Muddy 132 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I read yesterday how Todd Kerns said that a new smkc album is coming out in 2021 which means a tour as well . i’m guessing this means no new guns album until at least 2022 or 2023. do you think they just don’t have the material? What’s the hold up? I know tickets weren’t selling well for the stadium tour that was planned that was canceled due to Covid. From what I read it was not an extension of the ‘not in this lifetime‘ tour but a new tour on its own . Not sure what the tour was supporting ? It’s not a reunion tour anymore. And there was no new album being promoted... ? GNR should take a cue from Metallica on how they run their band, those guys do things right . Not sure if this is the right place for this discussion but the forum has been dead lately and the posts are getting weirder and weirder lol so at least this is something to talk about 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Popular Post PatrickS77 1,276 Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Muddy said: do you think they just don’t have the material? What’s the hold up? Starts with A. Ends with xl. 6 1 15 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
allwaystired 2,489 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Well the first show of the 'new tour' featured the exact same setlist as the 'old tour', which should tell you most of what you need to know. There will always be a reason to be found to 'delay' any new album, just like there is a reason to put off anything in life that you have little intention of doing. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Axl_morris 1,961 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) There won't ever be a new guns album. It's been 12 years since the last, and you're being strung along believing so. The money is in the touring, a hits tour will bring in more money than a new album (that will quickly be forgotten)tour, these guys aren't 30 any more. Edited October 21, 2020 by Axl_morris 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
soon 8,141 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Even IF there was a Guns album in the can. Even if this years tour was supposed to promote it. That still doesnt mean it will ever come out! And my impression is that no one person in the camp could say why. I think the ship it set up to allow a wide berth for behaviours and choices that we dont know about and wouldnt understand them if we did. Im looking forward to a new SMKC (despite that being the cringiest name in rock history!). Franks licks on Driving Rain are very promising for the future of the collaborations! Also, Slash might have gotten fired up with the Guns mojo and directed those new riffs towards SMKC after realizing that Axl is still Axl? Could be very cool!! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ToonGuns 528 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 51 minutes ago, Axl_morris said: There won't ever be a new guns album. It's been 12 years since the last, and you're being strung along believing so. The money is in the touring, a hits tour will bring in more money than a new album (that will quickly be forgotten)tour, these guys aren't 30 any more. Is there any other band out there that indefinitely tours a "hits tour" without ever releasing new material? I can't think of one. It has literally zero artistic integrity. All other bands release new music and still tour the "hits" for joe punter but throw in the occasional new song to keep the hardcore fan interested, all while maintaining both interest in their indefinite hits tour and their artistic integrity. SMKC may not be life changing genre defining, but it's good old fashioned rnfnr played well. What's not to love. WOF was amazing. More of that please. 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Muddy 132 Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 Sadly, I think money takes priority over music in the GNR camp . And as others have mentioned , touring a greatest hits set list with no new album to promote shows lack of artistic integrity . I can’t stand SMKC either. I literally can’t name one song or remember one riff or melody off of any of their albums. I bought them all, listen to them once and then never again. Boring, generic, pop rock. Reminds me of Journey but without the great songwriting or soul . I liked those leaks that came out by the late 90s/early 2000s era of NuGNR much more than anything SMKC has put out . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DTV88 337 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Like Slash said, "It's just a gig." There will be no new GnR album. Maybe a song or two, but not an album. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JimiRose 247 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 hours ago, ToonGuns said: Is there any other band out there that indefinitely tours a "hits tour" without ever releasing new material? I can't think of one. It has literally zero artistic integrity. All other bands release new music and still tour the "hits" for joe punter but throw in the occasional new song to keep the hardcore fan interested, all while maintaining both interest in their indefinite hits tour and their artistic integrity. SMKC may not be life changing genre defining, but it's good old fashioned rnfnr played well. What's not to love. WOF was amazing. More of that please. Kiss, but they have about 15 albums in their back catalogue and they're 70 so it's ok. Plus whether you like them or not, there live stage show is amazing and you probably could watch it every 2 years and have a great time. GnR released 3 and 1/2 albums over 35 years and toured the same setlist since 2009 with less and less enthusiasm or persona/charisma since 2017. But aside from that there aren't many other bands that just go through the motions like Axl. After all, it is him that is stopping this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
