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22 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

That's a much more reasonable price.

They've done some social media and billboards right? An interview or something would help too.

I'm not sure about billboards...they (GNR) may have some up. But all things considered, I would in many ways consider GNR a bigger "name" (particularly among casual fans) than the foo fighters are... which should mean it wouldn't be that hard to promote it as "Hey (CITY NAME), you haven't had concerts in 16 months...GNR is here to change that". Rather than just sending the lame emails they've been doing. 

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17 hours ago, Bitchisback said:

Thanks for your services 🙂

It’s all good. Thank you. And, thank you for your positivity. It rare ‘round these parts.

11 hours ago, RussTCB said:

My assumption/opinion is an educated guess based on my 30 year history of seeing GN'R in concert across the US. I've watched the overall steady decline of their performances, including the 4 times and 3 different venues in Chicago that I've seen them. 

The only venue I can ever recall Axl treating as special has been Madison Square Garden. The first show at Hammerstein Ballroom I went to was pretty special, but I don't think that had anything to do with the venue. 

Who knows. Maybe they'll do something special at Wrigley, maybe not. Either way, sharing opinions is what the forum is meant for. 

The band won’t do anything special at Wrigley. I was just under the impression that all bands approached it like Pearl Jam. I hyped myself up about The venue. 

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3 hours ago, Stiff Competition said:

Gibson Amp was so good. I was at all three nights, front row. What a blast.

The final show of that tour is up there with their best shows from any era imo. 

2 hours ago, Dean said:

Wembley Arena would have been phenomenal, especially with Sailing.

Rock AM Ring needs to be in there for me, as does House of Blues 2001. The rest, I'm not so sure what I'd put in.

Any of the Hammerstein shows, Philly 2012, MSG 2002, Boston 2002, Glasgow 2006 just off the top of my head!

A friend of mine (Mackem) went to the show at Newcastle, was raging at being kept waiting til Axl allegedly had a lamb dinner or whatever the chat was at the time then wasn't pleased at not getting the full show as Axl stormed off. Hilarious. 

Ah, we're including the entire Nu GN'R spectrum. My mistake, that's harder.

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2002 =

2006 =
2007 =

2009 =
2010 =
2011 =
2012 =
2013 =
2014 =

IIRC the latest they started at the shows I went to was around 10:30pm.

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1 hour ago, goneshootin said:

Just picked up tickets for Foo Fighters @ MSG for June 20th which will easily sell out.  GNR should've really promoted their shows the way this one was... social media posts, some billboards/posters splashed up around NYC, got some news outlets to pick up the story (along the lines of it being the first big rock show since covid)...Grohl called in to Howard Stern this morning to promote it. And oh yeah, they actually dropped a new album. 

I'm going to GNR at MetLife as well...and both will be fun, but it wouldn't have been that hard for Guns management to promote it the same way FF's are. 

Guns N Roses management are not promotors,they manage the bands business affairs. 

A tour promotor will promote shows as they are the ones, who hire the venue and sell tickets to recover costs, and make a profit, with negotiations between the bands booking agent, management and the promotor in relation to the percentage the band would receive. 

The bands management have never stated they are a concert promotor and it states clearly on the bands website, what they do. 

The bands booking agent would have received an offer from a promotor and that offer would have been presented to the band via their management with a agreement signed off.

Thats the only involvement the bands management would have had.. 

The rest is up to the promoter.. 

Clearly the promoter sees a demand and that's way they are taking the financial risk and liability on their shoulders. 

The band still gets paid as per agreement. 

 

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9 hours ago, RussTCB said:

I know, right? I'm not even from Chicago and I'm well aware of how special Wrigley is to Pearl Jam. I also have an extensive history with seeing GN'R live across the US and it's been shown to me first hand that one show or venue is never made to feel special, outside of MSG. 

Again though, we have some folks who take any facts stated about GN'R as a personal offense if they don't agree with them. None of what I said about Wrigley being special to Pearl Jam and not GN'R was meant as some sort of insult towards GN'R. 

Oh wow, that's......aggressive. I sincerely hope they're able to somehow move a good amount of tickets in that market withoit having to fill the stadium with casino guest giveaways. 

