thrill and For those about to rock were a bit painful around the Philly mark. He did really well and it was so great to hear after the amount of years he sang like crap and everyone piled on him for it. 

I just don't think he can sing like that for 2hrs on a consistent basis anymore... he can sing like it, but for shorter bursts, but maybe he can do more with the right coaching? But... this is stuff we've been talking about for years! :D 

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