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8 minutes ago, arnold layne said:

How would this be an issue? Not trying to be a dick, but I'm genuinely curious what your sources are on this.

It was under my understanding that the democrats have control of both the house and senate by majority, so under what authority does McConnell have? 

He is in the minority. 

Also not trying to be a condescending dick again, but please tell me when we can expect 2k stimulus payments?

Didn’t you say the other day that your joint income was > $150k?

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It's great that justice was served, but it shouldn't be a shock considering the event was literally filmed. Fuck that guy, hope he rots

Illegally bombing countries already huh?

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8 minutes ago, Dazey said:

Didn’t you say the other day that your joint income was > $150k?

Whether it is or it isn't is irrelevant. 

At this point we haven't heard much about COVID-19 relief regardless of income. 

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1 hour ago, arnold layne said:

How would this be an issue? Not trying to be a dick, but I'm genuinely curious what your sources are on this.

With respect to Republicans holding the Senate until only a week ago:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/senate-power-sharing-agreement-reached/index.htm

As for progress on the bills to send out financial assistance, the House has already passed portions of what will become the House bill through the various commitees:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/12/covid-stimulus-update-house-advances-checks-unemployment-boost.html

The senate passed a resolution that allowed it to push through their bill through budget reconciliation (since there are not 10 Republicans who will support more financial aid) just prior to the impeachment hearings:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/02/04/senate-vote-a-rama-biden-economic-relief-stimulus/

It generally takes months for proposed legislation to become law.

The 2009 stimulus package wasn't passed until February 17th, which was considered record breaking at the time when Democrats actually controlled both chambers of Congress.  Contrast that to Democratic control now: didn’t take the Senate until a week ago, zero cooperation from Republicans, and an impeachment trial holding things up.   

Comparatively, Republicans ran in 2016 on cutting individual and corporate taxes.  It took them almost a year to pass that bill.

I don't mean to be a dick, but your post is representative of how little most Americans pay attention to what's going on or how uninformed they are with respect to how legislative process works.  This failure leads to increasing cynicism and partly explains how Donald Trump became President.

The American system of governance was designed to be slow.  It was a response to the system America was attempting to overthrow: monarchical rule where the whims of one person could dictate policy.  The problem has become that Americans aren't aware of this fact and have grown increasingly cynical that government can fix problems due to the unresponsive nature of the system.  Compounding the problem is the two party-system that uses obstructionism and political tricks to game the system and slow or shut things down further.  

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34 minutes ago, downzy said:

With respect to Republicans holding the Senate until only a week ago:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/03/politics/senate-power-sharing-agreement-reached/index.htm

As for progress on the bills to send out financial assistance, the House has already passed portions of what will become the House bill through the various commitees:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/12/covid-stimulus-update-house-advances-checks-unemployment-boost.html

The senate passed a resolution that allowed it to push through their bill through budget reconciliation (since there are not 10 Republicans who will support more financial aid) just prior to the impeachment hearings:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/02/04/senate-vote-a-rama-biden-economic-relief-stimulus/

It generally takes months for proposed legislation to become law.

The 2009 stimulus package wasn't passed until February 17th, which was considered record breaking at the time when Democrats actually controlled both chambers of Congress.  Contrast that to Democratic control now: didn’t take the Senate until a week ago, zero cooperation from Republicans, and an impeachment trial holding things up.   

Comparatively, Republicans ran in 2016 on cutting individual and corporate taxes.  It took them almost a year to pass that bill.

I don't mean to be a dick, but your post is representative of how little most Americans pay attention to what's going on or how uninformed they are with respect to how legislative process works.  This failure leads to increasing cynicism and partly explains how Donald Trump became President.

The American system of governance was designed to be slow.  It was a response to the system America was attempting to overthrow: monarchical rule where the whims of one person could dictate policy.  The problem has become that Americans aren't aware of this fact and have grown increasingly cynical that government can fix problems due to the unresponsive nature of the system.  Compounding the problem is the two party-system that uses obstructionism and political tricks to game the system and slow or shut things down further.  

 

Thanks for your response. 

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Not that it will matter, but Trump’s legal team in his senate trial has been terrible.  Just bottom of the barrel garbage. 

What a hot mess this clan of legal turkeys. 

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Wow, how subtle...

”Regardless of the merits of the case, may I remind everyone that many of you will end up with serious primary challenges if you vote to convict.”

