North America 2021 rescheduled/cancelled/new tour dates discussion thread

[Gordon Comstock]

6 minutes ago, Ixtlan said:

I was at a 2019 show and it was a great show. The selects are just garbage. Embarrassing, actually. Slash loves to play live. He’s not bored up on that stage. Either is Duff. However, the band need one last album and one last proper tour. Then call it a day because Axl doesn’t have the drive anymore. 

 

Slash might not be bored, but he seems to care less about certain songs, and whether he's with GNR or SMKC he's in "his own world" when he's playing. I'm sure it's still exciting to hear 10,000 people or whatever cheering for them but that wasn't really my point, there's a clear decline from 2016-2020 in performance and energy.

[Ixtlan]

7 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

Slash might not be bored, but he seems to care less about certain songs, and whether he's with GNR or SMKC he's in "his own world" when he's playing. I'm sure it's still exciting to hear 10,000 people or whatever cheering for them but that wasn't really my point, there's a clear decline from 2016-2020 in performance and energy.

Agreed. I attribute that decline to Axl’s performance. I think he still cares about a great performance, but what he considers great now is just way below expectations. Hopefully they only have one great tour left. 

[allwaystired]

7 hours ago, Ixtlan said:

I still don’t see GNR as a nostalgic band. The band is still powerful live. Motley Crue isn’t comparable to GNR. 

Taking aside how they play live.....what are they doing that makes you not see them as a nostalgia act? 

[EvanG]

8 hours ago, WVsax27 said:

the bigger cities did ok but outside of that is was spotty- had a great time though. That always felt like a bit of an overreach from the word go, they were only really an arena band for a small window in the 90's.

There is a reason they only did like two shows outside of NA, promoters in Europe wanted them to play smaller venues but Billy would only do THAT show.

Thanks. But they actually did do a European tour in 2019 and they were supposed to tour a lot more but then covid happened.

I haven't seen them, but did see a lot of footage and it did look like a great show with a lot of effort put into.

[Ixtlan]

8 hours ago, allwaystired said:

Taking aside how they play live.....what are they doing that makes you not see them as a nostalgia act? 

I saw a commercial for a Styx and Collective Soul concert at some casino near me. The commercial was exactly what a nostalgic act would look like and the feeling was pure nostalgia. For me a nostalgic act is something that has almost no vitality outside of reminding people of a time when the music was relevant. GNR still perform music at a level that has life. 

[WVsax27]

7 hours ago, EvanG said:

Thanks. But they actually did do a European tour in 2019 and they were supposed to tour a lot more but then covid happened.

I haven't seen them, but did see a lot of footage and it did look like a great show with a lot of effort put into.

different show and they played mostly festivals.

[EvanG]

43 minutes ago, WVsax27 said:

different show and they played mostly festivals.

Okay, well, then I guess he did agree to do a different show?

[allwaystired]

2 hours ago, Ixtlan said:

I saw a commercial for a Styx and Collective Soul concert at some casino near me. The commercial was exactly what a nostalgic act would look like and the feeling was pure nostalgia. For me a nostalgic act is something that has almost no vitality outside of reminding people of a time when the music was relevant. GNR still perform music at a level that has life. 

Well Styx had a new album out in 2017 and have another one coming next month, so they're clearly moving forwards and not just about nostalgia.....whereas GNR? I'd say they are the very definition of trading in past glories at the moment. Even the merchandise is based on an album from the 1980s. 

There's not really any getting around the fact that GNR are an entirely nostalgic act at the moment. That's the way they seem to want it to be.  

 

[RussTCB]

52 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

Well Styx had a new album out in 2017 and have another one coming next month, so they're clearly moving forwards and not just about nostalgia.....whereas GNR? I'd say they are the very definition of trading in past glories at the moment. Even the merchandise is based on an album from the 1980s. 

There's not really any getting around the fact that GNR are an entirely nostalgic act at the moment. That's the way they seem to want it to be.  