El Guapo 1,087 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, DTV88 said: Like Slash said, "It's just a gig." There will be no new GnR album. Maybe a song or two, but not an album. Do we know for sure he said that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Dean 2,162 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Do we know for sure he said that? All rumor. Those in the camp have confirmed things are happening. There is more info now from multiple sources regarding new music than we had previously in the 2011/14 era and despite how difficult the band make it for fans, I’m optimistic. Let’s see what happens. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MaskingApathy 2,272 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 41 minutes ago, El Guapo said: Do we know for sure he said that? According to Matt's book yes. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DTV88 337 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said: According to Matt's book yes. Yes, this is what I was referring to. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowOfTheWave 790 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 4 hours ago, Muddy said: I read yesterday how Todd Kerns said that a new smkc album is coming out in 2021 which means a tour as well . i’m guessing this means no new guns album until at least 2022 or 2023. do you think they just don’t have the material? What’s the hold up? I know tickets weren’t selling well for the stadium tour that was planned that was canceled due to Covid. From what I read it was not an extension of the ‘not in this lifetime‘ tour but a new tour on its own . Not sure what the tour was supporting ? It’s not a reunion tour anymore. And there was no new album being promoted... ? GNR should take a cue from Metallica on how they run their band, those guys do things right . Not sure if this is the right place for this discussion but the forum has been dead lately and the posts are getting weirder and weirder lol so at least this is something to talk about I think Axl is simply a hoarder. He needs an intervention at this point. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DTJ80 1,019 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said: According to Matt's book yes. 2 minutes ago, DTV88 said: Yes, this is what I was referring to. To be fair - just because it was in his book alongside some other dubious stuff doesn’t give credence to being true. It totally could be but I’m thinking it’s been taken out of context. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DTV88 337 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, DTJ80 said: To be fair - just because it was in his book alongside some other dubious stuff doesn’t give credence to being true. It totally could be but I’m thinking it’s been taken out of context. Out of context? Matt was crystal clear with what he said. And if it’s not true, Slash is free to dispute Matt’s take. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Walapino 176 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DTV88 said: Out of context? Matt was crystal clear with what he said. And if it’s not true, Slash is free to dispute Matt’s take. Maybe he wanted to get Matt off his back, both Duff and Slash knew dealing with Sorum was gonna be a pain in the ass regarding his none inclusion on it as we can tell by reading the book. Edited October 21, 2020 by Walapino Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dangelus 164 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 According to Mark Tremonti, Alter Bridge will be back out touring as soon as COVID is over. As well as Myles’s solo album coming out in 2021 too I’m not sure how he’ll have time for Slash assuming they intend to tour on the back of a new release. http://www.niwyiben.com/interviews/interview-with-mark-tremonti-of-alter-bridge-sept-2020/?fbclid=IwAR3dvbNwIOInDocToIO5irUlsIh1sMQDyKQSmTTrJ0Sj0YlOZvDKBOGs3P8 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
©GnrPersia 757 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 CD is the last and final album. New Album will never happen. Axl might come up with some bullshit excuse about why they couldn't release anything. This as well will happen years later when reunion era will be a history. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DTJ80 1,019 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Dean said: All rumor. Those in the camp have confirmed things are happening. There is more info now from multiple sources regarding new music than we had previously in the 2011/14 era and despite how difficult the band make it for fans, I’m optimistic. Let’s see what happens. This is where I’m at. Too many positive pointers although the wait is excruciating! Plenty other bands and GNR-related stuff to keep me busy in the meantime. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DTJ80 1,019 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, DTV88 said: Out of context? Matt was crystal clear with what he said. And if it’s not true, Slash is free to dispute Matt’s take. Thing is - Slash won’t get involved in a slanging match (not his style) so we won’t ever know for sure. My thoughts are it’s either a case of Slash trying to appease Matt during said conversation or it’s just been totally embellished. Slash has always wanted back in to GNR so I think it’s more than a gig to him. 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
soon 8,141 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, Dangelus said: According to Mark Tremonti, Alter Bridge will be back out touring as soon as COVID is over. As well as Myles’s solo album coming out in 2021 too I’m not sure how he’ll have time for Slash assuming they intend to tour on the back of a new release. http://www.niwyiben.com/interviews/interview-with-mark-tremonti-of-alter-bridge-sept-2020/?fbclid=IwAR3dvbNwIOInDocToIO5irUlsIh1sMQDyKQSmTTrJ0Sj0YlOZvDKBOGs3P8 I guess Myles could be comfortable with having Slash and Kerns be the primary songwriters for this album, including lyrics? Maybe even some Kerns lead vocals here and there? I like Kerns old tunes. Ugly gets stuck in my head a lot. And yeah, true they might not intend to tour it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dangelus 164 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 I think the only way logistically (assuming there is a GNR record ready to go - big assumption I know!) is ifGuns release their album early next year as does Myles his solo album. Guns and Alter Bridge continue their tours ASAP with Myles slotting in solo shows where he can. SMKC release the end of 2021 with Slash touring into 2022. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chinese stew 80 Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Looks like we're getting some brand spankin' new generic rock from uncle Saul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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