"Cancel Culture" Opinions?

[Len Cnut]

Just bought a series of Only Fools and Horses off of amazon video.  They’ve cut out the word ‘paki’.  The entire sentence in fact.

[DieselDaisy]

13 minutes ago, Len Cnut said:

Just bought a series of Only Fools and Horses off of amazon video.  They’ve cut out the word ‘paki’.  The entire sentence in fact.

Can you not get the uncut thing off torrents (which I would have done anyway because I like free stuff)? 

[Len Cnut]

4 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Can you not get the uncut thing off torrents (which I would have done anyway because I like free stuff)? 

Yeah I can but I wanted to watch it on the telly and it was only 3.99 for the whole series.  I thought this PC shit was a joke but this is getting stupid.  First time I noticed was when they cut the word ‘gyppos’ out of Bottom.  Probably pathetic to most people but I know these old sitcoms almost by heart so I noticed odd shit.

Edited August 31, 2020 by Len Cnut

[DieselDaisy]

1 minute ago, Len Cnut said:

Yeah I can but I wanted to watch it on the telly and it was only 3.99 for the whole series.  I thought this PC shit was a joke but this is getting stupid.  First time I noticed was when they cut the word ‘gyppos’ out of Bottom.  Probably pathetic to most people but I know these old sitcoms almost by heart so I noticed odd shit.

Have a read of this; it lists all the cuts made,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Only_Fools_and_Horses_home_video_releases

Seems the cuts were made by the BBC for the dvd releases.

Quote

The large majority of these [edits] were truly awful, with little, or in most cases no, consideration whatsoever given to story coherence or gags. Many were so bad and poorly executed that they really had to be seen to be believed. Still many more were completely baffling. For example, Del Boy saying "Monchengladbach" to Anna in the episode "From Prussia with Love" had been removed – our only conclusion being that some bright spark at the BBC, unsure of what this actually means, but gripped by the sheer terror of possibly, perhaps, just maybe offending somebody, decided it best to be safe than sorry. We found the BBC’s attitude towards these edits, and the show in general, to be careless, lazy and indifferent. It was made perfectly clear to us that the BBC has no concern whatsoever for quality and precision; only a bizarre obsession with whether or not they may be offending certain people. Sadly, I expect that the fact that they are, in taking this approach, actually offending a lot of people, has never even crossed their minds. When Dad first envisioned and wrote Only Fools, it was his intention to explore and express the vibrant, multicultural face of (what was then) modern London. Why the BBC has such a problem with this and is so afraid of it that it resorts to censorship is beyond me. All I do know is that they are extremely determined to create problems where there aren’t any.[citation needed]

- John Sullivan's son.

I actually didn't know they'd cut Only Fools!

[soon]

Movies being edited for content by those presenting them is a new phenomena. Completely different then how thats always been the case on cable tv. We should panic! Also, BBC should have porn, if they werent so PC - they already have the perfect name for pornographers.

We should have a planned economy so that we can ensure that all companies obey our will. Theres to be no free will in the market place. The world has gone mad!

If they werent so PC we'd all have what we want by now, "P@ki Auntie sucks BBC pt1"

[action]

20 minutes ago, DieselDaisy said:

Have a read of this; it lists all the cuts made,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Only_Fools_and_Horses_home_video_releases

Seems the cuts were made by the BBC for the dvd releases.

- John Sullivan's son.

I actually didn't know they'd cut Only Fools!

count on the BBC to make all of us better people, every day. even the children. especially the children.

 

[Towelie]

3 minutes ago, action said:

count on the BBC to make all of us better people, every day. even the children. especially the children.

 

My dad met Jimmy Savile once and swore blind he was a top bloke.

It wasn't till the 153rd victim came out of the woodwork that he conceded that maybe he wasn't the best judge of character.

[DieselDaisy]

Somewhat pertinent to discussion,

33 minutes ago, Towelie said:

My dad met Jimmy Savile once and swore blind he was a top bloke.

It wasn't till the 153rd victim came out of the woodwork that he conceded that maybe he wasn't the best judge of character.