In a normal world threatening the jury would result in a mistrial and further criminal prosecution. 

But we live in a world where Donald Trump became the most important person in the most powerful country. 

What a travesty...

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Leak of call between Trump and McCarthy during the attack on the Capitol.

Reveals Trump couldn’t give a fuck about the riot or the safety of those within in the building...

Dems need to subpoena both McCarthy and Trump as witnesses. 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html

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14 hours ago, downzy said:

Don't want to sign up to the Washington post so copy and paste if you want me to read it.

15 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

What was the point of you posting it in the first place, you are in a full fledged retreat now.

The pizzagate conspiracy and Epstein are two different things. With Epstein, we had Vicky Ward reporting that Epstein was connected to intelligence, with a quote regarding the prosecutor in the 2007 Epstein case.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epsteins-sick-story-played-out-for-years-in-plain-sight

 

Did you test black people's DNA for laziness and criminality yet like you said you wanted to???

The point was the points I made with a rather humble sentiment of hey I'm not so sure about that and take a look at this. But none of you can be bothered finding and reading Podesta's emails(which are factually real so you could judge them for yourselves) and none of you could be bothered watching Conspiracy of Silence the multiple times I posted it in the past and can't be bothered finding and watching it now. It's very clear to me people already have their minds made up anyway.

So that's why I'm retreating because it's a complete waste of energy.

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1 hour ago, Oldest Goat said:

The point was the points I made with a rather humble sentiment of hey I'm not so sure about that and take a look at this. But none of you can be bothered finding and reading Podesta's emails(which are factually real so you could judge them for yourselves)

Again, reading 20,000 pages seems a bit excessive. But fortunately, WikiLeaks allows me to search through the Podesta emails. So I searched for "pizza" and here is the first hit I got:

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Hope all is well. Ashok and I are back from the CGI, Middle East and Africa event, held in Marrakech, Morroco. If we are still on for dinner on Saturday, June 06 Possible menu _ Indian: suggestions welcome. 1. Mixed grill of Tandoori chicken, lamb, and Lahori fish: Pizza oven. Garnished with ribbon onions in lemon mint chutney. 2. Garlic Naan ( freshly baked, pizza oven @ 550 degrees) 3. Greek Yoghurt with shredded cucumber and fresh corriander garnish. 4. Basmati rice Pilaff with fresh green peas, Saffron and roasted pine nuts garnish. 5. A lentil dish. Dessert: A block of Vanilla Ice cream heaped with mixed seasonal berries and Roasted Almond praline spikes, drizzled with Amaretto. or with fresh sweet mango. *if preferred, we can shop together earlier for meats/fish. etc. Best Amrita

I dunno. Amrita could be a pedophile, sure, but I find it more likely she is just talking about what to serve at a dinner party.

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Today's Electioneering Communication Report is attached. * Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund* $40,000.00 for radio ad buy – Couple (Abar Hutton Media) on 9/25 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04) $555.10 for Prius unwrap (New Mexico Fleet Design) on 9/16 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04) $33.07 for printer ink (Office Depot) on 9/19 in opposition to Steve Pearce (CO-04) $27.84 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 9/16 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04) $29.00 for pizza for canvassers (Pizza Hut) on 9/18 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04) $828.32 for phone and internet (QWEST) on 9/16 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04) $52.07 for mileage (Barbara Swietkowski) on 9/19 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04) $53.25 for drill (Target) on 9/17 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04) $32.03 for water (Target) on 9/20 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04) $3,731.24 for radio ad production (Wild Bunch Media) on 9/25 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04) $18.72 for mileage (Barbara Swietkowski) on 9/17 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04) $14.63 for mileage (Ed Yoon) on 9/20 in opposition to Marilyn Musgrave (CO-04) $640.00 for salary (Sisy Garcia) on 9/30 in opposition to Steve Pearce (NM Senate) $560.00 for salary (David Kirk) on 9/30 in opposition to Steve Pearce (NM Senate) $800.00 for salary (Jesse Lifton) on 9/30 in opposition to Steve Pearce (NM Senate) $57.23 for salary (William Lutz) on 9/30 in opposition to Steve Pearce (NM Senate) $4,100.00 for walk card (MSHC Partners) on 9/29 in opposition to Steve Pearce (NM Senate) $640.00 for salary (Miriam Tohill) on 9/30 in opposition to Steve Pearce (NM Senate) $1,280.00 for salary (Ed Yoon) on 9/30 in opposition to Steve Pearce (NM Senate)

Again, this could be about pedophilic activities, but more likely this a detailed financial report over some campaign activity.

