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08/08/21 - Detroit, MI - Comerica Park


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Awesome that everyone seems to be having a great time. Certainly seems the most hyped time since 2016/17 which is great.

That approach to WTTJ works for me TBF….change a few other in the same way and by the time the Euro run start it will be grand! 👍

For those that were there - how was Absurd received? Hoping for thousands of folk screaming ABSURD!!!

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1 hour ago, Ak1nney said:

I bet this raspless Jungle actually sounds pretty good in person. It has more power than Mickey, but isn't up to 2016 rasp standards. It'll be interesting to see where his voice is at by the end of this year.

 

I think it’s awesome .

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1 hour ago, Ak1nney said:

I bet this raspless Jungle actually sounds pretty good in person. It has more power than Mickey, but isn't up to 2016 rasp standards. It'll be interesting to see where his voice is at by the end of this year.

 

I dont know man. He sounds puffed out to me and finding it hard to sing the words at times.

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5 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Maybe slightly slimmer than 2020 but still not anywhere near 2016 imo. 

Slimmer and sounding better? Good show?

Glad to hear Axl's in a good mood, hopefully it was passed on to him that ABSURD has been well received.

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6 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Slimmer and sounding better? Good show?

Glad to hear Axl's in a good mood, hopefully it was passed on to him that ABSURD has been well received.

Idk, was judging from the footages only. 

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He does try and work his way around the limitations and it clearly sounds a little better already. But if he mixes singing with playback (even if only for certain moments in certain songs) that's not a good sign.

Watching WTTJ from Detroit I noticed an ambience effect is put on the voice to mask the use of both autotune and playback snippets for specific parts in the song. It blends nicely, I suppose it's almost unnoticeable when you are there and listening at high volume levels, but it's there.

I know it's just cell phone recordings, but comparing these to previous cell phone recordings their entire live sound seems to lack lower midrange, Duff and Richard are way too low in the mix. Axl attending soundchecks and having more bass on monitors could help with the singing, but they need to bring Duff and Richard more to the front also.

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4 hours ago, IncitingChaos said:

I’m a fan of Shacklers Revenge in a live setting. I wish they’d tweak that one up a bit and bring it back to the set. Axl could do it vocally and seems like Slash could add a killer solo to the end. I just think it has good energy for the set and that’s the one thing I think the setlist needs most in the middle towards the end. 

Same, SR is one of my fav CD songs. When was the last time SR was played live? 

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He definitely sounds better on jungle from where it started on this run, the song requires a bit more grit though... it just does.

The outro of patience was hard to listen to... wowza🙉 best show so far, but again, still far off road ready considering he can't still get through Dead Horse... why are they still playing it when he's having this much trouble doing it? Love the song but I think it'd be better if it was left off the set until his voice kicks into gear. He still sounds like he's trying to figure out how the gears work. 

 

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There’s neither auto tune or playback(with maybe the exception of the ‘cha’ at the start of the song, but I’d doubt it).

Just a bit of delay on the screams and the cavernous echo of the Detroit venue.  
 

1 hour ago, adamsapple said:

He does try and work his way around the limitations and it clearly sounds a little better already. But if he mixes singing with playback (even if only for certain moments in certain songs) that's not a good sign.

Watching WTTJ from Detroit I noticed an ambience effect is put on the voice to mask the use of both autotune and playback snippets for specific parts in the song. It blends nicely, I suppose it's almost unnoticeable when you are there and listening at high volume levels, but it's there.

I know it's just cell phone recordings, but comparing these to previous cell phone recordings their entire live sound seems to lack lower midrange, Duff and Richard are way too low in the mix. Axl attending soundchecks and having more bass on monitors could help with the singing, but they need to bring Duff and Richard more to the front also.

 

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8 hours ago, ZoSoRose said:

Honestly you really don’t notice the vocal shit live, I’m not saying it’s not there but it’s still a great show in person 

Yes. That's why I guess it's just better to go to the actual shows and have fun, than to critique fucking low quality live streams and Youtube videos.

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12 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Here's some scattered, long winded thoughts on the show:

First up; I was nearing "old man yelling to get off my lawn" status prior to the start of this tour regarding this whole leg. Anyone who pays any attention to this forum was probably crystal clear on how I felt. 

HOWEVER, the biggest things I bitched about were the following: the stale setlist, the entire band looking & feeling like they were going through the motions and the lack of new material. 

I would've have probably gone if 1 of the 3 of those things were addressed, but by some miracle, all 3 were. 

