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08/08/21 - Detroit, MI - Comerica Park


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It's true that you don't notice quite as much in person, I was skeptical in the past but I've been there. Still, it doesn't make it a good performance by any means. The show and a few beers are still a fantastic way to spend an evening, but I still wish Axl would have a bit more in the tank.

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2 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

Well leading up to the Irish date I didn't know a single person with a ticket. Considering they played in 2017 to over 70000 and everybody and anybody was getting tickets, that's a big turn around... and that was before corona. The pandemic might have saved them from a very embarrassing year on the road. 

It is time for gnr to roll a tiny bit of press out (Axl interview) and a more popular single. Their popularity has dipped a bit, maybe they would prefer to go back to arenas at this stage though! I'd prefer to see them in a smaller venue!

Man ticket prices will be astronomical for arena shows. They really shouldn’t be charging so much for these stadium shows. It’s absurd 

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36 minutes ago, Pedrolg said:

It's true that you don't notice quite as much in person, I was skeptical in the past but I've been there. Still, it doesn't make it a good performance by any means. The show and a few beers are still a fantastic way to spend an evening, but I still wish Axl would have a bit more in the tank.

That's where the band being on fire and Axl being funny as hell / trying his best last night came into play. 

I wasn't taking the time that I usually do to be hyper critical of his voice because enough else was going on for me to be entertained by.

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10 hours ago, Ak1nney said:

I bet this raspless Jungle actually sounds pretty good in person. It has more power than Mickey, but isn't up to 2016 rasp standards. It'll be interesting to see where his voice is at by the end of this year.

 

the rasp is dead, its 2021. get over it.

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6 hours ago, RussTCB said:

Here's some scattered, long winded thoughts on the show:

First up; I was nearing "old man yelling to get off my lawn" status prior to the start of this tour regarding this whole leg. Anyone who pays any attention to this forum was probably crystal clear on how I felt. 

HOWEVER, the biggest things I bitched about were the following: the stale setlist, the entire band looking & feeling like they were going through the motions and the lack of new material. 

I would've have probably gone if 1 of the 3 of those things were addressed, but by some miracle, all 3 were. 

Here's some bad things to get out of the way: Axl's voice. I'll revisit this in my positive remarks too, but he was rough in spots. He also had a lot of timing issues that were really odd. Not a huge deal, but really odd. 

Bad thing #2: the attendance. Jesus. I know I was telling everyone the numbers would be low but holy shit. 2 of the 3 casinos were passing out free tickets prior to the show and the place was still only 3/4 by well into GN'R. Before you "bUt ThE tOuR iS mAkINg MoNeY! WhY dO yOu CaRe?!" people jump down my throat....it's about a LOT more than GN'R making money for me. They're MY band. I've always rooting for them to win. A 3/4 fill stadium during Estranged, even after handfuls of tickets were being given out at two major casinos is not winning. 

The good: every goddamn thing else. 

I know "in a good mood and cracking jokes" is a meme, but wow does it go a long way for the whole vibe of the show when Axl is in a great mood. I've seen GN'R in concert 18 times now since 1991. Last night was the best mood I've ever seen Axl in by a country mile. The stuff during Jungle is a great example. Something fairly major went wrong and the dude just had fun with it. He let the crowd in on the joke, laughed it off with the band, then got back to handling the song. 

Regarding his voice, this is going to sound like an excuse but he was trying VERY hard. That matters to me a lot. That's the difference between me saying "if you would only put some effort in" and me sitting there thinking "well the dude IS almost 60 and has been singing at an inhuman level for decades" 

Another thing about Axl's voice is that I was with all casuals and two of the guys I was with are music industry professionals. They were in and around the music industry 24/7, so while they're casual GN'R fans, they're very critical. Outside of the glaring timing issues here and there, both of them kept saying things like "Axl sounds fucking amazing" even in full ass Mickey moments. So it's a reminded that we're the most critical of how he sounds by a long shot. 

The crowd size ended up working in my favor, so I can even partially include that in my good things. We were upgraded the moment we walked in. My son was at the show with his mom, so I was also able to grab tickets for him and her. So instead of all of us being in the upper bowl and me not sitting with my son, we all got moved down to the lower bowl and our new seats were all in the same section. 

