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2 hours ago, downzy said:

Right-wing media piling on and trying to cancel Billie Eilish because of something she did when she was 13 or 14.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/conservative-medias-attempt-to-cancel-billie-eilish?ref=home

The left already tried to cancel her last week, claiming that she was queer baiting with her latest video. 

Not sure why the right is trying now after the left already failed another cancelation attempt. 

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5 hours ago, RussTCB said:

The left already tried to cancel her last week, claiming that she was queer baiting with her latest video. 

Not sure why the right is trying now after the left already failed another cancelation attempt. 

When you say the left, who are you referring to?  Were there left or progressive news outlets that were calling for her to be canceled or people on twitter?

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6 hours ago, downzy said:

When you say the left, who are you referring to?  Were there left or progressive news outlets that were calling for her to be canceled or people on twitter?

From what I've seen, Twitter is where the left does most of its business lol. 

(I'm not being a smart ass, that's literally what I see) 

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59 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

From what I've seen, Twitter is where the left does most of its business lol. 

(I'm not being a smart ass, that's literally what I see) 

Yeah, I was just curious what is considered "the left" or "the right" in these contexts.

I'm less inclined to attribute a movement towards whatever noise there is on twitter since it doesn't take that many people (in the grand scheme of things) to get something to trend.  I'm not really sure what the required threshold to apply a collective call to action against one partisan tribe.  Maybe twitter is enough.  But for me, that feels a little less organized and real than when large media companies and media personalities use their platforms to engage in this kind of rhetoric. 

Regardless of how one feels about cancel culture, I think it's a bit strange seeing people who make money belittling cancel culture can easily be culprits when criticizing someone from the other side of the partisan divide.  

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Texan Republicans cancel book event held at museum because they disagree with the book (which looked at the Alamo’s connection to slavery):

https://www.kwtx.com/2021/07/02/book-event-examining-slaverys-role-battle-alamo-canceled-after-texas-gop-leaders-complained-authors-say/
 

I keep posting these stupid incidents to remind everyone that cancel culture is not something only practiced by the left. Anytime you hear Republican/conservative officials or talking heads rail against “cancel culture,” remember they’re only against it when they’re not doing it themselves. 

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3 hours ago, downzy said:

Texan Republicans cancel book event held at museum because they disagree with the book (which looked at the Alamo’s connection to slavery):

https://www.kwtx.com/2021/07/02/book-event-examining-slaverys-role-battle-alamo-canceled-after-texas-gop-leaders-complained-authors-say/
 

I keep posting these stupid incidents to remind everyone that cancel culture is not something only practiced by the left. Anytime you hear Republican/conservative officials or talking heads rail against “cancel culture,” remember they’re only against it when they’re not doing it themselves. 

In all honesty I don't understand. This so called cancel culture is nothing new! I mean we had a huge controversy in the late 80s with OIAM. And this is just one example.  What it used to be called politically correct. Now it is called cancel culture. It is the same shit with the same smell.  Why all of a sudden people are pulling their hair out?

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Pretty soon everything from the past will be forgotten or cancelled. I think it's so stupid. 

Shit happened in the world's past that sucks, but hopefully we can move on and realize the mistakes that were made and there have been many, and maybe learn from them. but to cancel them or forgot them is not right.

I don't see how cancelling is changing anything. it's like hiding your head in the sand. we can't change the past and since the world is still fucked up we haven't changed for the better either. Hence covid!

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11 minutes ago, Sosso said:

It's funny how the conservatives totally forgot their own "Cancel Culture" from the 60s and 70s. 

To be fair, it seems the right and left have very much switched sides on a lot of things over the past 30 years 

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25 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

To be fair, it seems the right and left have very much switched sides on a lot of things over the past 30 years 

More than 30 years, the change started with Vietnam war and Civil Rights movement. Then the Reagan era was the begining of the Republican party we have today.

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I don't think it is really a thing. It's usually just people in the public eye doing or saying shitty things and then people/companies reacting in the way they see fit. People are free to be unhappy about how others react but it doesn't really mean that there is some culture that likes to ruin people. Like previously stated in this thread a lot of these people who constantly put their foot in their mouths/do awful things are still making a living just fine. It may be harder nowadays to get away with being shitty but I don't really think that's a bad thing. There are certainly examples of companies going out of their way to change things that nobody has complained about in order to please people that they feel the need to appease, but that is purely on those companies, people also usually point this out when it happens as well. Nothing has really changed tbh, it's just that social media makes things more prominent. 

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On 6/23/2021 at 1:34 PM, downzy said:

Yeah, I was just curious what is considered "the left" or "the right" in these contexts.

I'm less inclined to attribute a movement towards whatever noise there is on twitter since it doesn't take that many people (in the grand scheme of things) to get something to trend.  I'm not really sure what the required threshold to apply a collective call to action against one partisan tribe.  Maybe twitter is enough.  But for me, that feels a little less organized and real than when large media companies and media personalities use their platforms to engage in this kind of rhetoric. 

Regardless of how one feels about cancel culture, I think it's a bit strange seeing people who make money belittling cancel culture can easily be culprits when criticizing someone from the other side of the partisan divide.  

100% also what people see on Twitter is what they choose to see/follow so completely impossible to use it to gauge which direction the narrative is swinging because it's different for everyone.

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1 hour ago, downzy said:

 

Republicans are always talking about that they're against all restrictions of freedom. Why all the censorship, isn't it a extreme restriction on the freedom for people to read or write about whatever they want, whenever they want to? Hypocrites. 
I just want to say in passing that I don't consider myself as a democrat. Oh, and also by the way on the rest of the worlds scale of politics, both the democrats and republicans are right wing-parties. Just one more so than another, the "socialist-stamp" gets passed around so much, it seems like few people actually has the slightest grasp of political ideology. End of rant, (sorry for OT- and as you propably know, downzy it wasn't in the slightest directed to you).

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23 hours ago, Homefuck said:

Republicans are always talking about that they're against all restrictions of freedom. Why all the censorship, isn't it a extreme restriction on the freedom for people to read or write about whatever they want, whenever they want to? Hypocrites. 
 

I guess my point in this entire thread is to underscore how "cancel culture" isn't limited to one group or partisanship.

Cancel culture has been around in one form or another for as long as human beings have been around.  It's a part of the give and take process of what some in society find offensive, intolerable, or symbolic of its values.

What I find interesting is how cancel culture plays out within partisanship.  Whereas censorship efforts amongst the left are generally motivated by a desire to reduce harm among historically marginalized groups, I find it more often the case with the conservative right to invoke censorship to increase ignorance and a desire to preserve perceived "common" sentiment. 

While I don't always agree with every instance of cancel culture by the left (with Dave Chappell being the most recent example), I generally understand or sympathize with the why of their efforts (again, even if at times they miss their mark or are a little too heavy-handed with punishment).  I don't fault those who wish to make society a little more tolerant, a little less inconsiderate, and generally a more respectful society.  Again, I think this attitude can take things way too far, but their intentions are something I can recognize and respect for the most part. 

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