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21 minutes ago, Powderfinger said:

This. 
But.... 
 

(Source-Rolling Stone article June 2020)

(Despite it being dated 2020, I doubt much has changed re some of the below policies)

 

 

 

Live Nation Memo to Talent Agencies

The global pandemic has changed the world in recent months and with it the dynamics of the music industry. We are in unprecedented times and must adequately account for the shift in market demand, the exponential rise of certain costs and the overall increase of uncertainty that materially affects our mission. In order for us to move forward, we must make certain changes to our agreements with the artists. The principle changes for 2021 are outlined below.

Artist Guarantees: Artist guarantees will be adjusted downward 20% from 2020 levels.

Ticket Prices: Ticket prices are set by the promoter, at the promoter’s sole discretion, and are subject to change.

Payment Terms: Artists will receive a deposit of 10% one month before the festival, contingent on an executed agreement and fulfillment of marketing responsibilities. The balance, minus standard deductions for taxes and production costs, will be paid after the performance.

Minimum Marketing Requirements: All artists will be required to assist in marketing of the festival through minimum social media posting requirements outlined in artist offer.

Streaming requirements: All artists will be required to allow their performance to be filmed by the festival for use in a live television broadcast, a live webcast, on-demand streaming, and/or live satellite radio broadcast.

Billing: All decisions regarding “festival billing” are at the sole discretion of the promoter.

Merchandise: Purchaser will retain 30 % of Artist merchandise sales and send 70% to the artist within two weeks following the Festival

Airfare and Accommodations: These expenses will be the responsibility of the artist.

Sponsorship: The promoter controls all sponsorship at the festival without any restrictions, and artists may not promote brands onstage or in its productions.

Radius Clause. Violation of a radius clause without the festival’s prior authorization in writing will, at the festival’s sole discretion, result in either a reduction of the artist fee or the removal of the artist from the event, with any pre-event deposits returned to the festival immediately.

Insurance: The artist is required to maintain its own cancellation insurance as the promoter is not responsible for the artist fee in the event of a cancellation of the festival due to weather or a force majeure.

Cancellation by Artist: If an artist cancels its performance in breach of the agreement, the artist will pay the promoter two times the artist’s fee.

Cancellation Due to Poor Sales. If a show is cancelled due to poor ticket sales, the artist will receive 25% of the guarantee.

Force Majeure: If the artist’s performance is canceled due to an event of force majeure – including a pandemic similar to Covid-19 – the promoter will not pay the artist its fee. The artist is responsible for obtaining any cancellation insurance for its performance.

Inability to Use Full Capacity of the Venue: If the promoter – either because of orders of the venue or any governmental entity – is not permitted to use the full capacity of the venue, then the promoter may terminate the agreement, and artist will refund any money previously paid.

We are fully aware of the significance of these changes, and we did not make these changes without serious consideration. We appreciate you – and all artists – understanding the need for us to make these changes in order to allow the festival business to continue not only for the artists and the producers, but also for the fans.


 

 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.rollingstone.com/pro/news/live-nation-memo-pay-cuts-covid-1016989/amp/

Thanks for this information. Very interesting. 

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On 7/17/2021 at 9:01 AM, StayofExecution2020 said:

It's weird. GNR ist axls Life and probably passion. Yet he doesn't seem to care to invest more into it than he needs to make it work. Never goes the extra mile. That's some poor work ethic

I agree. Pretty much his whole career can be described like that, didn't make the extra effort, just caused problems.

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7 hours ago, Stryker said:

I’m not intending to. I’m fully vaccinated and not within a high risk group. 
 

That said, people who want to mask up should absolutely do it without a second thought. Everyone’s circumstances are different, so if you feel more comfortable in a mask, go for it. 

 

3 hours ago, Draguns said:

I was thinking of going to the MetLife show maskless. My childhood friend and I are both fully vaccinated. Now that you brought this up, I may bring my mask with me just in case. 