The minor setlist tweaks also went a very long way for me. There were BIG songs that I didn't even think of until they started. Both CW and NR were moments where I was like "oh yeah, they haven't done that song yet". As opposed to the last leg where I knew exactly what was coming for every second of the show. 

The general chemistry between the band themselves and the crowd was rad as hell to be a part of. Everyone on stage was having fun with each other, then in turn having fun with the crowd. As a side note, Slash was ON FIRE the whole night. 

OK....let's get absurd now. Say what you will about that song but goddamn is it fun live. For disclosure: the song grew on me ahead of time but it was really something else live. Even if I still hated it, I probably would have had fun while they were playing it. 

As stated at the beginning, I knew this was going to be a rambling post so I'm sorry if it was hard to read / didn't make sense lol. 

In short, I had 100x more fun than I ever expected I would. You know why? Because the band put it a lot more effort, they tweaked the setlist and they included new music. 

I feel like I'm forgetting stuff I wanted to say, so if I left something out that anyone has questions on, just tag me in the thread and I'll do my best to answer. 

I had a very rough time with my mental health last week but a few things happened over the weekend that reminded me that there are many GREAT human beings in the GN'R community. Not the least of which were some of the things surrounding the show itself. 

If you took the time to read this whole thing, thanks :)

I agree Axl is trying. Some of the notes that come out sour I think are only because that’s the best he can do to try to get the notes to happen. The intent is there, and the fact he’s clearly been working out and added new music, let alone released some, indicate that this is not just a band going through the motions.

 

Glad you had fun!!!! Looks like a blast 

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29 minutes ago, stezmacc said:

Just watching the YT videos. Looks like they are improving with every show. Can’t wait to get them back to Europe. London is gonna 🔥 

Very slowly and still with a lot of hesitation I'm considering getting tickets for the Nederlands show now. Looks like Axl might have just finished his vocal warmups by the time they get to Europe, but I'm not fully convinced yet.

Every time I saw them I was lucky to catch a good night and Axl being really good, don't want what is likely going to be my last GNR concert to be a shabby one.

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4 hours ago, tsinindy said:

Sure, but those just are not the reasons these shows aren't selling well, as was previously mentioned Hershey had whole sections shut off, this was A Satrurday show (in a venue with a capacity of 30K)......other bands are selling very well during covid and on Sundays.  They are just excuses for the facts.  Did a few people not go b/c it's a Sunday...sure.  Did a few people not go b/c of COVID..sure.  But, other shows by other bands are selling well..   This tour is over-priced and in venues that this band cannot possibly expect to fill having toured in almost every market they are playing since 2016 with only a single that just came out. 

Touring is were artists make the money these days. 

Not sure why the focus is on attendence in the US. The US has been and is continuing to be affected by COVID-19. 

A large percentage of the population would have been directly affected by COVID-19. 

Proof of vaccination will become a standard requirement in all of our life's. 

Live Nation don't seem to have an issue with shows not selling out, i would suggest they as the promoter would have accepted that risk and happy to take the financial loss on the chain. 

They will recover those costs from other country markets. 

The way Australian is going with a daily increase in community cases and unfortunately COVID-19 deaths, the Australian leg of the tour is looking unlikely to go ahead. 

These things are outside of the bands control. 

New Zealand is safe at the moment, with no COVID-19 cases in the community, but my hope is starting to fade, as its highly unlikely if the Australian tour does not go ahead, the band won't fly to New Zealand for two shows only in this part of the world. 

The cost of flying staging, crew etc would outway the financial return on two fully sold out shows. 

The band band is coming to Australia and New Zealand as they know there is a market that will pay to see the band play live.

This market will attend these shows not because of new music, nor a change in a set list, or Axls vocals, but because it might be the last time they will get to see the band in their homeland. 

There are plenty of fans from different countries around the world in the same situation.

You guys in the US don't understand how lucky you are,given you can travel within the US to see the band, not having to venture outside of your own country. 

I could be proactive in the event of the New Zealand tour being cancelled, and jump on a flight to the US in a week to see my favourite band live, pay the cost of travelling and tickets, no problem, but unfortunately in my personal circumstances, due to Covid-19, I would then spend 14 days in a managed isolation hotel, confined to my room, on my return to New Zealand, costing me an extra NZ$3,500. 

