The US Politics/Elections Thread 2.0

[Sweersa]

1 hour ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

Just watched CNN and they were speaking to a police chief and said they are ready for any disruptions. How crazy is this?

At least they are prepared. Hopefully any protests will be peaceful, and no one gets hurt or worse. My brother was a victim during the George Floyd riots. He was in an area where people were burning police cars and smashing buildings up. He escaped with only minor injuries, thankfully. Others can't say the same, unfortunately. 

[evilfacelessturtle]

Folks, stay safe out there. We can fully expect violence in those crime ridden rural areas (more than usual anyway).

If Trump wins, the inflation will skyrocket because of his mass deportation. Who does he think works our farms? Food prices will be at levels you've never even imagined before.

[evilfacelessturtle]

4 hours ago, DannyVinyard said:

Isn't that what has happened under Biden/Harris over the past 4 years? Devalued dollar, impacting the poor the most, while assets have skyrocketed, making the rich even richer. Skyrocketing inflation and open borders. Filling up migrant EBT cards with thousands of dollars for food and cash withdrawal. Funding proxy wars: Israel and Ukraine. A Harris administration will be Biden on steroids. How anyone could vote for 4 more years of massive illegal immigration and hyper inflation is beyond my comprehension. Trump has flaws, no doubt, but he would be a million times better than Kamala, that is fact. At the very minimum, he will protect our border. 

You've obviously drunk the koolaid, but for posterity:

LOWEST INFLATION IN THE G7

The debit cards are a pilot program in one city, and do not have "thousands of dollars", they have $330/mo ($12/day) and are simply replacing existing food boxes that were provided. They cannot be used for cash withdrawals, that's a lie.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-nyc-migrants-credit-debit-cards-prepaid-240335300869

We aren't funding Ukraine, we sent old weapons we weren't using.

Mindlessly parroting the media's talking points, yawn.

[DeNfr]

big day for the US and the world, because of course it will have a huge impact on the international scene.
particularly, autocrats and dictators worldwide are watching the results closely, ready to make their moves if their best ally, Trump, wins.

if he is elected, Ukraine will quickly fall into Putin's hands, and the whole of Europe will be thrown into chaos. Poland will likely be the next target of the bloody Russian regime, and as this country is a member of the European Union, war would spread across the continent... Meanwhile, Xi Jinping waits for the chance to act with impunity to suppress Taiwan's desire for independence... and Iran, along with all its allies, would emerge stronger.

I don't think Kamala is a perfect choice, but that's the best you have guys. for you, your country, women and men, but also for us and the whole world. 

 

[MikeD]

42 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

big day for the US and the world, because of course it will have a huge impact on the international scene.
particularly, autocrats and dictators worldwide are watching the results closely, ready to make their moves if their best ally, Trump, wins.

if he is elected, Ukraine will quickly fall into Putin's hands, and the whole of Europe will be thrown into chaos. Poland will likely be the next target of the bloody Russian regime, and as this country is a member of the European Union, war would spread across the continent... Meanwhile, Xi Jinping waits for the chance to act with impunity to suppress Taiwan's desire for independence... and Iran, along with all its allies, would emerge stronger.

I don't think Kamala is a perfect choice, but that's the best you have guys. for you, your country, women and men, but also for us and the whole world. 

 

Oh my  oh my hopefully not... but hasn't this been happening since he/Reps have left and the Biden/Harris ticket been in power ? ... 

Edited November 5 by MikeD

[Sweersa]

13 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

We can fully expect violence in those crime ridden rural areas (more than usual anyway).

Yes, absolutely! Take it from someone who has lived in the country for years, it's not safe here, stay in the city!  

[DeNfr]

1 hour ago, MikeD said:

Oh my  oh my hopefully not... but hasn't this been happening since he/Reps have left and the Biden/Harris ticket been in power ? ... 

what's your point? 

[MikeD]

57 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

what's your point? 

Well most of what's going on today has been happening/escalating on their watch... hasn't it?   Hopefully whoever gets in will help resolve these... blaming Trump (or Harris) and the grim future of never ending wars is not the sol'n! No ?

Edited November 5 by MikeD

[AtariLegend]

I'm not an American, but for the sake of any sort of global attempt at tackling the climate crisis (hollow or not) and Ukraine (Europe), please don't elect trump again.

Your democracy, economy and cultural wars are up to you. The two above effect us all, pretty please?

If that isn't a good argument, just ask yourself if you want another 4 years of the trump show.

- signed a European.

Edited November 5 by AtariLegend

[DeNfr]

25 minutes ago, MikeD said:

Well most of what's going on today has been happening/escalating on their watch... hasn't it?   Hopefully whoever gets in will help resolve these... blaming Trump (or Harris) and the grim future of never ending wars is not the sol'n! No ?

