Towelie Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Just now, vloors said: They cant get rid of civil war and a few of the other must haves on the setlist but they could make them shorter and cut the amount of bloat on some of the songs (rq, civil war, kohd, nr). Agree bad obsession would be good to see live. They really go OTT on Rocket Queen these days. There's just no need for all that wankery in the middle. Talk about self indulgent. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Towelie Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 1 hour ago, RussTCB said: Yes, many people have said they hope the band fails. They have every right to feel that way. It certainly doesn't mean they have an unhappy life or a mental illness. It just means they've reached their limit of GN'R hitting the lowest bar possible and somehow getting rewarded for it. This. I am rooting for their tour to fail. I know it won't and they'll always be a large and lucrative market for classic rock nostalgia, but I can't pretend I wouldn't be happy to see half filled venues and the band being forced to scale back on future tours due to dwindling interest. I wish this on them because they need an impetus to change. The bottom line might be the only thing that motivates them (or lets face it, Axl) to actually get off their asses and actually function like a proper band, releasing new music etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvanG Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Who talked about GnR fans having a mental illness again? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, vloors said: They cant get rid of civil war and a few of the other must haves on the setlist but they could make them shorter and cut the amount of bloat on some of the songs (rq, civil war, kohd, nr). Agree bad obsession would be good to see live. They absolutely can cut some of those. The fact that they would rotate between Patience and Dont Cry is proof you don’t HAVE to play RQ, CW, KOHD. Plenty of bands don’t play every single hit they have, GnR chooses (for better or worse) to play almost every hit. There may be people who are slightly disappointed; but you can’t please everyone. IMO, WTTJ, SCOM and PC are the only untouchables. Edited June 5, 2021 by Stryker 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 13 minutes ago, Stryker said: They absolutely can cut some of those. The fact that they would rotate between Patience and Dont Cry is proof you don’t HAVE to play RQ, CW, KOHD. Plenty of bands don’t play every single hit they have, GnR chooses (for better or worse) to play almost every hit. There may be people who are slightly disappointed; but you can’t please everyone. IMO, WTTJ, SCOM and PC are the only untouchables. Completely agree! They went 18 years without playing CW after all. Might as well skip it for a few shows here and there if it’s needed to make room for new stuff (couldn’t even type that with a straight face lol). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trin9498 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Given the state of the vocals, do you think the shows would be better without the screens graphics and pyro?? Maybe it would be a little more of a raw atmosphere. The skeletons, trains etc are silly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Trin9498 said: Given the state of the vocals, do you think the shows would be better without the screens graphics and pyro?? Maybe it would be a little more of a raw atmosphere. The skeletons, trains etc are silly. Yeah I’ve always hated that kinda stuff. I miss the simplicity of the UYI shows. No weird graphics and minimal pyro. But alas, we live in a different world now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom-Ass Posted June 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2021 Click tracks and Pyro don't pair well with Guns N' Roses.... The big screens are cool when they are showing the band members and not the cheesy 90's screen savers... 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trin9498 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) Yeah lose that stuff and go back to the big illusion cover drapes Edited June 5, 2021 by Trin9498 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 3 hours ago, Gordon Comstock said: Pretty Tied Up, Hardschool, Bad Obsession, Down On The Farm, You Ain't The First, The Garden, Marseilles, Don't Cry (Alt lyrics) What's Marseilles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, janrichmond said: What's Marseilles? They covered it a few times in 1988-89 and 2014 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Blackstar said: th y people saying they'e rooting for the tour to fail because the band deserves it since it hasn't released music etc. This 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontdamnmeuyi2015 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ratam said: This Yet when I go to the concert the venue is sold out and the fans go nuts! It won't fail because it's GNR! 1 hour ago, Stryker said: They absolutely can cut some of those. The fact that they would rotate between Patience and Dont Cry is proof you don’t HAVE to play RQ, CW, KOHD. Plenty of bands don’t play every single hit they have, GnR chooses (for better or worse) to play almost every hit. There may be people who are slightly disappointed; but you can’t please everyone. IMO, WTTJ, SCOM and PC are the only untouchables. Not Civil War because the state of the world is worse than when GNR wrote this song. Same with WTTJ. Different decade, but worse world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Just now, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said: Yet when I go to the concert the venue is sold out and the fans go nuts! It won't fail because it's GNR! I never would wish anybody fail, neither GNR. