action Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 1 minute ago, SoulMonster said: On one hand we have this armchair analysis from "action" at mygrnforum and on the other hand we have numerous descriptions by politicians, bureaucrats and diplomats who have met with worked with Merkel describing her as extremely intelligent. Who on earth to believe? if we accept that extreme intelligence exists, then we need to accept that by definition, the majority of people are not extremely intelligent. Otherwise, the adverb "extremely" would be meaningless. Extremely points to a minority, by default. so when "numerous" parties are communicating the same idea, then the mere fact that they are "numerous" is worrying. Then, the legitimate question arises if these "numerous people", in a world populated by mostly non-intelligent people, are extremely intelligent themselves. And seeing how the probability of these "numerous people" NOT being very intelligent is directly proportional to their numbers, I'd put serious question marks with the validity of their appreciation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) an interesting point that has been brought up for ages. the moon eclipsing the sun perfectly is so unlikely to happen, that this must be proof of us being in a simulation. but in this video he says that there is actually one other moon in our solar system that fits those criteria: callisto and jupiter. callisto is 179 times smaller than the sun, and the sun is 179 times further away from jupiter than callisto. but this made me thinking. could this perfect "equation" not be the result of the interaction of the gravity of the sun in combination with the gravity of the planet in question, and the influence this has on the size of moons being created? In ways we haven't really discovered yet? the sun pulls at the moon, and so does the planet. there needs to come a balance between the two. the formation of the moon is also susceptible to this balance. jupiter is heavier than earth, so it manages to pull its moon closer to itself than the sun does (the force of the sun remains the same). it seems to me, if you can find two such instances in the same solar system, it's actually not such a rare event after all. Edited August 12, 2020 by action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 3 hours ago, action said: I think merkel is a farcical figure. she's the typical leftist politician that gets her real motivations circumvented by having a tough look in her eyes. People elect her, assuming she's a no nonsense hardliner, but she's just a pussy like all those other character-less politicians. Theresa may was another one of those figures, sporting a tough look in her eyes, but being a clownesque figure in the end with no backbone whatsoever. Her demise was painfull to watch. The common strategy of those people, who lack the intelligence needed for the job (or any intelligence period), is to "look" smart. In the way of, "I don't know the hell what I'm doing, but I'm going to look like I have everything under control". Sometimes I think all these leftist parties hold some sort of auditions, and they pick easily manipulatable candidates with the intelligence of an eggshell, but who have a tough look in their eyes. That's what people vote for. People don't listen to what you say, they only care about how you look. To look like a tough one, generates trust. And people fall for it, time and time again. She is more a centrist really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontdamnmeuyi2015 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 All the doctors are saying listen to the science when it comes to the corona virus. So why aren't the people in power doing this? Science is usually right and in this case since they know very little about this virus, they are still trying to help people stay safe. Everyday this virus has a new symptom and new side effects, so if a doctor or a scientist tells you something that can save your life, damn it, listen to them. There has to be more in this universe than just our planet. At least I hope so and I hope they treat their planet with more respect than we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) Didn't Merkel vote against equal marriage? Edited August 13, 2020 by EvanG cant spell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 2 hours ago, EvanG said: Didn't Merkel vote against equal marriage? She is centre-right neo-liberal, the CDU. Although she is in coalition with the left, the SPD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said: She is centre-right neo-liberal, the CDU. Although she is in coalition with the left, the SPD. she seems to do what lefties do when she needed to lay her cards on the table, they were very red coloured Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 It has now been confirmed that the dwarf planet (am I allowed to use that expression?) Ceres, orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter, contains oceans of saline water with sodium carbonate lying precipitated at the surface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 1 hour ago, SoulMonster said: It has now been confirmed that the dwarf planet (am I allowed to use that expression?) Ceres, orbiting the sun between Mars and Jupiter, contains oceans of saline water with sodium carbonate lying precipitated at the surface. here is your guide to become a more tolerant and progressive astro physicist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 As a former scientist I am shocked to hear that scientists will re-name some stuff in space in respect to people who found the previous names offensive. I never would have though that the "left" would "cancel" science this way. I suppose this is the end of modern society. Without science, what are we to do?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted August 17, 2020 Author Share Posted August 17, 2020 it just hit me: physicists don't have to think; everything is made up of formulas. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 I recently heard about the Schumann resonance and have only briefly researched some of it. But from what I can gather so far, I seem to do well when the energy spikes I dont know if thats a good or bad thing.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 On 17/08/2020 at 8:27 PM, action said: it just hit me: physicists don't have to think; everything is made up of formulas. They didn’t just dream the formulas y’know...or involuntarily yell them out at the peak of an orgasm, they are a tested method, it the same way 90% of human function is a tested method. Even thinking works to a formula, progression of logic etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 58 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: They didn’t just dream the formulas y’know...or involuntarily yell them out at the peak of an orgasm, they are a tested method, it the same way 90% of human function is a tested method. Even thinking works to a formula, progression of logic etc. what I mean is, scientists, when solving a problem, only need to know which formula to look to (pretty straightforward stuff, for example how do you calculate the forces pulling an object away), then apply the numbers and bam - there is your solution. In a way, a plumber needs to think more than a scientist. There is no water coming out of the tap. What could be the reason? A leak in the pipes? Did the water company cut off supply? Are they working in the streets? What could be the best way to solve the problem? A patch? a new pipe? etc. Or my