North America 2021 rescheduled/cancelled/new tour dates discussion thread

[RussTCB]

3 hours ago, Ixtlan said:

So if Led Zeppelin reformed for one more tour and no new music to offer, would that be a pure nostalgia tour?

I know you already know this, but that's a ridiculous comparison. Led Zeppelin hasn't beaten nearly the same set list to death for the past 10 years. 

[Ixtlan]

Just now, RussTCB said:

I know you already know this, but that's a ridiculous comparison. Led Zeppelin hasn't beaten nearly the same set list to death for the past 10 years. 

I made no comparison. But, yes it’s ridiculous. I asked if Zeppelin reformed and toured would that be a nostalgia tour. 

[RussTCB]

3 minutes ago, Ixtlan said:

I made no comparison. But, yes it’s ridiculous. I asked if Zeppelin reformed and toured would that be a nostalgia tour. 

Right, which is comparing what Zeppelin might or could do what GN'R is actually doing. 

I get that you're trolling the forum, I'm just hopeful you'll tire of it soon. 

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by RussTCB

[Live Like a Suicide]

6 hours ago, allwaystired said:

Surely they wouldn't add more dates to a tour that isn't selling....you'd think? 

There's nothing stopping them from adding a few dates after the currently scheduled end of the US leg. It seems that these promotions are limited to venues in cities that don't officially have a GNR presence yet. That said, they would have to be awfully confident in moving tickets. 

[Bitchisback]

I'm sure live nation is confident these shows will sell once the tour is announced.  Nobody was buying tickets to anything while the pandemic was in effect. They do tons of research and crunch tons of data and numbers, and have access to way more info than we will ever have.  If they didn't think they could sell these venues the tour dates would have been cancelled a long time ago.  Will most shows sell out?  No.  Will any?  Probably not (unless they do some small ones like AC) but does that mean they won't sell a lot of tickets and make a lot of money.  Of course they will.  They aren't dumb.  I know people here who listen to the parascopes and whatever are tired of the shows and the band but for somebody who maybe saw them once in 2017 and hasn't seen them since they will buy tickets and there is waaaaaaaay more of them then there is people here complaining about Axl's outfit here.  GnR is still a hugely popular band.  Nostalgia or not.

 

Edited May 29, 2021 by Bitchisback

[SAU3R]

3 hours ago, Bitchisback said:

I know people here who listen to the parascopes and whatever are tired of the shows and the band but for somebody who maybe saw them once in 2017 and hasn't seen them since they will buy tickets and there is waaaaaaaay more of them then there is people here complaining about Axl's outfit here.  GnR is still a hugely popular band.  Nostalgia or not.

I disagree. Most of the casual fans who wanted to see GNR did this in 2016-2019. Especially in the US, they had enough opportunities to tick it off their bucket list and I doubt that many of them are desperate to see them again (especially when they look at the ticket prices). Also GNR is not the only band that  will be on tour this Summer/fall.

And many of the forum members, the die hard fans, won’t spend money on GNR until they have new music or at least a decent sounding singer.

So imo announcing even more dates in big venues is nonsense, neither the casuals nor the die hard fans will be that interested and willing to spend this amount of money 

But then again as others already stated, LN wouldn’t have booked these dates if they weren’t 100% sure they would sell well. Maybe they know something that we don’t now regarding new music or co-headliner. GNR needs to have an ace up their sleeve to make these shows sell well imo 

Edited May 29, 2021 by SAU3R

[EvanG]

43 minutes ago, SAU3R said:

I disagree. Most of the casual fans who wanted to see GNR did this in 2016-2019. Especially in the US, they had enough opportunities to tick it off their bucket list and I doubt that many of them are desperate to see them again (especially when they look at the ticket prices). Also GNR is not the only band that  will be on tour this Summer/fall.

Could be. But the show in the Netherlands in 2022 was sold out very quickly, and they played there and venues close to it (in Belgium and Germany) about half a dozen times already in the last 4 years. If what you say is true, it wouldn't have sold out that quickly. And apparently some other shows on that tour are already sold out too. Although I'm sure the pandemic had something to do with it. People are excited finally being able to go to live concerts again.

Edited May 29, 2021 by EvanG

[Bitchisback]

5 hours ago, SAU3R said:

I disagree. Most of the casual fans who wanted to see GNR did this in 2016-2019. Especially in the US, they had enough opportunities to tick it off their bucket list and I doubt that many of them are desperate to see them again (especially when they look at the ticket prices). Also GNR is not the only band that  will be on tour this Summer/fall.

And many of the forum members, the die hard fans, won’t spend money on GNR until they have new music or at least a decent sounding singer.

