Jw224 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) I don't think it is really a thing. It's usually just people in the public eye doing or saying shitty things and then people/companies reacting in the way they see fit. People are free to be unhappy about how others react but it doesn't really mean that there is some culture that likes to ruin people. Like previously stated in this thread a lot of these people who constantly put their foot in their mouths/do awful things are still making a living just fine. It may be harder nowadays to get away with being shitty but I don't really think that's a bad thing. There are certainly examples of companies going out of their way to change things that nobody has complained about in order to please people that they feel the need to appease, but that is purely on those companies, people also usually point this out when it happens as well. Nothing has really changed tbh, it's just that social media makes things more prominent. Edited July 12, 2021 by Jw224 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homefuck Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 "Cosmic skeptic" offers a rational view on cancel culture in an oxford union debate (available on his youtube channel). (I'm too lazy to embed a link) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spunko12345 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 On 6/23/2021 at 1:34 PM, downzy said: Yeah, I was just curious what is considered "the left" or "the right" in these contexts. I'm less inclined to attribute a movement towards whatever noise there is on twitter since it doesn't take that many people (in the grand scheme of things) to get something to trend. I'm not really sure what the required threshold to apply a collective call to action against one partisan tribe. Maybe twitter is enough. But for me, that feels a little less organized and real than when large media companies and media personalities use their platforms to engage in this kind of rhetoric. Regardless of how one feels about cancel culture, I think it's a bit strange seeing people who make money belittling cancel culture can easily be culprits when criticizing someone from the other side of the partisan divide. 100% also what people see on Twitter is what they choose to see/follow so completely impossible to use it to gauge which direction the narrative is swinging because it's different for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Homefuck Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, downzy said: Republicans are always talking about that they're against all restrictions of freedom. Why all the censorship, isn't it a extreme restriction on the freedom for people to read or write about whatever they want, whenever they want to? Hypocrites. I just want to say in passing that I don't consider myself as a democrat. Oh, and also by the way on the rest of the worlds scale of politics, both the democrats and republicans are right wing-parties. Just one more so than another, the "socialist-stamp" gets passed around so much, it seems like few people actually has the slightest grasp of political ideology. End of rant, (sorry for OT- and as you propably know, downzy it wasn't in the slightest directed to you). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 23 hours ago, Homefuck said: Republicans are always talking about that they're against all restrictions of freedom. Why all the censorship, isn't it a extreme restriction on the freedom for people to read or write about whatever they want, whenever they want to? Hypocrites. I guess my point in this entire thread is to underscore how "cancel culture" isn't limited to one group or partisanship. Cancel culture has been around in one form or another for as long as human beings have been around. It's a part of the give and take process of what some in society find offensive, intolerable, or symbolic of its values. What I find interesting is how cancel culture plays out within partisanship. Whereas censorship efforts amongst the left are generally motivated by a desire to reduce harm among historically marginalized groups, I find it more often the case with the conservative right to invoke censorship to increase ignorance and a desire to preserve perceived "common" sentiment. While I don't always agree with every instance of cancel culture by the left (with Dave Chappell being the most recent example), I generally understand or sympathize with the why of their efforts (again, even if at times they miss their mark or are a little too heavy-handed with punishment). I don't fault those who wish to make society a little more tolerant, a little less inconsiderate, and generally a more respectful society. Again, I think this attitude can take things way too far, but their intentions are something I can recognize and respect for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 We, the party that campaigns on ending cancel culture, would like the following terms canceled: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Towelie Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Makes me laugh how Oprah tried to cancel MJ in 2019 when that crock of shit mockumentary Leaving Neverland aired. 2 years later, he has a Broadway tribute show that is sold out nightly, looking very possible that it might win some Tony's. His album Number Ones has become the longest running album on the UK chart by a solo artist having spent over 10yrs in the top 75, showing no signs of leaving any time soon. You can't cancel greatness. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 33 minutes ago, Towelie said: Makes me laugh how Oprah tried to cancel MJ in 2019 when that crock of shit mockumentary Leaving Neverland aired. 2 years later, he has a Broadway tribute show that is sold out nightly, looking very possible that it might win some Tony's. His album Number Ones has become the longest running album on the UK chart by a solo artist having spent over 10yrs in the top 75, showing no signs of leaving any time soon. You can't cancel greatness. ....or innocence. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axls_Moustache_Rules Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Kids described his penis in detail, he was a nonce ffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted January 19, 2022 Author Share Posted January 19, 2022 25 minutes ago, Axls_Moustache_Rules said: Kids described his penis in detail, he was a nonce ffs. Not even remotely true. If @Toweliewants to re-state some facts for you, cool, but I'm not going to bother. