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16 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

It's just one of this things where if it was obvious that the emails really contain references to pedophilia, it would hit the mass media. Now, without having read the emails, it just sounds like an implausible interpretation considering the fact that I haven't heard about this before, that it isn't mentioned on the Wikipedia page, that it is laid out in documentaries that get taken off YT, that Podesta have never admitted that all of the leaked emails are genuine, and that it simply sounds so implausible. But I could be wrong. I should probably read the email, but there is like 20,000 pages or so :)

I can counter what you're saying and say things like as we all know YouTube takedowns are bullshit but in the end what it comes down to is go through his emails and watch 'Conspiracy of Silence' if you can find it, it's not a dubious YouTube 'documentary' it's an actual documentary(commissioned, I think, by the BBC) that was censored back in the 90s.

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28 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I can counter what you're saying and say things like as we all know YouTube takedowns are bullshit but in the end what it comes down to is go through his emails and watch 'Conspiracy of Silence' if you can find it, it's not a dubious YouTube 'documentary' it's an actual documentary(commissioned, I think, by the BBC) that was censored back in the 90s.

Conspiracy of Silence is the name of a documentary about child prostitution, but from 1994: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_of_silence

So wrong documentary? 

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7 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Oh, I thought it presented evidence that the Podesta emails contain coded messages about pedophilia. 

No it's a separate related thing.

Just look at his emails, there'll be info confirming the codewords.

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12 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

No it's a separate related thing.

Just look at his emails, there'll be info confirming the codewords.

I might have emails with "cheese pizza". Its not rare words. The existence of such words in email alone isn't enough. 

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1 hour ago, Oldest Goat said:

That's it. Child prostitution, in the landscape of US politics.

That this one? Says it was all a hoax.

The Franklin child prostitution ring allegationsbegan in June 1988 in Omaha, Nebraska and attracted significant public and political interest until late 1990, when separate state and federal grand juries concluded that the allegations were unfounded and the ring was a "carefully crafted hoax."

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3 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

I might have emails with "cheese pizza". Its not rare words. The existence of such words in email alone isn't enough. 

Yeah I understand mate. View the emails.

3 hours ago, Dazey said:

That this one? Says it was all a hoax.

The Franklin child prostitution ring allegationsbegan in June 1988 in Omaha, Nebraska and attracted significant public and political interest until late 1990, when separate state and federal grand juries concluded that the allegations were unfounded and the ring was a "carefully crafted hoax."

If you actually watch the documentary about it I'll be surprised if you still buy that.

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48 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Yeah I understand mate. View the emails.

If you actually watch the documentary about it I'll be surprised if you still buy that.

You understand why people are skeptical when people's arguments are, "read the book" "watch the documentary" etc. If you watched it and understood it and are convinced, you should be able to give the arguments in a concise and logical manner, and maybe even have some supporting docs or links you can show. If you can't and don't, people tend to just brush this stuff off.

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Looks like the Lincoln Project has fucked themselves royally tonight by posting private DMs to their twitter feed. I’m fairly certain that’s a federal crime.

I guess they served their purpose and can go away now. 

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5 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

You understand why people are skeptical when people's arguments are, "read the book" "watch the documentary" etc. If you watched it and understood it and are convinced, you should be able to give the arguments in a concise and logical manner, and maybe even have some supporting docs or links you can show. If you can't and don't, people tend to just brush this stuff off.

Have you fulfilled your desire to test black people's DNA for laziness and criminality yet? Lol...

I understand that but all I'm trying to do is point them in the direction of some information. I can't really be bothered combing through Podesta's emails again because it depresses me to look at that stuff, am I supposed to find them again and then post them here?

I've posted Conspiracy of Silence here multiple times before when it was still on YouTube and they didn't watch it.

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32 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I understand that but all I'm trying to do is point them in the direction of some information. I can't really be bothered combing through Podesta's emails again because it depresses me to look at that stuff, am I supposed to find them again and then post them here?