The one venue I would say was made to feel special was The Ritz/Webster Hall. That gig in 2012 definitely had an air about it, surely given its history with GN'R. It was a long show - I believe the longest on the UCAP tour, it was before Axl got sick so he sounded pretty good, they threw some songs into the set which hadn't been played in a while (Most of which did get kept as rotations from then on, albeit), and there was definitely a strong connection between the band and fans (Axl included - that gig was probably the most I've seen him interact with the crowd). Otherwise I agree with the sentiment that most venues/cities do not get special treatment. 

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36 minutes ago, kiwiguns said:

Guns N Roses management are not promotors,they manage the bands business affairs. 

 

 

Thanks... wasn't aware of the ins and outs...but would still say the broader point in my opinion is they could be promoting the tour differently. 

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10 hours ago, Dean said:

Forever jealous. Was it MSG 2002 you were at also? I’d love to catch them there and would be my go to if I ever get over to the States to see Guns. Unfortunately I can only boast at the opposite end of the spectrum, being at two of the most critically panned performances in recent times with Slane Castle and Berlin 😂😂

I had tickets for that show. It snowed heavily at the time. Since my childhood friend and I live in NJ, we couldn't get to NYC.  I lost $80 on that show. 

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10 hours ago, 19AT5 said:

Aaah so that would explain why Wee Bill, Saul, Mikey, Darren and co were on such good form when I saw them in 2017 in MSG. My history of trying to see GNR was poor... every gig they had booked in Glasgow which I was due to see... had been cancelled! So on route to a wedding in Vegas, I caught them in MSG and had a rip roaring time! 

Was that the show, which Pink came on towards the end of Patience? If so, I was at that concert. 

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14 hours ago, RussTCB said:

My assumption/opinion is an educated guess based on my 30 year history of seeing GN'R in concert across the US. I've watched the overall steady decline of their performances, including the 4 times and 3 different venues in Chicago that I've seen them. 

The only venue I can ever recall Axl treating as special has been Madison Square Garden. The first show at Hammerstein Ballroom I went to was pretty special, but I don't think that had anything to do with the venue. 

Who knows. Maybe they'll do something special at Wrigley, maybe not. Either way, sharing opinions is what the forum is meant for. 

I would say MSG and Giants/Metlife Stadium.  The second time that I saw GNR was at MSG in December of 1991. That was probably the best GNR show that I attended. Axl was in a good mood. I would also say the first night at MetLife Stadium for the NITL tour was the second best show. Axl and Slash were on fire. The entire stadium sang along to Sweet Child.  

I think my first GNR concert set the standard of GNR being late. It was at the Nassau Coliseum in June 1991. What I heard was that was the first show GNR arrived late to.  

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52 minutes ago, Draguns said:

I would say MSG and Giants/Metlife Stadium.  The second time that I saw GNR was at MSG in December of 1991. That was probably the best GNR show that I attended. Axl was in a good mood. I would also say the first night at MetLife Stadium for the NITL tour was the second best show. Axl and Slash were on fire. The entire stadium sang along to Sweet Child.  

I think my first GNR concert set the standard of GNR being late. It was at the Nassau Coliseum in June 1991. What I heard was that was the first show GNR arrived late to.  

How late?

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4 hours ago, Draguns said:

 I would also say the first night at MetLife Stadium for the NITL tour was the second best show. Axl and Slash were on fire. The entire stadium sang along to Sweet Child.  

I was at that show.  It was definitely special.  It was also Slash's birthday which was cool.

 

I was actually at the Philadelphia show at Lincoln Financial Field the week before and I have to say that was an even more special night.  Axl definitely had something to prove after the show cancellation in 2002 and he 100% brought it.  I honestly think it's the best concert I was ever to.  The first time I got to see Axl, Slash and Duff together, Axl sounded fantastic and was incredible all might.  Just a really amazing night. The crowd was intense and passionate all night.  I still get chills thinking about it. 

 

See if you can track down a video of welcome to the jungle from that show

 

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13 hours ago, Draguns said:

Was that the show, which Pink came on towards the end of Patience? If so, I was at that concert. 

Aye! That's the one. I was completely pished by that point, but I do vaguely recall!