I might simply have to accept the situation, including the affect of COVID-19 on the world, and full back on memories of last seeing the band play live in Auckland back in 2017.

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1 minute ago, kiwiguns said:

Touring is were artists make the money these days. 

Not sure why the focus is on attendence in the US. The US has been and is continuing to be affected by COVID-19. 

A large percentage of the population would have been directly affected by COVID-19. 

Proof of vaccination will become a standard requirement in all of our life's. 

Live Nation don't seem to have an issue with shows not selling out, i would suggest they as the promoter would have accepted that risk and happy to take the financial loss on the chain. 

They will recover those costs from other country markets. 

The way Australian is going with a daily increase in community cases and unfortunately COVID-19 deaths, the Australian leg of the tour is looking unlikely to go ahead. 

These things are outside of the bands control. 

New Zealand is safe at the moment, with no community cases, but my hope is starting to fade, as its highly unlikely if the Australian tour does not go ahead, the band won't fly to New Zealand for two shows. 

The cost would outway the financial return. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for quoting me, but your response really has nothing to do with what we were actually discussing.  Have a good day

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Seems like people had fun, and I think that's where pricing comes in massively. 

$59 pit or other cheap tickets, you're going to go, have a great time, not take things too seriously. A good night out.

The prices they were/are asking puts the whole night on a different level. You've splashed out $250-300 dollars your expectations are WAY higher (rightly) and the night becomes a much bigger deal. Suddenly you feel pretty ripped off that the band were a bit sloppy or Axl didn't hit the notes. 

A lot of it is psychology- I've had fantastic times at gigs I haven't paid for simply because I went with a totally different attitude. I've also been hyper-critical of gigs I've paid a lot for. 

 

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5 hours ago, alfierose said:

This explains it a bit further. Back in 2019 we had numerous complaints against us for copyrighted material so we were forced to put this rule in place or risk having the forum shutdown. This includes fan videos from shows sadly.

 

Thanks for clarifying. I can definitely understand the "better safe than sorry" approach.

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I don’t think the band itself has many issues, they are extremely tight and sound really great IMO. I truly don’t get the Fortus and Frank hate outside of them not being OGs, but to each their own!

I feel like the band itself gives you a good amount of your money’a worth and it compensates a lot for Axl

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5 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

I don’t think the band itself has many issues, they are extremely tight and sound really great IMO. I truly don’t get the Fortus and Frank hate outside of them not being OGs, but to each their own!

I feel like the band itself gives you a good amount of your money’a worth and it compensates a lot for Axl

I think the original issue with those two is the tempos were too fast (they have been slowed down now clearly).  Maybe that wasn't Franks faut per se, maybe it was a band decision, but as the timekeeper, the tempos are much better.

And...to me, Richard was too....obnoxious (not the right word, but you get what I'm saying I think).  He seems to have taken a more relaxed approach to playing this tour from what I have seen so far, which is nice. 

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2 hours ago, ASLayerAODsk said:

the rasp is dead, its 2021. get over it.

I think its  tough for some people since its such a major part of these songs vocally and give them an impact. I compare it similarly to James Hetfield post 93 and Rob Halford when he couldn't hit near the amount of high notes when he returned to Judas Priest in 2005. He managed to comeback big time in 18/19.

I think its just something people think Axl can get back to if you're judging on 2016 which is somewhat recent history.

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13 minutes ago, mystery said:

I think its  tough for some people since its such a major part of these songs vocally and give them an impact. I compare it similarly to James Hetfield post 93 and Rob Halford when he couldn't hit near the amount of high notes when he returned to Judas Priest in 2005. He managed to comeback big time in 18/19.

I think its just something people think Axl can get back to if you're judging on 2016 which is somewhat recent history.

I wouldn’t mind at all if he used his Easy or Brownstone voice more often, even on songs that weren’t recorded that way. For example, “You Could Be Mine.” He doesn’t have to go high clean. Or switch it up and save the falsetto for the chorus but do the verses in a lower register. It’d at least be interesting to hear. 