So imo announcing even more dates in big venues is nonsense, neither the casuals nor the die hard fans will be that interested and willing to spend this amount of money 

But then again as others already stated, LN wouldn’t have booked these dates if they weren’t 100% sure they would sell well. Maybe they know something that we don’t now regarding new music or co-headliner. GNR needs to have an ace up their sleeve to make these shows sell well imo 

It just makes me laugh when random people on the internet assume they know more than the promotors who have extensive data and research at their fingertips and are willing to invest millions of dollars into the production of these tours.  But I'm sure you have a better grip and insight than live nation does.

 

The negativity of this board drives me mad.  Please find me one single show on the 4 year NILT tour that sold poorly.  Just one please.

[Stryker]

15 minutes ago, Bitchisback said:

It just makes me laugh when random people on the internet assume they know more than the promotors who have extensive data and research at their fingertips and are willing to invest millions of dollars into the production of these tours.  But I'm sure you have a better grip and insight than live nation does.

 

The negativity of this board drives me mad.  Please find me one single show on the 4 year NILT tour that sold poorly.  Just one please.

I certainly don’t profess to know more than LiveNation; but take a look at the MetLife ticket map on Ticketmaster. There are a crazy amount of unsold seats, and there has been little to no promotion.

They still have time to cut prices, promote it and maybe add a big opener, but you have to admit, it doesn’t look great.

[RussTCB]

51 minutes ago, Bitchisback said:

The negativity of this board drives me mad.  Please find me one single show on the 4 year NILT tour that sold poorly.  Just one please.

I can give you a lot more than one: how about the fact that the whole tour was already downgraded to arenas for the second US run and the arena shows weren't even selling out. 

If GN'R wasn't a cash grab / nostalgia act, that wouldn't have happened. People would have been interested to go again, as opposed to going once just to see Axl & Slash back together playing the old hits. 

[Bitchisback]

50 minutes ago, Stryker said:

I certainly don’t profess to know more than LiveNation; but take a look at the MetLife ticket map on Ticketmaster. There are a crazy amount of unsold seats, and there has been little to no promotion.

They still have time to cut prices, promote it and maybe add a big opener, but you have to admit, it doesn’t look great.

I've gone to over 200 shows in my life.  There have been lots of shows where sales "didn't look great" and then when I got there they were packed.  Not every show sells well right from the beginning especially when tickets first go on sale.

 

Now of course there had been little promotion. They probably didn't even know they were going to go on with the show until a short time ago.  And like I said nobody was buying tickets to anything during the promotion.

 

I am wouldn't be surprised if that show has 75% attendance when it goes on.  Which is not bad when it holds 50-70k people 

 

I'm not saying GnR is going to sellout every place they play, or even come close to selling them out but I'm willing to bet that attendence is still very good for most shows.

[RussTCB]

I honestly don't see why people get so upset and defensive over GN'R being a nostalgia act. I love plenty of nostalgia acts and people have a great time at their shows. There's really no shame in it other than the fact that you have nothing new to offer fans, but it is what it is in that respect. 

[Bitchisback]

13 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

I honestly don't see why people get so upset and defensive over GN'R being a nostalgia act. I love plenty of nostalgia acts and people have a great time at their shows. There's really no shame in it other than the fact that you have nothing new to offer fans, but it is what it is in that respect. 

I'm not denying they are a nostalgic act.  Honestly 99% of artists who have been around for 15-20 years or more are. 

[SAU3R]

2 hours ago, Bitchisback said:

It just makes me laugh when random people on the internet assume they know more than the promotors who have extensive data and research at their fingertips and are willing to invest millions of dollars into the production of these tours.  But I'm sure you have a better grip and insight than live nation does.

 

The negativity of this board drives me mad.  Please find me one single show on the 4 year NILT tour that sold poorly.  Just one please.

I don’t believe that I know more or have better insight than LiveNation/GNR, but as @RussTCB said, since 2016/17 the interest in GNR shows continuously declined, they played Arenas and Vegas Casinos in 2019 and now suddenly they want to sell out Stadiums without new music or a co headliner? I simply don’t get their logic.

Edited May 29, 2021 by SAU3R

[Bitchisback]

5 minutes ago, SAU3R said:

I don’t believe that I know more or have better insight than LiveNation/GNR, but as @RussTCB said, since 2016/17 the interest in GNR shows continuously declined, they played Arenas and Vegas Casinos in 2019 and now suddenly they want to sell out Stadiums without new music or a co headliner? I simply don’t get their logic.

Again show me the shows that had poor attendance.  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_in_This_Lifetime..._Tour

Not every show is listed here but the majority are and the majority are at least 80% sold.

 

Not every show needs to be a sell out for a tour to be successful.  

 

 

 

[RussTCB]

1 minute ago, Bitchisback said:

Again show me the shows that had poor attendance.  

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_in_This_Lifetime..._Tour

Not every show is listed here but the majority are and the majority are at least 80% sold.

 

Not every show needs to be a sell out for a tour to be successful.  

Everything from October 8th 2017 on proves the point I already made in this thread. If there was a huge demand for GN'R still, they wouldn't have had to step down to arenas in the first place. Then many of the arena shows didn't even sell out. If that's not proof that the general public was losing interest, I don't know what is.