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16 hours ago, Draguns said:

I would say MSG and Giants/Metlife Stadium.  The second time that I saw GNR was at MSG in December of 1991. That was probably the best GNR show that I attended. Axl was in a good mood. I would also say the first night at MetLife Stadium for the NITL tour was the second best show. Axl and Slash were on fire. The entire stadium sang along to Sweet Child.  

I think my first GNR concert set the standard of GNR being late. It was at the Nassau Coliseum in June 1991. What I heard was that was the first show GNR arrived late to.  

Oh no lol, they were late to both the Noblesville shows in May, 1991.  Seems like the first show they started almost two hours late and they played well past the venue's curfew and had to pay some sort of fine.   They were late the second show, but not extremely late.

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13 hours ago, Bitchisback said:

I was at that show.  It was definitely special.  It was also Slash's birthday which was cool.

 

I was actually at the Philadelphia show at Lincoln Financial Field the week before and I have to say that was an even more special night.  Axl definitely had something to prove after the show cancellation in 2002 and he 100% brought it.  I honestly think it's the best concert I was ever to.  The first time I got to see Axl, Slash and Duff together, Axl sounded fantastic and was incredible all might.  Just a really amazing night. The crowd was intense and passionate all night.  I still get chills thinking about it. 

 

See if you can track down a video of welcome to the jungle from that show

 

yeah that show was fucking amazing!. i was there!

the weather was horrible though, felt like Florida  in September. 

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2 hours ago, felixGNR said:

yeah that show was fucking amazing!. i was there!

the weather was horrible though, felt like Florida  in September. 

Oh yeah it was brutally hot.  I remember walking around the city before the show and having to change my shirt at the concert from sweating so much lol

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On 6/8/2021 at 5:25 AM, rumandraisin said:

Hammerstein 2006 has to be in the top 5 nu gnr shows 

I was at show 4 or 5 honestly I can’t remember. But it was a very badass show. No one had seen Axl in almost 4 years. 2003, 2004, and 2005 were pretty hopeless days for GNR fans. I wasn’t sure if I would ever hear any of Chinese. Then the rolling stone article came in January 2006 where he confirmed Chinese was still happening. Then the leaks. Then Hammerstein. He should have gotten Chinese out for fall 2006. That was actually the best time other than 01 or 02. 

On 6/8/2021 at 9:25 AM, RussTCB said:

No, I haven't been to MSG. I was supposed to see Michael Jackson there in 2001 but my travel didn't work out. That was the only MSG show I've ever had tickets for. I really want to see a show (nearly any show) there some day though. 

I did see GN'R in 2002 though, here in Detroit. That show is notable for a few reasons. They played Riad that night, which I believe is the only time they've ever played it in the US. The show is also notable for Axl's mic throw / show walk out during and after Patience 

They played Riad at the 1/1/01 show in Vegas. 

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The best ones I’ve seen since going to the first Hammerstein show in 2006...

hammerstein night one, 2006

camden, nj, 2011

atlantic city, 2012

east Rutherford night 2, 2016

philly, 2017 (axl had some rough spots, especially TWAT, but the set list was so much fun.)

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50 minutes ago, JAxlMorrison said:

Camden nj, 2011

This was a really fun night.  I live about an hour from Philly in the Lehigh Valley and I've seen so many concerts at the BB&T pavilion, honestly almost all my favorite artists.  So seeing Axl on that stage just felt very right and special.  He also sounded great that night and they had a good set.  

 

I'm really missing that place.  Last time I was there was for Beck and Cage the Elephant August of 2019 

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2013 might have been the worst year for nu gnr shows. Not a single new song added to the set, show threads on the forum barely making it to 4 pages. Axl looked and sounded awful, even Ashba who, love him or hate him tried at least to get crowds going looked fed up. 

At least 2014 had the Duff comeback. 2012 had a few streamed shows and some Axl interviews. 2013 was a shockingly poor string of shows. 

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https://www.jujamcyn.com/springsteenfaq/#covid19

The Boss is doing a run of solo  shows in NYC from 26thJune  its only FDA approved vaccines so anyone who's had AZ jab is not allowed in the theatre as it stands as its currently NOT FDA approved and you will need proof of which vaccine you have had.

 

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