And I am not going to read 20,000 pages of emails to find evidence for something that is highly implausible ;) The onus is on those claiming that professional emails from a politician contained references to pedophilia, to provide evidence for such claim. Stating that the emails contain some words, like "pizza" and "sauce", that may have been used by pedophilia previously as codes for child abuse, but are otherwise completely normal words, is not enough. If it was, then all Italians would be pedophiles.

Here's Rolling Stone summarizing #Pizzagate:

"Searching for evidence of illegality or anything sinister in Podesta’s hacked emails, wannabe online sleuths decided that mentions of “pizza” were code for child pornography. An anonymous 4chan user posted a list of other supposed code words to search for in Podesta’s emails — “pasta” meant little boy, “ice cream” meant male prostitute, “sauce” meant orgy. Soon, the hashtag #Pizzagate appeared and spread like wildfire on social media."

I don't think I need to read emails mentioning "pizza" and "sauce" and "pasta", I need to see people arguing why in this instance this wasn't simply talk about food, but actually used as code for pedophiliac activities. So in that sense it is pointless of me to read the emails, I need to read someone's argument for why something that appears to be innocuous everyday messages are in fact deeply terrible messages about child abuse.

 

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2 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

And I am not going to read 20,000 pages of emails to find evidence for something that is highly implausible ;) The onus is on those claiming that professional emails from a politician contained references to pedophilia, to provide evidence for such claim. Stating that the emails contain some words, like "pizza" and "sauce", that may have been used by pedophilia previously as codes for child abuse, but are otherwise completely normal words, is not enough. If it was, then all Italians would be pedophiles.

Here's Rolling Stone summarizing #Pizzagate:

"Searching for evidence of illegality or anything sinister in Podesta’s hacked emails, wannabe online sleuths decided that mentions of “pizza” were code for child pornography. An anonymous 4chan user posted a list of other supposed code words to search for in Podesta’s emails — “pasta” meant little boy, “ice cream” meant male prostitute, “sauce” meant orgy. Soon, the hashtag #Pizzagate appeared and spread like wildfire on social media."

I don't think I need to read emails mentioning "pizza" and "sauce" and "pasta", I need to see people arguing why in this instance this wasn't simply talk about food, but actually used as code for pedophiliac activities. So in that sense it is pointless of me to read the emails, I need to read someone's argument for why something that appears to be innocuous everyday messages are in fact deeply terrible messages about child abuse.

 

How many times do I need to say that it's more than just the codewords? And I didn't tell you to read 20,000 of his emails maybe just skim through 20 and look at him and his friend's private social media posts.

Honestly there's no point of bothering to bring up this sort of thing. Society is doomed. The answer is blowing in the wind.

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1 minute ago, Oldest Goat said:

How many times do I need to say that it's more than just the codewords? And I didn't tell you to read 20,000 of his emails maybe just skim through 20 and look at him and friend's private instagram posts.

What more than the code words are there? Can you link to relevant emails or do you think I will find evidence for child abuse from reading any 20 pages at WikiLeaks? I'd happily look at the Instagram posts, but where can I find them? Just point me in the right direction and I will read :) I have spent a minute googling to no avail.

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1 hour ago, SoulMonster said:

What more than the code words are there? Can you link to relevant emails or do you think I will find evidence for child abuse from reading any 20 pages at WikiLeaks? I'd happily look at the Instagram posts, but where can I find them? Just point me in the right direction and I will read :) I have spent a minute googling to no avail.

If you can't find them on Google I have no idea how to find them again. I'm not some conspiracy sleuth I'm just some guy who looked at this shit on Google and YouTube when it was available however many years ago. I haven't looked at them since the day they came out. There might still be footage of his emails on YouTube if they haven't already been removed.

Honestly I regret saying anything just like I regret talking about the Vatican. Nobody cares and realistically if they do there's nothing that will be done anyway so you may as well just act like it's implausible or whatever and not bother. It's all a big nothing.

 

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7 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

If you can't find them on Google I have no idea how to find them again. I'm not some conspiracy sleuth I'm just some guy who looked at this shit on Google and YouTube when it was available however many years ago. I haven't looked at them since the day they came out. There might still be footage of his emails on YouTube if they haven't already been removed.