It started way before Trump, continued during Trump, and yes the world didn't stop turning after Trump lost the election, so it continued and escalated. Needless to say it would have been worse with Trump because he's friend with dictators.

[Sweersa]

1 hour ago, DeNfr said:

It started way before Trump, continued during Trump, and yes the world didn't stop turning after Trump lost the election, so it continued and escalated. Needless to say it would have been worse with Trump because he's friend with dictators.

At least he has the balls to talk to them openly I'm friends with some pretty bad people too (especially by progressive standards), but they add value to my life and interests in ways unrelated to their perceived wrongdoings or questionable lifestyle choices and practices. 

[DeNfr]

1 hour ago, Sweersa said:

At least he has the balls to talk to them openly I'm friends with some pretty bad people too (especially by progressive standards), but they add value to my life and interests in ways unrelated to their perceived wrongdoings or questionable lifestyle choices and practices. 

no, the real courage is to say no to these dictators.
being their yesmen is the biggest weakness, they are laughing at him because he's their lackey. 

[Sweersa]

24 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

no, the real courage is to say no to these dictators.
being their yesmen is the biggest weakness, they are laughing at him because he's their lackey. 

They clearly don't respect the current US administration, seeing how they have been trying to take Ukraine for a few years now. No one knows for sure if that would have happened with Trump as president, but I don't believe it would have. 

I can almost guarantee you Putin had a good laugh when Biden called the president of Ukraine President Putin. Even Zelenskyy smiled and shook his head.

Could it have been a slip on Biden's part, rather than a typical "Biden moment"? By that, maybe Biden was thinking into the future when it's possible or even likely depending on who you ask where Putin will be the president of an occupied Ukraine. 

[SoulMonster]

1 hour ago, Sweersa said:

At least he has the balls to talk to them openly 

You think it takes balls to meet with state leaders? That the reason Biden hasn't met with Jung-un is a lack of balls? That Biden is afraid to meet him? 

You know, the diplomatic toolkit is diverse and holding off meetings can be an efficient way of telling someone they are in the doghouse and certain things needs to be done before they get the privilege of meeting with the president of USA again. It has nothing to do with balls, it's diplomacy. They need to play along before they get the chance to a face-to-face which can be an important arena for negotiations as well as a strong domestic signal that you are important enough to meet with the most powerful person in the world. 

Additionally, has it ever struck you why totalitarian leaders wanted to meet with Trump? Could it be that they thought they could play him, that's he's a fucking tool whose incompetence and infatuation with "strong men" could be exploited? Which is also why they all want him back as president again. They don't want Harris who is actually, for real, a tough person and used to deal with scumbags. Trump is a scumbag, and a weak-minded one that can be manipulated. 

[Sweersa]

Just now, SoulMonster said:

You think it takes balls to meet with state leaders? That the reason Biden hasn't met with Jung-un is a lack of balls? That Biden is afraid to meet him? 

Biden probably couldn't even find North Korea on a map with the countries outlined and labeled. And if he was pushed into meeting him, he would probably think he's with the president of South Korea. 

[SoulMonster]

6 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Biden probably couldn't even find North Korea on a map with the countries outlined and labeled. And if he was pushed into meeting him, he would probably think he's with the president of South Korea. 

You didn't really address my argument that it doesn't take balls to meet with state leaders. Come on, do you think they run a risk of Kim Jung-un ambushing them? 

Anyway, funny that you will make jokes about Biden and his grasp on foreign matters as an argument is favor of Trump. Donald J. Trump, the US president who didn't know the difference between the Baltic states and Balkan; Donald Trump, who couldn't pronounce Bhutan or Nepal ("Button" and "Nipple") and wasn't exactly sure where each were; Donald Trump who thought Finland was part of Russia; Donald fucking Trump who thought Belgium was a "beautiful city"; and Donald the orange-faced moron Trump who was puzzled that Sinai wasn't part of Egypt. 

[DeNfr]

10 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Biden probably couldn't even find North Korea on a map with the countries outlined and labeled. And if he was pushed into meeting him, he would probably think he's with the president of South Korea. 

that's a cute fanfiction but the reality is Trump met Kim Jong Un with zero results

[SoulMonster]

17 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

They clearly don't respect the current US administration, seeing how they have been trying to take Ukraine for a few years now.