Here's some bad things to get out of the way: Axl's voice. I'll revisit this in my positive remarks too, but he was rough in spots. He also had a lot of timing issues that were really odd. Not a huge deal, but really odd. 

Bad thing #2: the attendance. Jesus. I know I was telling everyone the numbers would be low but holy shit. 2 of the 3 casinos were passing out free tickets prior to the show and the place was still only 3/4 by well into GN'R. Before you "bUt ThE tOuR iS mAkINg MoNeY! WhY dO yOu CaRe?!" people jump down my throat....it's about a LOT more than GN'R making money for me. They're MY band. I've always rooting for them to win. A 3/4 fill stadium during Estranged, even after handfuls of tickets were being given out at two major casinos is not winning. 

The good: every goddamn thing else. 

I know "in a good mood and cracking jokes" is a meme, but wow does it go a long way for the whole vibe of the show when Axl is in a great mood. I've seen GN'R in concert 18 times now since 1991. Last night was the best mood I've ever seen Axl in by a country mile. The stuff during Jungle is a great example. Something fairly major went wrong and the dude just had fun with it. He let the crowd in on the joke, laughed it off with the band, then got back to handling the song. 

Regarding his voice, this is going to sound like an excuse but he was trying VERY hard. That matters to me a lot. That's the difference between me saying "if you would only put some effort in" and me sitting there thinking "well the dude IS almost 60 and has been singing at an inhuman level for decades" 

Another thing about Axl's voice is that I was with all casuals and two of the guys I was with are music industry professionals. They were in and around the music industry 24/7, so while they're casual GN'R fans, they're very critical. Outside of the glaring timing issues here and there, both of them kept saying things like "Axl sounds fucking amazing" even in full ass Mickey moments. So it's a reminded that we're the most critical of how he sounds by a long shot. 

The crowd size ended up working in my favor, so I can even partially include that in my good things. We were upgraded the moment we walked in. My son was at the show with his mom, so I was also able to grab tickets for him and her. So instead of all of us being in the upper bowl and me not sitting with my son, we all got moved down to the lower bowl and our new seats were all in the same section. 

The minor setlist tweaks also went a very long way for me. There were BIG songs that I didn't even think of until they started. Both CW and NR were moments where I was like "oh yeah, they haven't done that song yet". As opposed to the last leg where I knew exactly what was coming for every second of the show. 

The general chemistry between the band themselves and the crowd was rad as hell to be a part of. Everyone on stage was having fun with each other, then in turn having fun with the crowd. As a side note, Slash was ON FIRE the whole night. 

OK....let's get absurd now. Say what you will about that song but goddamn is it fun live. For disclosure: the song grew on me ahead of time but it was really something else live. Even if I still hated it, I probably would have had fun while they were playing it. 

As stated at the beginning, I knew this was going to be a rambling post so I'm sorry if it was hard to read / didn't make sense lol. 

In short, I had 100x more fun than I ever expected I would. You know why? Because the band put it a lot more effort, they tweaked the setlist and they included new music. 

I feel like I'm forgetting stuff I wanted to say, so if I left something out that anyone has questions on, just tag me in the thread and I'll do my best to answer. 

I had a very rough time with my mental health last week but a few things happened over the weekend that reminded me that there are many GREAT human beings in the GN'R community. Not the least of which were some of the things surrounding the show itself. 

If you took the time to read this whole thing, thanks :)

I’ve been waiting on this review! 🤣

Glad you are on the mend - mental health is so important. 👍

How did Absurd go down - I’m really keen to know if the crowd were into it/chanting ABSURD etc?

Judging by the WTTJ video doing the rounds it looked like Axl tweaked the vocal approach slightly making it more clean/consistent….was that evident elsewhere or were the usual dodgy ones still dodgy (YCBM….Better)?

 

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2 hours ago, adamsapple said:

He does try and work his way around the limitations and it clearly sounds a little better already. But if he mixes singing with playback (even if only for certain moments in certain songs) that's not a good sign.

Watching WTTJ from Detroit I noticed an ambience effect is put on the voice to mask the use of both autotune and playback snippets for specific parts in the song. It blends nicely, I suppose it's almost unnoticeable when you are there and listening at high volume levels, but it's there.

I know it's just cell phone recordings, but comparing these to previous cell phone recordings their entire live sound seems to lack lower midrange, Duff and Richard are way too low in the mix. Axl attending soundchecks and having more bass on monitors could help with the singing, but they need to bring Duff and Richard more to the front also.

Sorry, i can`t find any "playback snippets" or backing tracks running in WTTJ. Would you mind point where?

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