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Wanted to flag a dinner I'm doing at my house tomorrow for Hillary. Doing a fundraiser at my house with my brother John on October 6 at my house, John and I are cooking along with guest chefs James Alefantis of Comet Ping Pong Pizza and Buck's Camping and Fishing, Amy Brandwein of Centrolina and Massimo Fabbri of Ristorante Posto. Would love if you could go online and make your contribution here: https://www.hillaryclinton.com/donate/?raiser=49983. Hope you can make it. Look forward to an exciting year. Best, Tony Tony Podesta

This one is interesting, though. It is from Tony Podesta to podesta@podesta.com. And it mentions Comet Ping Pong Pizza (!) that got raided by the loon with the AK47 who looked for a secret basement (the building had no basement) were kids were supposedly being kept. But looking at the email, I think it is more likely that this is another innocent email about campaigning than about child abuse. Don't you think?

I could go on for some time (the Podesta emails have 149 hits for "pizza" and probably many more when you search for "sauce", "spaghetti", "mozzarela", "tiramisu," "panini", "grappa" etc), but I think it is a bit of waste of time by now. I am sure that the remaining 146 references to pizza will also appear to be normal correspondence with no suggestion of clandestine codes for child abuse. 

What I think is the case, though, is that people already sure that the Democratic party hides a cabal of satanic child abusers, are more likely to find "evidence" for that when reading emails. They might read the three emails above and go, "don't you see!!!". While I come from the perspective of finding this theory ludicrous to begin with, and hence I am more likely to take the emails at face value.

EDIT: Interestingly, the above is the only mention I can find of "Ping Pong Pizza" in the emails, so that little mention of the restaurant pretty much ruined the lives of a restaurant owner and people working there, as well as the loon who is now in prison for having raided the place under the belief he was saving children.

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8 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Again, reading 20,000 pages seems a bit excessive. But fortunately, WikiLeaks allows me to search through the Podesta emails. So I searched for "pizza" and here is the first hit I got:

I dunno. Amrita could be a pedophile, sure, but I find it more likely she is just talking about what to serve at a dinner party.

Again, this could be about pedophilic activities, but more likely this a detailed financial report over some campaign activity.

This one is interesting, though. It is from Tony Podesta to podesta@podesta.com. And it mentions Comet Ping Pong Pizza (!) that got raided by the loon with the AK47 who looked for a secret basement (the building had no basement) were kids were supposedly being kept. But looking at the email, I think it is more likely that this is another innocent email about campaigning than about child abuse. Don't you think?

I could go on for some time (the Podesta emails have 149 hits for "pizza" and probably many more when you search for "sauce", "spaghetti", "mozzarela", "tiramisu," "panini", "grappa" etc), but I think it is a bit of waste of time by now. I am sure that the remaining 146 references to pizza will also appear to be normal correspondence with no suggestion of clandestine codes for child abuse. 

What I think is the case, though, is that people already sure that the Democratic party hides a cabal of satanic child abusers, are more likely to find "evidence" for that when reading emails. They might read the three emails above and go, "don't you see!!!". While I come from the perspective of finding this theory ludicrous to begin with, and hence I am more likely to take the emails at face value.

EDIT: Interestingly, the above is the only mention I can find of "Ping Pong Pizza" in the emails, so that little mention of the restaurant pretty much ruined the lives of a restaurant owner and people working there, as well as the loon who is now in prison for having raided the place under the belief he was saving children.

Try searching for "spirit cooking" and "hot tub" and if their private instagram/social media posts are still up search "murder" and "kill room" and "date" if nothing dodgy comes up then his emails have been tampered with. Which won't mean anything to you you'll just think I don't know what I'm talking about but I'll know not to trust Wikileaks.

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5 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Try searching for "spirit cooking" and "hot tub" and if their private instagram/social media posts are still up search "murder" and "kill room" and "date" if nothing dodgy comes up then his emails have been tampered with. Which won't mean anything to you you'll just think I don't know what I'm talking about but I'll know not to trust Wikileaks.