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 42 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said: Click tracks and Pyro don't pair well with Guns N' Roses.... The big screens are cool when they are showing the band members and not the cheesy 90's screen savers... Agreed. The screens should only show the band members during the songs, and the bullet logo or something between songs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontdamnmeuyi2015 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ratam said: I never would wish anybody fail, neither GNR. GNR has die hard fans even when Axl had the other version of the band. Once Axl hit the stage the place went nuts. Now with Duff and Slash it's crazy and we fans love it. GNR will do okay. I'm sure most bands will do well since we've had no concerts for over a year. We need our rock music and 2 to 3 hours of forgetting how fucked up the world is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padme Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Towelie said: The bottom line might be the only thing that motivates them (or lets face it, Axl) to actually get off their asses and actually function like a proper band, releasing new music etc. They never functioned like a proper band. Sure they used to release music. But we got few albums between 1987 and 93, and one it's just a covers album. Needless to say CD took 10 years in the making. They are not going to change now. We shouldn't expect a huge change even if the tour is a failure. I'm not going to any show unless they change the set list. Or they do an AFD line up reunion. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 34 minutes ago, Padme said: Needless to say CD took 10 years in the making. They are not going to change now. All indicators point to at least two albums worth of completed material coming out of the CD era, though of course most of us only heard one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Signs Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Stryker said: They absolutely can cut some of those. The fact that they would rotate between Patience and Dont Cry is proof you don’t HAVE to play RQ, CW, KOHD. Plenty of bands don’t play every single hit they have, GnR chooses (for better or worse) to play almost every hit. There may be people who are slightly disappointed; but you can’t please everyone. IMO, WTTJ, SCOM and PC are the only untouchables. November Rain has 1.6 billion YouTube views compared to 1.2 for SCOM. They won't be skipping that. Sometimes I forget that the hardcores are such a small part of the stadium crowd. I'd be surprised if there's more than a couple thousand at each show hoping for a song like Breakdown or Catcher. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryker Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Subtle Signs said: November Rain has 1.6 billion YouTube views compared to 1.2 for SCOM. They won't be skipping that. Sometimes I forget that the hardcores are such a small part of the stadium crowd. I'd be surprised if there's more than a couple thousand at each show hoping for a song like Breakdown or Catcher. Ya, guess you can loop NR on it. To be fair, NR is a great music video and SCOM is less interesting, so YouTube will skew in NR’s favor. On Spotify SCOM is showing almost double the amount of listens as NR. I believe you are correct about there being only a minority of people hoping for a deep cut. Edited June 5, 2021 by Stryker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Subtle Signs said: November Rain has 1.6 billion YouTube views compared to 1.2 for SCOM. They won't be skipping that. Sometimes I forget that the hardcores are such a small part of the stadium crowd. I'd be surprised if there's more than a couple thousand at each show hoping for a song like Breakdown or Catcher. The other reason I'd call NR a "must play" is it's sort of Axl's centerpiece song with his piano solo and playing piano on the song of course. It's a chance for him to show off his piano chops and it's sort of an "event" in the scope of a gig. But yeah, those three from AFD and NR are all I think need to be played at every gig. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RussTCB Posted June 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2021 There are major setlist corrections that can be made without actually removing or adding songs. Here's some extremely simple changes GN'R could make without touching the actual list of songs: Not have Rocket Queen be 20 minutes in length Not have Knockin' On Heaven's Door be 20 minutes in length Change the order, every night. Open with a different song eveery night, then play whatever song in any order after that until you hit Paradise City Those 3 things alone would go such a long way to fix the show. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 I can still remember DJ's "We don't have a setlist" quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Open with One In A Million and close with Silkworms. The above is as likely as their setlist being notably different from the last show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post James Bond Posted June 5, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 5, 2021 The three plus hour shows were fun while it lasted, but I'd be all for them trimming the fat. So much of that is just extended jams and solos anyways. I think chopping it to two and a half hours with a refined set list could help strengthen the set and the pace of the show. I would agree that the big three from AFD plus NR are the only true "must play" songs and the rest could be changed up every night. Axl's voice not feeling up to YCBM? No problem - swap in Bad Obsession. Stuff like that would go a long way to at least make the show "feel" different in the absence of new music. Plus, adding more songs like Pretty Tied Up that fit Axl's current vocals would help ensure he can give it his all the big guns like Jungle and Paradise City. I think there'd be far less complaints about his vocals and the shows would be stronger. I'd even take advantage of the fact that Melissa is there. Have her and Duff back up Axl any time he needs to slip into Mickey, either with gang vocals or like how Duff supports him on Slither. Again - small changes that would improve upon the overall show and sound. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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