 

That and the only commercials that run for GN'R concerts are the very definition of "Hey, remember those guys? Paradise City? Remember that? You should go see GN'R" 

[allwaystired]

Just now, RussTCB said:

That and the only commercials that run for GN'R concerts are the very definition of "Hey, remember those guys? Paradise City? Remember that? You should go see GN'R" 

Yep. I don't think you could argue anything else really, whatever your opinion on whether living in the past is a good thing or not. It's just a fact that GNR are currently trading entirely on nostalgia. 

[WVsax27]

3 hours ago, EvanG said:

Okay, well, then I guess he did agree to do a different show?

it was a totally different tour and with a totally different production, so no on that tour he did not.

[Ixtlan]

5 hours ago, allwaystired said:

Well Styx had a new album out in 2017 and have another one coming next month, so they're clearly moving forwards and not just about nostalgia.....whereas GNR? I'd say they are the very definition of trading in past glories at the moment. Even the merchandise is based on an album from the 1980s. 

There's not really any getting around the fact that GNR are an entirely nostalgic act at the moment. That's the way they seem to want it to be.  

 

Styx is pure nostalgia. Collective Soul is most def nostalgia. So making an album negates nostalgia?

[Gordon Comstock]

7 minutes ago, Ixtlan said:

Styx is pure nostalgia. Collective Soul is most def nostalgia. So making an album negates nostalgia?

 

GNR have been coasting off nostalgia for at least 5 years, arguably 8-10 years... in what world are they not a nostalgia band? What does "still performing music at a level that has life" even mean?

[Ixtlan]

11 minutes ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

GNR have been coasting off nostalgia for at least 5 years, arguably 8-10 years... in what world are they not a nostalgia band? What does "still performing music at a level that has life" even mean?

It means the band has vitality. The only people I hear say the band are a nostalgic band are forum members here. 

[jamillos]

2 hours ago, Ixtlan said:

It means the band has vitality. The only people I hear say the band are a nostalgic band are forum members here. 

and Pitman

[Stryker]

2 hours ago, Ixtlan said:

It means the band has vitality. The only people I hear say the band are a nostalgic band are forum members here. 

The only people I hear say *anything* about the band is here. I’m excited to see them this summer, but it’s okay to acknowledge what they are at this point.

Also - aren’t there a million and a half threads to discuss the identity of this band? Can’t we just keep this thread on topic? 

Edited May 28, 2021 by Stryker

[RussTCB]

1 hour ago, jamillos said:

and Pitman

Haha, post of the thread. 

[StrangerInThisTown]

4 hours ago, Ixtlan said:

It means the band has vitality. The only people I hear say the band are a nostalgic band are forum members here. 

If you haven't released shit in 13 years, you are a nostalgia act. 2008 was the last bit of soul left in the tank for GNR before the endless touring of the same setlist and music began, and it is still going on to this day.

Aslong as they don't release new music, which is highly fucking improbable, they will be known as a nostalgia band from the past.

And for the record as a side note, even Kirk Hammet called them a nostalgia act already back in 2016, who is -to the best of my knowledge- not a forum member.

Edited May 28, 2021 by StrangerInThisTown

[WhazUp]

4 hours ago, Ixtlan said:

It means the band has vitality. The only people I hear say the band are a nostalgic band are forum members here. 

They have vitality live because of the things they did in the past creatively up until 2008 (or 1991 if you are going by what the general public cares about song-wise) - hence "nostalgic"

 

I don't think there is anything wrong with being a band that sells tickets based on the past, but with GNR I just wish they would drop the always ongoing pretense of new material if they are not going to release anything

Edited May 28, 2021 by WhazUp

[jamillos]

Let's be fair here. I definitely see the "nostalgia" argument as valid. On the other hand, it took Tool exactly 13 years to release a new record - and that was still the same band. While Guns have gone through a complete refurbishment, and so we should start the count anew since 2015/16. The first two years were logically filled with touring, which was inevitable. Reunion, look - we're back etc. The problem, the lameness, the nostalgia, all that crap started with 2018 - with the unnecessary prolongation/continuation of the tour, same setlist, the guys looking like it's just a routine to them, and obviously Axl's form going downhill. So I don't see it as 13 years (of silence, of pain), I see it as 5 or even 3 years. Sounds weird, huh, but it's quite a different number. 
Have they been pissing me off ever since 2018? Absolutely. 

