Len Cnut Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 https://www.trailtimes.ca/opinion/the-third-photograph-of-robert-johnson/ Either that or Danny Welbeck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lame ass security Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Very cool. I didn't realize he was a member of the 27 club, possibly the founding member. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Thats insane an 80+ year old picture can resurface. Very cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibsonfender2323 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 He is the father of Blues and we still barley know shit about him Love that! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
action Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 10 hours ago, ZoSoRose said: Thats insane an 80+ year old picture can resurface. Very cool I had an 114 year old picture resurface, of my great-great granddad. the only owner of this picture would have died a little time later, if I had not done the effort to call around here and there. robert johnson is a great example of how history research can be very rewarding and intriguing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted May 30, 2020 Author Share Posted May 30, 2020 I wouldn't get all too excited, they often come up with these motherfuckers that turn out to be dud or at least disputed. This looks pretty mccoy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoSoRose Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 5 hours ago, action said: I had an 114 year old picture resurface, of my great-great granddad. the only owner of this picture would have died a little time later, if I had not done the effort to call around here and there. robert johnson is a great example of how history research can be very rewarding and intriguing That is amazing! 5 hours ago, Len Cnut said: I wouldn't get all too excited, they often come up with these motherfuckers that turn out to be dud or at least disputed. This looks pretty mccoy though. It comes from his step sister so that makes it more credible Id think 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 All blues is highly derivative really, they all took from each other, there ain't a blues song out there of the old stuff that you can't find a precedent for. The Zimmerman story if oft told, his daughter if I'm not mistaken. He owes as much to Son House and Charley Patton too. Intellectual property weren't something anyone gave a shit about in them days, it weren't really a concept until their was money in music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) The blues is like memories or Chinese whispers - ultimately it is music from the religious recitals from the cotton fields. There isn't that same emphasis on composition and ownership as you see with say Tin Pan Alley, Motown and The Beatles and so forth. It wasn't as if there was any money - serious money - to be made in the blues; the Stones found Muddy Waters painting and decorating the Chess studios when they visited in 1964. But this isn't just confined to the blues really. Even today we re-discover music by obscure Italian composers that chronologically preceded Handel (Händel); it transpires that Handel, who spent a lot of time in Italy learning his craft, ripped-off a lot of music and sold it to the dopey Brits as opera/oratorios haha. No recorded music and publishing was not so regimented and prolific as now in those days so you could get away with it. PS In NO WAY is this a defence of the abomination called Led Zeppelin. I thought that I better point that out before somebody obtained the wrong idea. Edited June 10, 2020 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ratbrain said: Yes bro, old time cut n paste in many instances. Also see Robert Lockwood for info on Robert Johnsons "Lost songs" In the post Buddy Holly/The Beatles world this shit became important, originality and authorship...but I'm not sure that it should be. This sort of music was never considered high art before that and, as such, not subject to such scrutiny, it was just music that people played to have a good time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, Ratbrain said: That is a fuckin' stretch man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 Look, as someone of muslim background I'd love nothing more than to somehow associate myself with the blues in some heavily convoluted way but I can't see it man. Firstly, is there any evidence of those old time slaves writing arabic? Secondly, muslims really revere things like the call to prayer, the last thing on earth they'd be doing is making music out of it, it isn't really singing so much as a call or recitation, though I suppose you could argue their early blues singing was a type of call too. But also, why make a song to the call to prayer melody, why not just do the call to prayer? And also, the idea that they carried on Islamic traditions despite slave masters imposing Christianity on them sounds like bullshit too. I mean if that were true how would an organisation like The Nation of Islam be able to spread a distorted version of Islam like it did in the 1930s without being found out immediately? One of the chief things that Malcolm X said in response to the Saudi prince or king I forget which, when they pulled him up on their anger over the NOI distorting their religion is that, in some part, it was due to their not propagating their religion properly, despite how huge it was (and still is) there was very little proper knowledge about it in the America of that day, particularly around the black community. There are examples of certain slave groups that maintained their old African culture, though it certainly wasn't Islamic. They called em Geechees or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 Hey, maybe its true, I'm certainly not an authority or anything, just saying, overall it sounds a bit thin. The theory I mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted June 10, 2020 Author Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Ratbrain said: Listen to the two 2.55 to 6.11 I'll get to the islamic influence on flamenco after this. I know the Islamic call to prayer fella, I can recite it. There is a resemblence in meter there but thats about all. But like I say, I might be wrong, maybe you're right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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