Thanks for the input all. I am going to monitor how things develop over the next couple weeks. COVID is rising in all 50 states, LA reissued its indoor mask mandate starting today, and others will likely follow. There is still so much unknown about COVID, these new mutations, and the efficacy of the vaccine against the delta variant. A lot of conflicting info from reliable sources (e.g., is a 3rd shot necessary?)

If I wear one, which I probably will, I hope I don’t get shit for from some drunk asshole at the show.  Have pit tickets to Metlife

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5 hours ago, MaskingApathy said:

I agree. Pretty much his whole career can be described like that, didn't make the extra effort, just caused problems.

That’s not accurate. Axl was once one of the most driven artists on the planet. Axl put a 100% into GNR. You don’t where Axl is without a 100% effort. Not to mention his life performances, which are second to none in rock history. 

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5 hours ago, MaskingApathy said:

I agree. Pretty much his whole career can be described like that, didn't make the extra effort, just caused problems.


Guess it depends on your definition of effort. Nobody should accuse him of half-assing his live performances back in the day. 

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4 minutes ago, GNRfan2008 said:


Guess it depends on your definition of effort. Nobody should accuse him of half-assing his live performances back in the day. 

That's true.

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16 hours ago, nycgunner said:

 

Thanks for the input all. I am going to monitor how things develop over the next couple weeks. COVID is rising in all 50 states, LA reissued its indoor mask mandate starting today, and others will likely follow. There is still so much unknown about COVID, these new mutations, and the efficacy of the vaccine against the delta variant. A lot of conflicting info from reliable sources (e.g., is a 3rd shot necessary?)

If I wear one, which I probably will, I hope I don’t get shit for from some drunk asshole at the show.  Have pit tickets to Metlife

Vaccine is good against Delta, from what I've been told.

13 hours ago, Ixtlan said:

That’s not accurate. Axl was once one of the most driven artists on the planet. Axl put a 100% into GNR. You don’t where Axl is without a 100% effort. Not to mention his life performances, which are second to none in rock history. 

He didn't do it completely on his own though. Without the other guys he wouldn't have gotten there.

12 hours ago, GNRfan2008 said:


Guess it depends on your definition of effort. Nobody should accuse him of half-assing his live performances back in the day. 

That's true, I was referring more to after 1993 and into the 2000s. However, he was still causing problems back then too.

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8 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

Vaccine is good against Delta, from what I've been told.

He didn't do it completely on his own though. Without the other guys he wouldn't have gotten there.

That's true, I was referring more to after 1993 and into the 2000s. However, he was still causing problems back then too.

Vaccine greatly reduces risk of death and hospitalization from covid. It’s efficacy in preventing infection is not as high. The rates are TBD, but Israel was spooked enough to start third shots and Pfizer is pushing it as well. 
 

Also, lots of folks who were vaccinated are getting it, including prominent politicians (even the UK’s health minister). 
 

If this continues to accelerate, I could see these outdoor shows requiring a vaccine. Candidly I think it’s absurd that they haven’t done this already. 

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1 minute ago, nycgunner said:

Vaccine greatly reduces risk of death and hospitalization from covid. It’s efficacy in preventing infection is not as high. The rates are TBD, but Israel was spooked enough to start third shots and Pfizer is pushing it as well. 
 

Also, lots of folks who were vaccinated are getting it, including prominent politicians (even the UK’s health minister). 
 

If this continues to accelerate, I could see these outdoor shows requiring a vaccine. Candidly I think it’s absurd that they haven’t done this already. 

A lot of shows now are requiring vaccine, and more are going to be announcing that if they haven't already.

 

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Checked this thread out for the first time in months and see the discussion of masks.  I'm vaccinated and have Pit tix for Metlife.  I'll bring a mask but am unlikely to wear it.  

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19 hours ago, nycgunner said:

 

Thanks for the input all. I am going to monitor how things develop over the next couple weeks. COVID is rising in all 50 states, LA reissued its indoor mask mandate starting today, and others will likely follow. There is still so much unknown about COVID, these new mutations, and the efficacy of the vaccine against the delta variant. A lot of conflicting info from reliable sources (e.g., is a 3rd shot necessary?)