There is an email with "spirit cooking":

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From: Marina Abramovic <marinaxabramovic@gmail.com<mailto:marinaxabramovic@gmail.com>> Date: June 28, 2015 at 2:35:08 AM GMT+2 To: Tony Podesta <podesta@podesta.com<mailto:podesta@podesta.com>> Subject: Dinner Dear Tony, I am so looking forward to the Spirit Cooking dinner at my place. Do you think you will be able to let me know if your brother is joining? All my love, Marina

The email is from Marine Abramovic, an artist previously having created a painting titled "Spirit Cooking", so she seems to reference the title of the painting in her dinner. For some reason, some people interpret this as indicating Abramovic and the recipient of the email, John Podesta, to be stanists or something. It has nothing to do with child abuse, though.

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11 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Try searching for "spirit cooking" and "hot tub"

There are eight hits for "hot tub". Before I spend any time looking into them, what do you think that term means? I would sort of assume they are simply talking about hot tubs but I suppose that term has some sinister meaning too? Why would they not be talking about, you know, hot tubs?

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3 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

There is an email with "spirit cooking":

The email is from Marine Abramovic, an artist previously having created a painting titled "Spirit Cooking", so she seems to reference the title of the painting in her dinner. For some reason, some people interpret this as indicating Abramovic and the recipient of the email, John Podesta, to be stanists or something. It has nothing to do with child abuse, though.

Spirit Cooking is a satanic ritual. If you want to describe smearing feces and pig's blood on the wall to write instructions to cut fingers and suck the blood eat the pain as simply art then that's just an example of how your mind is already made up and you just want to be dismissive. They're talking about a Spirit Cooking dinner and you think that means what they're going to have mac'n'cheese and look at her 'art'?

6 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

There are eight hits for "hot tub". Before I spend any time looking into them, what do you think that term means? I would sort of assume they are simply talking about hot tubs but I suppose that term has some sinister meaning too? Why would they not be talking about, you know, hot tubs?

The email I'm thinking of which mentions hot tubs is talking about organising kids to be at their hot tub party.

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If you can find it watch the Comet Ping Pong commercial where they don't show any actual pizza just children as the voiceover talks about how their establishment can keep a secret and uphold their patrons privacy.

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45 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

Spirit Cooking is a satanic ritual. If you want to describe smearing feces and pig's blood on the wall to write instructions to cut fingers and suck the blood eat the pain as simply art then that's just an example of how your mind is already made up and you just want to be dismissive. They're talking about a Spirit Cooking dinner and you think that means what they're going to have mac'n'cheese and look at her 'art'?

Why not?  Or at the very least, discuss it.

Sorry, but this whole thing is as nuts as Qanon. It’s reading into things that are not there. The same could be done with your posts on this forum if someone were so inclined. Absent hard proof other than arbitrary and capricious readings of certain words to fit your prescribed narrative, few are going to accept your interpretation. 

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10 minutes ago, downzy said:

Why not?  Or at the very least, discuss it.

Sorry, but this whole thing is as nuts as Qanon. It’s reading into things that are not there. The same could be done with your posts on this forum if someone were so inclined. Absent hard proof other than arbitrary and capricious readings of certain words to fit your prescribed narrative, few are going to accept your interpretation. 

Huh? What about my posts?

It amazes me that I have to repetitively say it's not just their use of codewords. Anyway, you think I'm a crazy idiot who doesn't know what they're talking about and even attempting to discuss this is an uphill battle. So I give up.

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Where all this stuff came from? Last I remember, Podesta was cought in an exchange of emails with an under age girl back in 2016. Now we're talking pizza,  a hot tub and satanic rituals :confused: 

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2 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Spirit Cooking is a satanic ritual. If you want to describe smearing feces and pig's blood on the wall to write instructions to cut fingers and suck the blood eat the pain as simply art then that's just an example of how your mind is already made up and you just want to be dismissive.

It's not a matter of already having my mind set up, it just follows from the fact that in most cases when people reference the occult, they are not actually indicating they are occultists themselves. Usually it is people talking about arts (movies, paintings, literature) or joking. Again, looking at my own email history, I am sure there would be emails that could possibly be misconstrued to mean something really sinister. It doesn't mean that is the right interpretation. 

EDIT: And there is some distance from being an occultist to being a satanist, and a much longer distance from being an occultist to being a child molester.

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