Putin wouldn't refrain from attacking Ukraine out of "respect" for the US administration. He would do it if he thought he could get away with it. Respect is irrelevant. The build-up to the attack on Ukraine started much earlier, the annexation of Crimea took place under Obama's presidency. There is a long line of US presidents who have failed to curb Russian aggression, including Trump. The tell-tale sign here is that Putin wants Trump as the next president. Why do you think that is the case? Obviously not because he fears what Trump would do. He knows that Trump will likely call for a peace agreement that would include Ukraine forfeiting land to Russia and agreeing to not seek NATO or EU membership - which is exactly what Putin wants. And Donal, the imbecile, would likely agree to it if it served his own personal interests. Seriously, if you think Putin and Russia are bad guys then the very fucking fact that they have been trying to get Trump elected again, like they did in 2016, should be a huge red flag to you. This isn't rocket science. 

[Sweersa]

2 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

You didn't really address my argument that it doesn't take balls to meet with state leaders. Come on, do you think they run a risk of Kim Jung-un ambushing them? 

Anyway, funny that you will make jokes about Biden and his grasp on foreign matters as an argument is favor of Trump. Donald J. Trump, the US president who didn't know the difference between the Baltic states and Balkan; Donald Trump, who couldn't pronounce Bhutan or Nepal ("Button" and "Nipple") and wasn't exactly sure where each were; Donald Trump who thought Finland was part of Russia; Donald fucking Trump who thought Belgium was a "beautiful city"; and Donald the orange-faced moron Trump who was puzzled that Sinai wasn't part of Egypt. 

I have not had the pleasure of meeting the world leaders of communist or former communist states, should I ever, I'll be certain to ask them their true feelings about Trump and Biden, and will report back my findings, assuming they don't detain me, or worse. 

I really don't think they take Kamala/Biden more seriously than Donald Trump. That is an opinion, you don't need to shower me with sentences of your opinion in contrast. The only truth here is we have no idea, and are just expressing our thoughts on the matter. 

1 minute ago, DeNfr said:

that's a cute fanfiction but the reality is Trump met Kim Jong Un with zero results

I wonder if the DPRK would have sent troops to support Russia's campaign against Ukraine if Trump was still the US president. Also, it was a milestone in our relationship with that country when Trump visited Kim Jong Un. There was potential there for something, at the very least, even if it ended up not working out. There is potential with the manufacturing prowess of The People's Republic of North Korea. I can tell you from first hand experience their small arms production is better than what some would expect. (But not as good as Russian, Bulgarian, and especially not as good as Polish) As an American consumer, I'd happily trade them deworming pills and nourishing food for half a crate of DPRK Type 68 and Type 58 AK items.  

5 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Putin wouldn't refrain from attacking Ukraine out of "respect" for the US administration. He would do it if he thought he could get away with it. Respect is irrelevant. The build-up to the attack on Ukraine started much earlier, the annexation of Crimea took place under Obama's presidency. There is a long line of US presidents who have failed to curb Russian aggression, including Trump. The tell-tale sign here is that Putin wants Trump as the next president. Why do you think that is the case? Obviously not because he fears what Trump would do. He knows that Trump will likely call for a peace agreement that would include Ukraine forfeiting land to Russia and agreeing to not seek NATO or EU membership - which is exactly what Putin wants. And Donal, the imbecile, would likely agree to it if it served his own personal interests. Seriously, if you think Putin and Russia are bad guys then the very fucking fact that they have been trying to get Trump elected again, like they did in 2016, should be a huge red flag to you. This isn't rocket science. 

So, you said it yourself. Putin made a move against Ukraine over ten years ago under Obama, and again under Biden. Not under Trump, however I'm saying this with the understanding it could just be a coincidence. 

[SoulMonster]

2 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I have not had the pleasure of meeting the world leaders of communist or former communist states, should I ever, I'll be certain to ask them their true feelings about Trump and Biden, and will report back my findings, assuming they don't detain me, or worse. 

I really don't think they take Kamala/Biden more seriously than Donald Trump. That is an opinion, you don't need to shower me with sentences of your opinion in contrast. The only truth here is we have no idea, and are just expressing our thoughts on the matter. 

I don't need to shower you with sentences, it should be enough to again state the obvious: The bad guys of the world wants Trump as the next president. Let that sink in and then wake up.

Do you honestly think they would want him to be the president if they considered him a threat to their plans and strategies? Do you? Do you?

Edited November 5 by SoulMonster

[DeNfr]

5 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I wonder if the DPRK would have sent troops to support Russia's campaign against Ukraine if Trump was still the US president.

zero chance indeed, because Trump would have support Putin since day one and people of Ukraine would have been raped, tortured and killed to the last, Ukraine repopulated with russians under amused Trump's eyes

[Sweersa]

11 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

I don't need to shower you with sentences, it should be enough to again state the obvious: The bad guys of the world wants Trump as the next president. Let that sink in and then wake up.

