Swampfox Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 6 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said: To a point. But to be fair, he's not calling for Goodyear to be banned from anything, he's trying to get people to boycott. I'm going with BF Goodrich instead of Good Year for my new truck tires this fall. I just wouldn't feel welcome at Good Year anymore 😥 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 6 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said: To a point. But to be fair, he's not calling for Goodyear to be banned from anything, he's trying to get people to boycott. Wouldn’t a boycott result in the same result as a ban? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basic_GnR_Fan Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 49 minutes ago, downzy said: Wouldn’t a boycott result in the same result as a ban? Based on how successful voluntary boycotts are (meaning they generally aren't), no way. Goodyear will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said: Based on how successful voluntary boycotts are (meaning they generally aren't), no way. Goodyear will be fine. Agreed, but the intention is the same whether he calls for a ban or boycott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graeme Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Swampfox said: I'm going with BF Goodrich instead of Good Year for my new truck tires this fall. I just wouldn't feel welcome at Good Year anymore 😥 Are you actually seriously going to change tyre provider because Trump is annoyed at them for banning hats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 58 minutes ago, Graeme said: Are you actually seriously going to change tyre provider because Trump is annoyed at them for banning hats? You do know who you're talking to, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Shouldn't his most gullible and easily-persuaded fans be all dead now from drinking bleach? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 17 hours ago, Len Cnut said: I agree with a lot of what you say but at the same time though the fringe ideas shouldn't be above satirizing. I agree wholeheartedly. Humour is always welcome as long as it is genuine. But I was more thinking about people who seriously point to these fringe things to undermine the movement. Like when people point to a small minority vandalizing buildings and statues and use this to reject the entire BLM movement. Or when people say that there isn't institutional racism because it is laughable that orchestras should be racially diverse. And so on. It's straw man and red herrings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) Far be it from something ''facetious'' we can flippantly dismiss, cancel culture is in reality a deeply disturbing assault by woke on our liberties and freedoms. Scotland for instance, hitherto a centre of Europe's intellectual Enlightenment and comedy, has just passed a ''hate speech'' bill with disturbingly totalitarian potents: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-53526843. Academics, professors and journalists have found themselves no-platformed - this happened to Julia Hartley-Brewer: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48482902 - and had their careers terminated for possessing mores not conforming to woke ideology - we witness the furor involving JK Rowling. Further reading, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/right-wing-academics-feel-forced-hide-views-universities/ Edited August 20, 2020 by DieselDaisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 4 hours ago, Graeme said: Are you actually seriously going to change tyre provider because Trump is annoyed at them for banning hats? You should check this thread more often. He is Trump's number one fan. But he is harmless. And we can always have a good laugh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Cnut Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, soon said: Oh, I stand corrected on that one word Clash nerd-alert! Its interesting to think about a neighbourhood going from white working class, to black (working class?) to an attempt at white wash gentrification. My hood is actually very similar in that regard. Im glad the attempts are failing, maybe theyve heard the tune? I hope to visit one day and will be sure to apply the NOI/3% principle of only giving money into the black economy. Im sure people could get on there. But its men like you and I who can even be seen to be at home in such places. Even in a suit. And when I wrote the line about 'with a bow in my hair' I was thinking about an underground defence formation of queer militants that Ive crossed paths with. Im pretty sure they could lock down Brixton in a day if they wanted to. Between white riot and what you've told me about the black demographic when Simonon wrote Brixton, theres something there about the specific way the Clash saw race and class. One that might get 'cancelled (ugh, this subject! )' today. The nuance of being inspired by blacks to riot, but to then take on the responsibilities of class war from your own ethnic group is WAY more than todays discourse would be willing or able to sort through. Or maybe Im taking nonsense, I defer to your nerdom on all things Clash. I dunno, its not an easy task, even from the nerdiest of nerds, to correctly ascertain the meaning behind a song. Brixton has always suffered from a heavy police presence. That whole kind of area. Its famous for riots in the 70s and 80s, one of which was the reason for The Clash writing White Riot. The Clash are a difficult thing to pin down. I mean, what are they? Their forays into reggae are loved by many but thought of as pretty naff by others, not least by John Lydon, a huge fan of reggae and someone thats very much against that sort of appropriation. I like em personally, I think they have a charm to them, they are not authentic and they don't try to be authentic, they are a bunch of west/south London whiteboys doing a west/south London whiteboy take on reggae, its not like UB40 where they try to sound 'real'. And this same sort of thinking applies to their class politics, which a lot of people got behind and a lot of people thought was naff. The bordered on some pretty extreme left radical affiliations at the time, from the Italian Brigade Rosse, their support for the Sandinistas, their apparent support for Palestine, it was touchy ground and it didn't do them a lot of favours. Suffice to say I think they talked about stuff that needed talking about, made you (or me anyway) think about things I perhaps ordinarily wouldn't've. And they put their money where their mouth was too, they basically made zero money their entire career because they had to subsidize the releases of double and triple albums that they wanted kept down to minimal price for their fans out of their record advances and royalties. But were they really revolutionaries? Is pop music really the forum for revolution, when its all said and done? I suppose it can be, of a sort...but I think its fair to be suspicious of bands that, for the price of an album, promise a brave new world. And thats what is being sold isn't it, with notions of revolution etc. Even after The Clash broke up and Strummer was into stuff like 'Rock Against the Rich', driving around in a double decker bus preaching class war...then going home to his house in Holland Park (one of the wealthiest areas of London). Remember I adore The Clash and Strummer but these are things that are very difficult to ignore. I guess they were just a product of their envoirnment