[Towelie]

4 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Everything from October 8th 2017 on proves the point I already made in this thread. If there was a huge demand for GN'R still, they wouldn't have had to step down to arenas in the first place. Then many of the arena shows didn't even sell out. If that's not proof that the general public was losing interest, I don't know what is.

The fans still prepared to pay to see them should be pleased if the stadiums don't sell and they downsize. At least you have a chance of actually seeing them in an arena. I hate stadium shows. 

 

[Bitchisback]

7 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Everything from October 8th 2017 on proves the point I already made in this thread. If there was a huge demand for GN'R still, they wouldn't have had to step down to arenas in the first place. Then many of the arena shows didn't even sell out. If that's not proof that the general public was losing interest, I don't know what is.

It was a fall tour with most of the shows on the east coast.  Where do you expect them to play those shows?  Lambo field in November? Lol

Also most of those shows sold out.  

 

 

[RussTCB]

Just now, Bitchisback said:

It was a fall tour with most of the shows on the east coast.  Where do you expect them to play those shows?  Lambo field in November? Lol

Also most of those shows sold out.  

That "it was fall" argument holds no water. If there was actual interest in the band, they could have played stadiums in all of the areas in the US where the whether isn't cold in the fall/winter. 

"Most" of the shows selling out also isn't a compelling argument as 1) if there was enough interest in the band, every show would have sold out with ease and 2) they would have added several shows per market at the arenas if the cold was an issue and they had to play inside. They didn't though because the level of interest just wasn't there.

5 minutes ago, Towelie said:

The fans still prepared to pay to see them should be pleased if the stadiums don't sell and they downsize. At least you have a chance of actually seeing them in an arena. I hate stadium shows. 

 

Oh I agree. I just prefer an arena show to a stadium show myself. Again, I really have no horse in this race though as my days of paying to see a GN'R concert are behind me. I just think it's so odd that people can't accept GN'R is a nostalgia act with less and less mass appeal.

[WhazUp]

18 hours ago, Ixtlan said:

So if Led Zeppelin reformed for one more tour and no new music to offer, would that be a pure nostalgia tour?

Yup, and that is partly why Robert Plant has actively refused getting back with Zeppelin for a tour actually lol. 

[Towelie]

2 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

That "it was fall" argument holds no water. If there was actual interest in the band, they could have played stadiums in all of the areas in the US where the whether isn't cold in the fall/winter. 

"Most" of the shows selling out also isn't a compelling argument as 1) if there was enough interest in the band, every show would have sold out with ease and 2) they would have added several shows per market at the arenas if the cold was an issue and they had to play inside. They didn't though because the level of interest just wasn't there.

Oh I agree. I just prefer an arena show to a stadium show myself. Again, I really have no horse in this race though as my days of paying to see a GN'R concert are behind me. I just think it's so odd that people can't accept GN'R is a nostalgia act with less and less mass appeal.

I think GNR like to think they are The Stones, but they simply don't have the catalogue to play stadiums whenever they feel like it.

[Bitchisback]

8 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

That "it was fall" argument holds no water. If there was actual interest in the band, they could have played stadiums in all of the areas in the US where the whether isn't cold in the fall/winter. 
 

Please show me the outdoor stadium tours in November on the east coast.  Because I can't ever recall one.  I could be wrong 

[RussTCB]

5 minutes ago, Towelie said:

I think GNR like to think they are The Stones, but they simply don't have the catalogue to play stadiums whenever they feel like it.

You're dead on. I've been saying that for more than a few years now. GN'R has also mistaken their fans for Rolling Stones fans as far as their merch goes. Overpriced leather jackets? Every trinket imaginable with their logo on it AND overpriced? Re-releases of older material that's also over priced? Yep, Rolling Stones do all of that and have done it for years. Their fans eat it up too. GN'R fans....not so much

[EvanG]

Any act who has been touring more or less the same setlist for as long as GnR have would sell less tickets year 4 into the same tour. The fact that they are still playing big places and sometimes even selling out, says something about how popular they still are. Even during the UYI tour they weren't selling out places anymore year two into the tour because they already played the same venues, and this was at the peak of their popularity with two new records out and hits in the charts. As I've mentioned before, some dates more than a year from now have already sold out in Europe. 

I agree that they are a nostalgic act, but any act that plays a lot of old songs is basically a nostalgic act. The Foo Fighters release records quite frequently, yet their shows are typical greatest hits shows, that's not too different really. Artists like Bob Dylan who only play (relatively) new songs and refuse to play older songs can escape being labelled a nostalgic act, I guess.

[allwaystired]

19 hours ago, Ixtlan said:

So if Led Zeppelin reformed for one more tour and no new music to offer, would that be a pure nostalgia tour?

Of course it would. What else would it possibly be?!