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7 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

You don't have to worry about that, people attending the shows indicate otherwise :thumbsup:

And that's my point. What's the point of overtly crtitiquing damn Youtube videos, when the people actually attending the shows, are having fun? Those concerts are not made for Youtube videos and people sitting at home critiquing them.

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54 minutes ago, mystery said:

I think its  tough for some people since its such a major part of these songs vocally and give them an impact. I compare it similarly to James Hetfield post 93 and Rob Halford when he couldn't hit near the amount of high notes when he returned to Judas Priest in 2005. He managed to comeback big time in 18/19.

I think its just something people think Axl can get back to if you're judging on 2016 which is somewhat recent history.

Saw some vids right now on YT, he's doing fine, full clean voice, but in songs like Rocket Queen (ending) and others like (Sweet Child O' Mine, Kohd) where the clean voice usually annoys me, in this particular concert it didn't, may be his best performance since 2017, considering we are setting the bar pretty low here. Yeah, of course he's struggling sometimes, but I'm pretty sure he's going to be fine by the end of the tour, and in 2022 we're going down this road again, rough start, then it's fine. 

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21 minutes ago, FabioRoses said:

Saw some vids right now on YT, he's doing fine, full clean voice, but in songs like Rocket Queen (ending) and others like (Sweet Child O' Mine, Kohd) where the clean voice usually annoys me, in this particular concert it didn't, may be his best performance since 2017, considering we are setting the bar pretty low here. Yeah, of course he's struggling sometimes, but I'm pretty sure he's going to be fine by the end of the tour, and in 2022 we're going down this road again, rough start, then it's fine. 

But the rough is getting rougher, and the fine is getting less fine each year. Today's fine was 2016's rough. 

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1 hour ago, PatrickS77 said:

And that's my point. What's the point of overtly crtitiquing damn Youtube videos, when the people actually attending the shows, are having fun? Those concerts are not made for Youtube videos and people sitting at home critiquing them.

I definitely agree to some level- the point is to have fun, and if people are then great, but I also think that performances that are not good enough shouldn't just be accepted because people had fun. I think it's ok to separate the two ("I had great fun but the show wasn't a good performance"). 

I say this but I don't really watch the YT videos anyway, unless it's something really of note. 

 

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15 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I definitely agree to some level- the point is to have fun, and if people are then great, but I also think that performances that are not good enough shouldn't just be accepted because people had fun. I think it's ok to separate the two ("I had great fun but the show wasn't a good performance"). 

I say this but I don't really watch the YT videos anyway, unless it's something really of note. 

 

I can agree with this to some level too, but clearly, the performances as a whole, are good enough for the live environment, hence the people walking away from the show feeling they got something worthwile. Just not good enough to withstand dissecting on Youtube. But is all that dissecting making the show (or his performance) better? Do we know what Axl's issue is? Is it even something that really is only down to laziness or is it down to an almost 60 year old who lost, what he once had (or makes it harder for him to get there) and is not able to recover (if so, he wouldn't be the first one at that and also let's not kid ourselves, he never was perfect... there are 30+ years of performances that could be dissected and torn apart).

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3 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

It's rehearsal. It's lack of rehearsal. He can still hit the notes as is proven even during these bad times. He hasn't lost his range. He needs to strengthen his voice with some specific vocal exercises. He has lost a bit of weight though, so that's a great start. 

He absolutely underprepared for the shows and is now only coming to grips with how to deliver his performance. 

"Good enough for the live environment" that's not even true. It's supposed to be just good, without any further qualification. There should not be any arguments about youtube dissection because Axl should sound good live and when recorded. Is it good enough when you can't really hear everything that's gong on and after a few beers and you're singing along... just about, but is it good enough in comparison to other acts of this level? No way.  

There are way too many "we don't know what's wrong... he might be sick" etc. Posts.... can we just call a spade a spade? He doesn't sound good because he failed to prepare in a meaningful way. Like I said earlier, he is trying hard now! Great to see but this was effort that should have gone in, at a rehearsal space well away from paying fans. 

Well. "Should". :rolleyes: Ticket prices should also be lower, but they aren't. ;) He's been doing it this way all his life. You really think he's gonna change for the, tops, 5-10 years of performances left?

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