I was quite defensive of Rolf. I was a child of the '80s and he learnt me to draw cartoons!

[action]

7 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

Somewhat pertinent to discussion,

I was quite defensive of Rolf. I was a child of the '80s and he learnt me to draw cartoons!

our national television is generally seen as left wing too.

what is it, with official western media being leftist, while governments are getting more and more right wing?

In fact, I can't recall any national media that is viewed as particularily right.

To make the decision to bring leftist nonsense to the masses; that's no light decision. What mysterious forces are at work her, even against most governments?

litterally no one in their right mind takes the media serious anymore

[SoulMonster]

@DieselDaisy, @action Did you actually understand that none of the studies I posted conclude that "christians are stupid"? That theists tend to have lower IQ than atheists doesn't mean that they are "stupid". Let's say that atheists have an IQ of 100 on average, that would result in christians having an average IQ of 94. That's not stupid, not according to old definitions at least where you would be done to IQs of 70 and below to be an "idiot" (yes, it was defined like that). So what we are looking at here is a fairly small, albeit significant, difference in IQ levels. Of course, if atheists have an average IQ of 75 then christians would end up on 69 on average and indeed, be in the stupid range. But that's not the case.

So, christians aren't stupid.

Please also note that we are talking about averages here. IQ varies a lot, also within groups like christians. Some of the most brilliant people are christians. So being a christian doesn't mean you have to be less intelligent than your average atheist. It just makes it more likely. This variance in IQ within groups mean that we can never generalize over anyone's intelligence. You simply can't take for granted that a random christian will be sligthly less smart than your average atheist. The variance is too high to make generalizations. And isn't that nice? It prevents us from making silly stereotyping and being prejudiced. Only when we calculate the average from larger groups of christians and atheists will we see the difference. 

So, christians aren't stupid.

I also firmly believe (hey @action, here is an opinion for you) that it takes more intelligence to break out from a norm. So if you are in a vastly christian society, it requires a certain amount of intelligence to question what everyone else believes and end up as an atheist. And similarly, if you live in a vastly atheist society it requires a certain amount of intelligence to question the status quo of your situation. In other words, these dissidents of thought, regardless of whether they actually end up with a right conclusion, tend to have higher IQ than the rest of the bleating flock. So in a vastly christian society, atheists will, on the basis of just questioning what everyone else thinks, have a slightly higher IQ, and vice versa. This can partly explain why when studying these things in USA, atheists tend to have higher IQ. 

So, christians aren't stupid.

Lastly, and connected to the above, anyone who has a conscious relationship with their world-view, one in which they challenge themselves and their beliefs, ponder what they think, etc, tend to be more intelligent than those who don't. Sheep aren't smart. This explain the large variance. But all of this doesn't mean you necessarily end up with the right conclusion (there could be emotional, historical, societal reasons for that).

So in short, christians as a group aren't stupid. Some christians are extremely intelligent. Most are just normally intelligent. Some are stupid. And it is the same case with atheists. But when you look at large groups of christians and atheists, christians have on average a slightly lower IQ. This could only to a very small degree help explain why these people believe in gods, but there has to be many other reasons, too.

[action]

1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

@DieselDaisy, @action Did you actually understand that none of the studies I posted conclude that "christians are stupid"? That theists tend to have lower IQ than atheists doesn't mean that they are "stupid". Let's say that atheists have an IQ of 100 on average, that would result in christians having an average IQ of 94. That's not stupid, not according to old definitions at least where you would be done to IQs of 70 and below to be an "idiot" (yes, it was defined like that). So what we are looking at here is a fairly small, albeit significant, difference in IQ levels. Of course, if atheists have an average IQ of 75 then christians would end up on 69 on average and indeed, be in the stupid range. But that's not the case.

So, christians aren't stupid.