If I wear one, which I probably will, I hope I don’t get shit for from some drunk asshole at the show.  Have pit tickets to Metlife

I just read this article.
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/07/covid-vaccines-999-effective-in-nj-with-84-breakthrough-hospitalizations-31-deaths-among-fully-vaccinated-murphy-says.html

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9 hours ago, MaskingApathy said:

That's true, I was referring more to after 1993 and into the 2000s. However, he was still causing problems back then too.


He caused a ton of problems. But I also think he spoke the truth when he said his mental illness was bad enough that he should not have been allowed to be a touring artist in those days. People around him just wanted the cash cow. It led to a lot of chaos. 

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I spend a lot of time on YouTube for content these days. Starting yesterday, nearly ad that played before and during videos was for the GN'R show in Detroit in a few weeks. 

I'm guessing the $29/ticket 4 packs didn't end up selling, so now they have to do an ad blitz to hopefully move tickets. 

I feel like I'm about a week away from seeing free tickets via the casinos / stadium adjacent businesses. 

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2 hours ago, RussTCB said:

I spend a lot of time on YouTube for content these days. Starting yesterday, nearly ad that played before and during videos was for the GN'R show in Detroit in a few weeks. 

I'm guessing the $29/ticket 4 packs didn't end up selling, so now they have to do an ad blitz to hopefully move tickets. 

I feel like I'm about a week away from seeing free tickets via the casinos / stadium adjacent businesses. 

YouTube huh? Maybe if there was some live GNR videos on YouTube they could REALLY target the people who are, ya know, interested in seeing GNR live :rofl-lol:

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3 hours ago, RussTCB said:

I spend a lot of time on YouTube for content these days. Starting yesterday, nearly ad that played before and during videos was for the GN'R show in Detroit in a few weeks. 

I'm guessing the $29/ticket 4 packs didn't end up selling, so now they have to do an ad blitz to hopefully move tickets. 

I feel like I'm about a week away from seeing free tickets via the casinos / stadium adjacent businesses. 

I don't understand, on Ticketmaster for my show it's still the same prices as before but you're saying the Detroit ones are already marked down?

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44 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

I don't understand, on Ticketmaster for my show it's still the same prices as before but you're saying the Detroit ones are already marked down?

Detroit tickets have been marked down for a month now. You can get a 4pk of upper level seats for $29 each. 

They'll go lower or end up at free. So I'm just waiting it out until I pay next to nothing or exactly nothing to see the show. 

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3 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

Detroit tickets have been marked down for a month now. You can get a 4pk of upper level seats for $29 each. 

They'll go lower or end up at free. So I'm just waiting it out until I pay next to nothing or exactly nothing to see the show. 

So are certain shows marked down but not others yet?

Oh I see that Detroit isn't going through Ticketmaster, maybe that's why.

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4 hours ago, RussTCB said:

I'm guessing the $29/ticket 4 packs didn't end up selling, so now they have to do an ad blitz to hopefully move tickets.

Probably not front of stage tix, however, I wish tix were a bit cheaper in Europe. Over here it's around 150 euros min unless you're fine with watching them on a big screen from way back. Front of stage tix are 250 - 350 depending on the venue.

I miss those days when all you had to do to get in the front rows was being there early enough. No cell phones, meeting actual fans and everything was about the music and having a good time. Today it's all see and be seen, not worth my time or money.

I guess they will hand out tix soon enough (giveaways, radio stations) to fill the empty seats.

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1 minute ago, adamsapple said:

Probably not front of stage tix, however, I wish tix were a bit cheaper in Europe. Over here it's around 150 euros min unless you're fine with watching them on a big screen from way back. Front of stage tix are 250 - 350 depending on the venue.