Honestly I regret saying anything just like I regret talking about the Vatican. Nobody cares and realistically if they do there's nothing that will be done anyway so you may as well just act like it's implausible or whatever and not bother. It's all a big nothing.

I definitely think that if there was evidence for Podesta, or anyone else, being a pedophile, something would be done about it, e.g. he'd face criminal charges. The fact that this hasn't happened suggests to me no such evidence has been found, whereas others may think it is evidence for corruption at a grand scale. Which is why, of course, I am curious to see this evidence, but not so curious I am willing to spend a lot of my time digging it up. 

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1 minute ago, SoulMonster said:

I definitely think that if there was evidence for Podesta, or anyone else, being a pedophile, something would be done about it, e.g. he'd face criminal charges. The fact that this hasn't happened suggests to me no such evidence has been found, whereas others may think it is evidence for corruption at a grand scale. Which is why, of course, I am curious to see this evidence, but not so curious I am willing to spend a lot of my time digging it up. 

I can understand not wanting to bother, I can't be bothered digging it up and even if I did and you see for yourself, then what? I'm pretty sure you'd explain it away no matter what I mean you think a cabal, something as ordinary as dirt is some implausible dream. Even after the Epstein situation. There's no point really it's a waste of energy.

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4 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

I can understand not wanting to bother, I can't be bothered digging it up and even if I did and you see for yourself, then what? I'm pretty sure you'd explain it away no matter what I mean you think a cabal, something as ordinary as dirt is some implausible dream. Even after the Epstein situation. There's no point really it's a waste of energy.

What was the point of you posting it in the first place, you are in a full fledged retreat now.

The pizzagate conspiracy and Epstein are two different things. With Epstein, we had Vicky Ward reporting that Epstein was connected to intelligence, with a quote regarding the prosecutor in the 2007 Epstein case.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-played-out-for-years-in-plain-sight

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Epstein’s name, I was told, had been raised by the Trump transition team when Alexander Acosta, the former U.S. attorney in Miami who’d infamously cut Epstein a non-prosecution plea deal back in 2007, was being interviewed for the job of labor secretary. The plea deal put a hard stop to a separate federal investigation of alleged sex crimes with minors and trafficking.

“Is the Epstein case going to cause a problem [for confirmation hearings]?” Acosta had been asked. Acosta had explained, breezily, apparently, that back in the day he’d had just one meeting on the Epstein case. He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he told his interviewers in the Trump transition,

 

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6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

How many times do I need to say that it's more than just the codewords? And I didn't tell you to read 20,000 of his emails maybe just skim through 20 and look at him and his friend's private social media posts.

Honestly there's no point of bothering to bring up this sort of thing. Society is doomed. The answer is blowing in the wind.

But you’re seeing what you want to see. Absent hard proof that pizza means child porn (and there is none), it’s not unreasonable for others not to ascribe to your perspective. 

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35 minutes ago, arnold layne said:

Remember when the Democrats won Georgia they guaranteed 2k stimulus checks? I remember. 

24 days since Biden was inaugurated. 

And Republicans have held the chair in Senate committees up until a week ago, just prior to the impeachment hearings.

How can Democrats enact their agenda if McConnell refused to relinquish control of the Senate only the business day before the impeachment hearings?  Most cabinet positions are still unfilled because Republican chairs refused to hold confirmation hearings. 

Or do these details not matter to you?  Just fun to rail against Democrats on the internet because it feels good?

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Just now, downzy said:

And Republicans have held the chair in Senate committees up until a week ago, just prior to the impeachment hearings.

How can Democrats enact their agenda if McConnell refused to relinquish control of the Senate only the business day before the impeachment hearings?  Most cabinet positions are still unfilled because Republican chairs refused to hold confirmation hearings. 

Or do these details not matter to you?  Just fun to rail against Democrats on the internet because it feels good?

How would this be an issue? Not trying to be a dick, but I'm genuinely curious what your sources are on this.

It was under my understanding that the democrats have control of both the house and senate by majority, so under what authority does McConnell have? 

He is in the minority. 

Also not trying to be a condescending dick again, but please tell me when we can expect 2k stimulus payments?

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