Please also note that we are talking about averages here. IQ varies a lot, also within groups like christians. Some of the most brilliant people are christians. So being a christian doesn't mean you have to be less intelligent than your average atheist. It just makes it more likely. This variance in IQ within groups mean that we can never generalize over anyone's intelligence. You simply can't take for granted that a random christian will be sligthly less smart than your average atheist. The variance is too high to make generalizations. And isn't that nice? It prevents us from making silly stereotyping and being prejudiced. Only when we calculate the average from larger groups of christians and atheists will we see the difference. 

So, christians aren't stupid.

I also firmly believe (hey @action, here is an opinion for you) that it takes more intelligence to break out from a norm. So if you are in a vastly christian society, it requires a certain amount of intelligence to question what everyone else believes and end up as an atheist. And similarly, if you live in a vastly atheist society it requires a certain amount of intelligence to question the status quo of your situation. In other words, these dissidents of thought, regardless of whether they actually end up with a right conclusion, tend to have higher IQ than the rest of the bleating flock. So in a vastly christian society, atheists will, on the basis of just questioning what everyone else thinks, have a slightly higher IQ, and vice versa. This can partly explain why when studying these things in USA, atheists tend to have higher IQ. 

So, christians aren't stupid.

Lastly, and connected to the above, anyone who has a conscious relationship with their world-view, one in which they challenge themselves and their beliefs, ponder what they think, etc, tend to be more intelligent than those who don't. Sheep aren't smart. This explain the large variance. But all of this doesn't mean you necessarily end up with the right conclusion (there could be emotional, historical, societal reasons for that).

So in short, christians as a group aren't stupid. Some christians are extremely intelligent. Most are just normally intelligent. Some are stupid. And it is the same case with atheists. But when you look at large groups of christians and atheists, christians have on average a slightly lower IQ. This could only to a very small degree help explain why these people believe in gods, but there has to be many other reasons, too.

first off, wall of text again. 

second, you are not so nuanced in the religion thread, where you mostly jump in and mock christianity and christians. You have long forfeit my attention as a result. Even as a messenger of studies, I don't view you as the right person to comment them to me given your obvious bias against christians.

and third, you put many things as fact here, but I maintain that the "studies" in question are ridiculous. you can't measure religiosity

[DieselDaisy]

1 hour ago, action said:

our national television is generally seen as left wing too.

what is it, with official western media being leftist, while governments are getting more and more right wing?

In fact, I can't recall any national media that is viewed as particularily right.

To make the decision to bring leftist nonsense to the masses; that's no light decision. What mysterious forces are at work her, even against most governments?

litterally no one in their right mind takes the media serious anymore

George Soros.

[Dazey]

10 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

First time I noticed was when they cut the word ‘gyppos’ out of Bottom.  Probably pathetic to most people but I know these old sitcoms almost by heart so I noticed odd shit.

I noticed the gyppos one too. My 9 year old self knows it off by heart.  

[action]

2 hours ago, DieselDaisy said:

George Soros.

kind of like a modern day Rasputin in many ways

[Dazey]

1 hour ago, action said:

kind of like a modern day Rasputin in many ways

That's more like this guy.

[action]

I'm by no means political correct, but I've always found this album cover a bit fishy. brown sleeve, weird logo in a sphere, stretched arms....

Edited September 1, 2020 by action

[soon]

3 hours ago, action said:

I'm by no means political correct, but I've always found this album cover a bit fishy. brown sleeve, weird logo in a sphere, stretched arms....

Like, you figure it might be alluding to a nazi salute?

Reminds me of when an American nazi said “hail victory” as he raised his glass, and then his audience responded with some nazi salutes.

[soon]

I was watching right wing YouTube on my tv when a new acquaintance came by. I completely forgot what was on and paid it no mind while chatting with them. Then they left and I hear the YT dude was saying the most vile shit!!

Hope i dont get cancelled. 

[Graeme]

On 31/08/2020 at 10:38 PM, DieselDaisy said:

Somewhat pertinent to discussion,

I can't wait for Mock the Weak. 