Do you honestly think they would want him to be the president if they considered him a threat to their plans and strategies? Do you? Do you?

Who knows what their motives are. Putin is ex-KGB, he's probably smarter than both of us combined, and that's not to compliment him. I'm sure he's a sick individual. 

7 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

zero chance indeed, because Trump would have support Putin since day one and people of Ukraine would have been raped, tortured and killed to the last, Ukraine repopulated with russians under amused Trump's eyes

Impossible to say for sure, but I do not believe Trump would have supported any war between Ukraine and Russia. 

Edited to add: Russia and Ukraine were part of the same country, they are not that different from one another. Both are largely corrupt, to about the same level according to the last information I read from the US government. Both were our enemy decades ago. The biggest mistake Ukraine did was to give up their nukes after the USSR fell. They did so, because they were told the west would help, should they ever needed it. For that reason, we need to support them to keep our word. It is unfortunate it came to such a brutal war and I hope it stops soon. 

Edited November 5 by Sweersa

[SoulMonster]

2 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Who knows what their motives are. Putin is ex-KGB, he's probably smarter than both of us combined, and that's not to compliment him. I'm sure he's a sick individual. 

Well, he obviously wants Trump. What else do you need to know? If Trump was this ballsy operator, this strategic stratagem, this tough negotiator, this dominant alpha male on the stage of global politics and diplomacy, as his supporters for unknown reasons seem to think he is (as gullible as they are) then Putin wouldn't want him as the president of USA, would he? He'd shiver in his trousers over the prospect of Trump returning as the president.

The fact that Putin wants Trump should mean US people flocking to Harris. They shouldn't need to know anything else about Trump to automatically vote for Harris. If Trump is a friend of your enemy then you don't give him the presidency. The fact that the US people don't flock to Harris either means they are too stupid to realize the implications of Putin wanting Trump, or they don't consider Putin to be such a bad guy after all (which unfortunately seems to be the case for parts of the far right in US' politics). Some of them probably get a semi when they see Putin riding bare-chested or wrestling with tigers just as they get a semi when Trump talked about bombing Iran back to the stone age or when he mocked the disabled. Their love for authoritarian "strong men" probably doesn't begin and end with Trump. 

[Sweersa]

9 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Well, he obviously wants Trump. What else do you need to know? If Trump was this ballsy operator, this strategic stratagem, this tough negotiator, this dominant alpha male on the stage of global politics and diplomacy, as his supporters for unknown reasons seem to think he is (as gullible as they are) then Putin wouldn't want him as the president of USA, would he? He'd shiver in his trousers over the prospect of Trump returning as the president.

The fact that Putin wants Trump should mean US people flocking to Harris. They shouldn't need to know anything else about Trump to automatically vote for Harris. If Trump is a friend of your enemy then you don't give him the presidency. The fact that the US people don't flock to Harris either means they are too stupid to realize the implications of Putin wanting Trump, or they don't consider Putin to be such a bad guy after all (which unfortunately seems to be the case for parts of the far right in US' politics). Some of them probably get a semi when they see Putin riding bare-chested or wrestling with tigers just as they get a semi when Trump talked about bombing Iran back to the stone age or when he mocked the disabled. Their love for authoritarian "strong men" probably doesn't begin and end with Trump. 

I think you fail to understand how most Americans don't care much about international politics. And for those who do follow, anyone who lets the opinion of a foreign leader on a candidate influence their decision should rethink their cognitive abilities, if they can. And anyone who does would observe Russia's poor performance (understatement) in Ukraine, and give little to no thought of them as a real threat to the US, except of course when it comes to nuclear war potential. I believe in a conventional war, Poland and Germany (again) could give Russia a good spanking, but this time not get pushed back to Berlin.  

Funny too how most arguments in favor of Harris are comparisons to Trump, and not her actual policies. (Does she even know what she believes in?) 

[SoulMonster]

Just now, Sweersa said:

I think you fail to understand how most Americans don't care much about international politics.

No, I am very much aware of that. The lack of care reflects their lack of understanding. 

Putin is also aware of this and he knows that a Trump presidency, which leads to "America first" and a general shift of focus away from international security and policies, will give him freer reins to do what he wants. Specifically, he wants Trump to destabilize NATO which is the biggest obstacle to Putin's imperialistic objectives. What many Americans aren't aware of is that although they can feel safe tucked away across the Atlantic, further unrest and wars in Europe hurts the US, too. The global inflation, which the Biden administration has weathered remarkably well, is partly due to Russia's attack on Ukraine. No country is an island, the US would benefit from world stabilization. It would probably have a more positive impact on most people's economy than anything else.