Edited May 28, 2021 by jamillos

[El Guapo]

So, when and where is the first show this year? 

[-W.A.R-]

59 minutes ago, jamillos said:

Let's be fair here. I definitely see the "nostalgia" argument as valid. On the other hand, it took Tool exactly 13 years to release a new record - and that was still the same band. While Guns have gone through a complete refurbishment, and so we should start the count anew since 2015/16. The first two years were logically filled with touring, which was inevitable. Reunion, look - we're back etc. The problem, the lameness, the nostalgia, all that crap started with 2018 - with the unnecessary prolongation/continuation of the tour, same setlist, the guys looking like it's just a routine to them, and obviously Axl's form going downhill. So I don't see it as 13 years (of silence, of pain), I see it as 5 or even 3 years. Sounds weird, huh, but it's quite a different number. 
Have they been pissing me off ever since 2018? Absolutely. 

I think you make a fair point. It's misleading to say it has been 13 years.

However if they couldn't get something done in this year of downtime i don't think they will.

[allwaystired]

7 hours ago, Ixtlan said:

Styx is pure nostalgia. Collective Soul is most def nostalgia. So making an album negates nostalgia?

Well.....it helps! 

When the newest song in your setlist is 13 years old, then there's absolutely no doubt about the fact that you're trading on the past. There's not even an argument to the contrary really. 

You can say you enjoy the shows, the band play well etc.....but it really is a falsehood to claim that it isn't an exercise in nostalgia now. 

[Rovim]

3 hours ago, jamillos said:

Let's be fair here. I definitely see the "nostalgia" argument as valid. On the other hand, it took Tool exactly 13 years to release a new record - and that was still the same band. While Guns have gone through a complete refurbishment, and so we should start the count anew since 2015/16. The first two years were logically filled with touring, which was inevitable. Reunion, look - we're back etc. The problem, the lameness, the nostalgia, all that crap started with 2018 - with the unnecessary prolongation/continuation of the tour, same setlist, the guys looking like it's just a routine to them, and obviously Axl's form going downhill. So I don't see it as 13 years (of silence, of pain), I see it as 5 or even 3 years. Sounds weird, huh, but it's quite a different number. 
Have they been pissing me off ever since 2018? Absolutely. 

if you support a new album with a tour, then for me for the duration of the tour the band is still moving forward. The reunion started 5 years ago and there is no real update from Axl on what's happening with a release of new music. They're already fully back so technically, they are a nostalgia act, even if personally I believe a new Gn'R album is going to be released in the future.

Tool is the exception to the rule imo.

Edited May 28, 2021 by Rovim

[jamillos]

42 minutes ago, Rovim said:

if you support a new album with a tour, then for me for the duration of the tour the band is still moving forward. The reunion started 5 years ago and there is no real update from Axl on what's happening with a release of new music. They're already fully back so technically, they are a nostalgia act, even if personally I believe a new Gn'R album is going to be released in the future.

Tool is the exception to the rule imo.

Tool are the exception, but Guns are too unique (given the history, lineups...) to be compared, really. Otherwise I agree. But like I said, the nostalgia etc. for me only starts with 2018. I don't suppose there was too much time and energy (also let's not forget about the AC/DC chapter) during 2016-17 to work on something seriously. 2018 was when the proper work should have started (and maybe did, we don't know). Their "fans update policy" definitely sucks big time. 

Edited May 28, 2021 by jamillos