[Len Cnut]

On 31/08/2020 at 10:38 PM, DieselDaisy said:

Somewhat pertinent to discussion,

 

British comedy has always been left wing though, even the old stuff.  Johnny Speight (who wrote Til Death Us Do Part) was a lifelong socialist, Steptoe and Son is extremely socialist in nature, as was The Likely Lads, Marks & Gran who wrote The New Statesman etc.  Its an old stereotype isn't it, that the BBC are leftists.  Its all champagne socialist bollocks though and, to be fair to some of the earlier comedies, they highlighted that clearly in their comedy, it was leftist in the sense of supportive of the left as it existed in their day, there's that famous episode of Steptoe where Harold tries to run for local Labour council but they basically don't want him cuz he's a Ragmans son and, with the advent of Harold Wilson they were trying to get away from the cloth cap and hobnail boot image.  Speight, in his writing, as much as he highlighted the stupidity of right wingery, also picked the socialism of the day apart. 

Overall though, I think comedy should be organic.  Natural.  I don't think there should be like...movements trying to enforce balance, that kind of thing just seems a bit...shite.  Whatever the best writers and comedians come up with, thats the shit that should be put out, politics shouldn't come into the desicion about whether or not a particular show deserves an airing or not.  Lets face it, telly is aimed at the working classes anyway so its always going to cater to what certain people think the working classes want to see, they twigged this in the early 60s and that didn't change until the mid 70s when they started trying to cater to the middle classes and put out a load of shit like The Good Life. 

There are those actually, who now argue that telly is more aimed to the middle classes and has been for decades.  Home improvement shows, the great british bake off, all fuckin' aspirations caridgan and slacks shite.  Comedy is just that rare thing where you can get away with speaking some sort of truth and the people don't notice cuz they're too busy laughing.  It really is the beacon of free speech in the modern popular culture as far as I see it.  But this idea that comedy is somehow now more left wing and wasn't before is a load of shite. 

Edited September 2, 2020 by Len Cnut

[Dazey]

14 hours ago, Graeme said:

I can't wait for Mock the Weak. 

I’ve been laughing at this all day.  

[DieselDaisy]

3 hours ago, Len Cnut said:

British comedy has always been left wing though, even the old stuff.  Johnny Speight (who wrote Til Death Us Do Part) was a lifelong socialist, Steptoe and Son is extremely socialist in nature, as was The Likely Lads, Marks & Gran who wrote The New Statesman etc.  Its an old stereotype isn't it, that the BBC are leftists.  Its all champagne socialist bollocks though and, to be fair to some of the earlier comedies, they highlighted that clearly in their comedy, it was leftist in the sense of supportive of the left as it existed in their day, there's that famous episode of Steptoe where Harold tries to run for local Labour council but they basically don't want him cuz he's a Ragmans son and, with the advent of Harold Wilson they were trying to get away from the cloth cap and hobnail boot image.  Speight, in his writing, as much as he highlighted the stupidity of right wingery, also picked the socialism of the day apart. 

Overall though, I think comedy should be organic.  Natural.  I don't think there should be like...movements trying to enforce balance, that kind of thing just seems a bit...shite.  Whatever the best writers and comedians come up with, thats the shit that should be put out, politics shouldn't come into the desicion about whether or not a particular show deserves an airing or not.  Lets face it, telly is aimed at the working classes anyway so its always going to cater to what certain people think the working classes want to see, they twigged this in the early 60s and that didn't change until the mid 70s when they started trying to cater to the middle classes and put out a load of shit like The Good Life. 

There are those actually, who now argue that telly is more aimed to the middle classes and has been for decades.  Home improvement shows, the great british bake off, all fuckin' aspirations caridgan and slacks shite.  Comedy is just that rare thing where you can get away with speaking some sort of truth and the people don't notice cuz they're too busy laughing.  It really is the beacon of free speech in the modern popular culture as far as I see it.  But this idea that comedy is somehow now more left wing and wasn't before is a load of shite. 

I think this belief transpires because the current comedians all share the same metropolitan ideology.

[Ace Nova]

 

 

[Ace Nova]

Cancel Maths? 

 

[SoulMonster]

7 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Cancel Maths? 

No, just media who loves kooks.