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 32 minutes ago, RussTCB said: Not even remotely true. If @Toweliewants to re-state some facts for you, cool, but I'm not going to bother. I don't have the energy for it. Never happened, but these folks don't trade in facts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 MJ was Catholic priest-level pedophile, but whether he did anything illegal is hard to say. I suppose that comes down to what you choose to do believe. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axls_Moustache_Rules Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Slept in same bed as kids. Just a reminder. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homefuck Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 Cancel culture= angry mob, waving pitchforks and torches, sentencing People guilty of "immoral" or illegal acts to become persona non grata. Nobody who believes in peoples innocence before proven guilt and that the punishment should fit the crime, i.e. be proportional, could support this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Axls_Moustache_Rules said: Slept in same bed as kids. Just a reminder. Exactly like your last post, untrue. Edited January 20, 2022 by RussTCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share Posted January 20, 2022 Side note- I could update the thread about 5 times a day with things the left have faux outrage about, but that wasn't even remotely the point of starting the thread. The point of the thread was to have a discussion about the the idea of cancel culture. It wasn't meant to have another space to divide everyone with "look how wrong the left looks!" or "look how wrong the right looks!" The world has enough division for divisions sake. I was more looking to understand what people's thoughts were on the matter as a whole. Oh, and the only reason I tacked on to what @Toweliesaid about MJ was because, as evidenced by the posts since, people have no idea what the facts are concerning him, yet they talk as if they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hudsonsaul Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Cancel culture has gone way to far. The roots of it are good, people calling out others who have gotten away with behaviour or acts that genuinely shouldn't have (or those continuing to repeat said acts). But it's gone way too far. All it takes is for anyone to say anything and before even proven said person is screwed over and tarnished. Even in the rare event the accuser is proven wrong, rarely are their follow ups and the accused continues to be tainted. Meanwhile you have ppl trawling through decade old tweets trying to find something contraversial to hack a tall poppy down. Ridiculous. I could list numerous examples of this. It worse than the mum groups hating on music, or retard adults trying to associate shit behaviour to excessive video games or whatever. That type of outlook never got addressed and has further spiraled to what cancel culture has become. Meanwhile, even if a musician I liked was proven to be an absolute piece of shit. It does take away the art they've done and I enjoyed, imo ppl should be able to separate the artist from art. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axls_Moustache_Rules Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, RussTCB said: Exactly like your last post, untrue. No its not? Lol The lengths fans will go 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share Posted January 20, 2022 9 minutes ago, Axls_Moustache_Rules said: No its not? Lol The lengths fans will go Believe what you want, out of context or not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axls_Moustache_Rules Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Just now, RussTCB said: Believe what you want, out of context or not He said it..?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Axls_Moustache_Rules said: Slept in same bed as kids. Just a reminder. What MJ is describing is a slumber party. Macauley Culkin said that MJs bedroom at Neverland was bigger than most people's houses and even had different floors. Besides, sleeping in the same bed as a child does not make somebody a child molester. Letting children stay in his room was obviously an insane idea and put him in an incredibly vulnerable position. But it's worth remembering that many, many children did this. If MJs intention was to sexually abuse these kids, why have 99% of them all maintained it was totally innocent? Crime experts always say that child molesters typically escalate their behaviour with time. MJ had unprecented access to as many children as he liked. If he was truly a paedophile, the number of abused children would likely be in the hundreds. As it stands, he has 5 accusers, one which went to trial and was found to be totally lacking in credibility and he was subsequently exonerated in a court of law. Two posthumous accusers who have been seeking literally hundreds of millions from his estate after proven financial hardships, with ever-evolving, inconsistent stories including being molested in a building that hadn't even been built at the time. Then you're left with Jordan Chandler, who hasn't came out to support a single "victim" since his allegations 29 years ago and got a restraining order against his father (the one who was caught on tape saying it was "irrelevant" to him whether his son was molested or not). Jordan refused to attend his fathers funeral and his college classmates have revealed that he defended MJ during his 2005 trial - something Jordan could've easily refuted if untrue. The last accuser is the son of a maid who was laughed out of court in 2005 claiming that he was tickled by MJ in a sexual way. His mum has made hundreds of thousands selling outlandish and sordid stories to The National Enquirer, but later admitted under cross examination at MJs 05 trial that she had made up many of the stories for the money. The jury didn't believe her or her son. Edited January 20, 2022 by Towelie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickS77 Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Axls_Moustache_Rules said: He said it..?! Yes. He also said that nothing sexual was going on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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