I miss those days when all you had to do to get in the front rows was being there early enough. No cell phones, meeting actual fans and everything was about the music and having a good time. Today it's all see and be seen, not worth my time or money.

I guess they will hand out tix soon enough (giveaways, radio stations) to fill the empty seats.

My days of needing to be anywhere close to a stage are far behind me lol. Uppse deck for free or close to free is fine by me, especially for a band like GN'R that I've seen so many times already. 

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I really wish GNR would have posponed this tour until next year. I have tickets for the September 1 Dallas show and I will wear a mask, but I really don't feel comfortable at it.  How will I know who is vaccinated or not? Dallas numbers are up, so who knows?

Even vaccinated people are getting the delta strain now. it's not as bad but I don't want to get sick at all or God forbid bring it to my daughter. 

I think too many things opened up too quickly again.

AA venue in Dallas had live WWE last night and no one in the crowd had masks on and there were plenty of kids there. This is the venue I will be seeing GNR so I hope they clean it well.

Just now, RussTCB said:

My days of needing to be anywhere close to a stage are far behind me lol. Uppse deck for free or close to free is fine by me, especially for a band like GN'R that I've seen so many times already. 

I hear you. Never do Pit and $700 for front row was too damn high for me. I got tickets in section 107 which is close enough to see okay. I'm still not sure this is a good idea but i won't miss GNR, so I'll hope for the best.

Hope we are all safe to enjoy GNR in concert and stay that way.

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I went to the Foo Fighters show last month at MSG that was supposed to be no entry without vaccination.  It was a joke, they looked at your card prior to entering the building, but they just glance at it for a few seconds and don't ask to match the card up with your ID.  You could show them a photocopy of one and it'd be no problem, although that would be a dick move.  I had GA floor, maybe 1 out of 50 were wearing masks, mostly older people.  

The price for MetLife tickets on ticketmaster are dirt cheap and keep dropping.  Pretty much every section looks to have available seats including the PIT. 

I've been to 7 shows (first being in 91).  l feel embarrassed for the band that they only seem to have sold 50-60% of tickets for a NYC metro show with fans not having been to concerts in 18+ months.  Personally, I've been keeping my eye on PIT tickets as they can dropping on price, now around $350 including fees on StubHub, but hesitating to pull the trigger.  If it's the same exact show that I've already seen 3 times, and I imagine Axl will still be out of shape and worse voice, which I'm sure it is, my money could be spent better on other events.  They need to give fans some reason to see them..  bring back Izzy or Steven.. that would be enough to fill that stadium.

A band like U2 would sell that place out in minutes.

 

 

 

 

 

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18 hours ago, slim26 said:

I went to the Foo Fighters show last month at MSG that was supposed to be no entry without vaccination.  It was a joke, they looked at your card prior to entering the building, but they just glance at it for a few seconds and don't ask to match the card up with your ID.  You could show them a photocopy of one and it'd be no problem, although that would be a dick move.  I had GA floor, maybe 1 out of 50 were wearing masks, mostly older people.  

The price for MetLife tickets on ticketmaster are dirt cheap and keep dropping.  Pretty much every section looks to have available seats including the PIT. 

I've been to 7 shows (first being in 91).  l feel embarrassed for the band that they only seem to have sold 50-60% of tickets for a NYC metro show with fans not having been to concerts in 18+ months.  Personally, I've been keeping my eye on PIT tickets as they can dropping on price, now around $350 including fees on StubHub, but hesitating to pull the trigger.  If it's the same exact show that I've already seen 3 times, and I imagine Axl will still be out of shape and worse voice, which I'm sure it is, my money could be spent better on other events.  They need to give fans some reason to see them..  bring back Izzy or Steven.. that would be enough to fill that stadium.

A band like U2 would sell that place out in minutes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sales for Metlife look pretty brutal.  So many tickets on there now for $29.  I think most people thought the stadiums were ambitious, some of the smaller ones look OK but the bigger stadiums look terrible sales wise. 

Interesting to see what Axl looks and sounds like.  

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