and, musically (which is the only way that really matters when it comes to a band), they were always a reflection of the myriad of different sounds that surrounded them, they were creatively hungry and tried, through their music, despite their numerous inconsistencies, to send a message that spoke to the idea of a world where there was more class equality. Some of your Canadian lot were fucking fierce in that regard too, the extreme left type stuff I mean, speaking about punk bands here. Gerry Useless from The Subhumans, he was a member of that terrorist group 'Direct Action', I'm sure you've heard about this, The Vacouver 5, they were urban guerillas who bombed some nuclear missile launcher thingies facility, they did like an actual bombing campaign in Canada in the 80s, scary stuff. If you're looking for punks who really 'mean it maaaan' you need look no further than your own back garden. They bombed that missile place, a bunch of porno places (feminist reasons), a hydro-electric plant (ecological reasons). I got into Canadian punk through the reccomendations of a poster around here, really cool guy and there's like a wealth of fuckin' quality bands out of there and bands that like, you could argue there was a lot more consistency to a point of view of a lifestyle or a culture than you'll find in your Clashes or your Sex Pistolses, despite my love for the latter. Edited August 20, 2020 by Len Cnut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampfox Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 hours ago, Padme said: You should check this thread more often. He is Trump's number one fan. But he is harmless. And we can always have a good laugh I'll be laughing November 4th. Save the date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 18 minutes ago, Swampfox said: I'll be laughing November 4th. Save the date. I save it. The jury is still out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 53 minutes ago, Swampfox said: I'll be laughing November 4th. Save the date. Farage thinks Trump will win. Love him or hate him, he was correct about Brexit and he exposed the migrant-dinghy crisis before anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Farage thinks Trump will win. Love him or hate him, he was correct about Brexit and he exposed the migrant-dinghy crisis before anyone. "crisis" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 #firethom is trending. He used the f word (f@g) as an adjective to describe capitalists while on air broadcasting a baseball game (he didn't know the mic was on) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basic_GnR_Fan Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Dazey said: "crisis" Yeah it's totally not a crisis when millions of people are forced from their home because of a war inflamed by the western elite and then millions of people arrive overnight in new countries with totally different cultures. Just a normal, everyday thing... 44 minutes ago, Coma16 said: #firethom is trending. He used the f word (f@g) as an adjective to describe capitalists while on air broadcasting a baseball game (he didn't know the mic was on) I heard he said "one of the f*g capitals of the world." Was he talking about Kansas City (where the Reds were playing)? I didn't know KC had such a vibrant, gay scene lol. Edited August 20, 2020 by Basic_GnR_Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said: Yeah it's totally not a crisis when millions of people are forced from their home because of a war inflamed by the western elite and then millions of people arrive overnight in new countries with totally different cultures. Just a normal, everyday thing... I heard he said "one of the f*g capitals of the world." Was he talking about Kansas City (where the Reds were playing)? I didn't know KC had such a vibrant, gay scene lol. No idea but he should have known better and I think he's done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazey Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said: Yeah it's totally not a crisis when millions of people are forced from their home because of a war inflamed by the western elite and then millions of people arrive overnight in new countries with totally different cultures. Just a normal, everyday thing... I think you misunderstand me. What Diesel is trying to say is that there is a crisis in the UK because a few hundred people a month turn up in rubber dinghys in Dover when the French take in many times the number of refugees that the UK does. Farage and co would have you believe that we are being overrun by people just after a free house and a life on government benefits and that none of them are refugees. I'm basically agreeing with you on this. Edited August 20, 2020 by Dazey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basic_GnR_Fan Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dazey said: I think you misunderstand me. What Diesel is trying to say is that there is a crisis in the UK because a few hundred people a month turn up in rubber dinghys in Dover when the French take in many times the number of refugees that the UK does. Farage and co would have you believe that we are being overrun by people just after a free house and a life on government benefits and that none of them are refugees. I'm basically agreeing with you on this. Well ok, but I still say the whole situation from beginning (the civil war that got inflamed) to the end (migration of millions of people throughout Europe) is a tragic crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said: Well ok, but I still say the whole situation from beginning (the civil war that got inflamed) to the end (migration of millions of people throughout Europe) is a tragic crisis. And I would think Dazey would still say he basically agrees with you on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basic_GnR_Fan Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, Dazey said: I think you misunderstand me. What Diesel is trying to say is that there is a crisis in the UK because a few hundred people a month turn up in rubber dinghys in Dover when the French take in many times the number of refugees that the UK does. Farage and co would have you believe that we are being overrun by people just after a free house and a life on government benefits and that none of them are refugees. I'm basically agreeing with you on this. Well to be fair the people still coming on boats probably aren't the same ones from Syria which is where the term refugee crisis was entering the lexicon. The people coming before and after that point were/are probably coming for economic reasons. So economic migrants I guess would be the term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Dazey said: "crisis" Some young kid's body was washed up on the coast of France yesterday? No problem whatsoever with labeling it a crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said: Some young kid's body was washed up on the coast of France yesterday? No problem whatsoever with labeling it a crisis. Oh, you care about the immigrants. You humanitarian you. You should petition to have them brought over by boats or planes, yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselDaisy Posted August 20, 2020 Share Posted August 20, 2020 Just now, SoulMonster said: Oh, you care about the immigrants. You humanitarian you. You should petition to have them brought over by boats or planes, yes? I didn't know you and Dazey support people traffickers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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