favorite: a lawyer, who needs to defend a rapist. His job is to get the rapist acquitted: how is he going to achieve that? There's no formulas here buddy, once he's in that courtroom, the lawyer is on his own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 1 minute ago, action said: what I mean is, scientists, when solving a problem, only need to know which formula to look to (pretty straightforward stuff, for example how do you calculate the forces pulling an object away), then apply the numbers and bam - there is your solution. But that's not what scientists do You are thinking about engineers who apply the results of physics by using mathematical models to calculate stuff. Physicists use the scientific method to expand our knowledge of the material world, and in doing so they develop mathematical models that can be used by others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 10 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: so they develop mathematical models that can be used by others. most scientists never discover a mathematical model in their entire life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 you used to be a scientist, @SoulMonster can you give us an example of one mathematical model you developed, that is now used by others? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, action said: what I mean is, scientists, when solving a problem, only need to know which formula to look to (pretty straightforward stuff, for example how do you calculate the forces pulling an object away), then apply the numbers and bam - there is your solution. In a way, a plumber needs to think more than a scientist. There is no water coming out of the tap. What could be the reason? A leak in the pipes? Did the water company cut off supply? Are they working in the streets? What could be the best way to solve the problem? A patch? a new pipe? etc. Or my favorite: a lawyer, who needs to defend a rapist. His job is to get the rapist acquitted: how is he going to achieve that? There's no formulas here buddy, once he's in that courtroom, the lawyer is on his own. You're talking bollocks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dazey said: You're talking bollocks! my son, when building new lego buildings, probably has more problem-solving processes going on in his mind, than a scientist applying formulas to a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, action said: what I mean is, scientists, when solving a problem, only need to know which formula to look to (pretty straightforward stuff, for example how do you calculate the forces pulling an object away), then apply the numbers and bam - there is your solution. In a way, a plumber needs to think more than a scientist. There is no water coming out of the tap. What could be the reason? A leak in the pipes? Did the water company cut off supply? Are they working in the streets? What could be the best way to solve the problem? A patch? a new pipe? etc. Or my favorite: a lawyer, who needs to defend a rapist. His job is to get the rapist acquitted: how is he going to achieve that? There's no formulas here buddy, once he's in that courtroom, the lawyer is on his own. There are indeed formulas, I mean you just laid out the basic formula a plumber follows in your post, its the process of elimination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, action said: most scientists never discover a mathematical model in their entire life. If you had quoted my entire sentence you would have seen I was talking about physicists. But even most physicists don't get to develop new formulas and models on their own. 5 minutes ago, action said: you used to be a scientist, @SoulMonster can you give us an example of one mathematical model you developed, that is now used by others? I wasn't a physicist. 3 minutes ago, action said: my son, when building new lego buildings, probably has more problem-solving processes going on in his mind, than a scientist applying formulas to a problem But again, "applying formulas to a problem" is not what science is about. 6 minutes ago, Dazey said: You're talking bollocks! Is he ever not talking bollocks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, action said: my son, when building new lego buildings, probably has more problem-solving processes going on in his mind, than a scientist applying formulas to a problem You're talking utter utter bollocks. A formula is simply one of a vast number of tools at our disposal. How does a plumber know what type of pipe to use? What materials and line diameter are required for the desired flow rates and head pressure? How do you select the right size of circulation pump for a hot water central heating system? How do you know what size of radiator to use in a given room to achieve the required heating rate? What surface area do you need? How to you determine the rate of heat transfer required based on an energy balance of heat input and output in the surrounding system? 5 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: Is he ever not talking bollocks? As a glorified plumber myself it's funny to see somebody who hasn't a fucking clue what he's talking about spewing the usual gibberish in a field I actually know something about. Edited August 25, 2020 by Dazey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dazey said: You're talking utter utter bollocks. A formula is simply one of a vast number of tools at our disposal. How does a plumber know what type of pipe to use? What materials are required for the desired flow rates and head pressure? How do you select the right size of circulation pump for a hot water central heating system? How do you know what size of radiator to use in a given room to achieve the required heating rate? What surface area do you need? How to you determine the rate of heat transfer required based on an energy balance of heat input and output in the surrounding system? Mate, you have over-complicated the average plumbers job immensely here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted August 25, 2020 Author Share Posted August 25, 2020 a scientist is not defined by the mathematical models he "discovers". If that was the case, there wouldn't be many scientists: most of them don't find such a model in all their lives, but they're looking. An archaeologist, is not defined by the treasures he finds. He is constantly looking, and at that moment he becomes an archaeologist. He may find gold, he may not. That's just accessory. Now then, why do I think a plumber needs to think more than a scientist, and to put it differently: has more benefit, more use? A plumber, finds treasure every time he completes a task. He has come to this completion by applying his knowledge, but more importantly: he creatively uses his knowledge to the best possible outcome, weighing one option against another. this is what separates the good plumbers with the bad ones: their problem solving capabilities in an efficient way. That plumber that features in those porn movies that Diesel was talking about, will probably get his "reward" because he was a good problem solver. Perhaps, this is why scientists have a hard time getting laid? Women instinctively favor men who can actually solve urgent problems, rather than think about them all the time without coming to a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, Len Cnut said: Mate, you have over-complicated the average plumbers job immensely here Well I did say glorified. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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