The US Politics/Elections Thread 2.0

[DeNfr]

38 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Who knows what their motives are. Putin is ex-KGB, he's probably smarter than both of us combined, and that's not to compliment him. I'm sure he's a sick individual. 

Impossible to say for sure, but I do not believe Trump would have supported any war between Ukraine and Russia. 

Edited to add: Russia and Ukraine were part of the same country, they are not that different from one another. Both are largely corrupt, to about the same level according to the last information I read from the US government. Both were our enemy decades ago. The biggest mistake Ukraine did was to give up their nukes after the USSR fell. They did so, because they were told the west would help, should they ever needed it. For that reason, we need to support them to keep our word. It is unfortunate it came to such a brutal war and I hope it stops soon. 

last month, Trump claimed that Zelenskiy was partly responsible for starting the war. just imagine that.
he’s a traitor, and it’s quite likely he's a Russian asset.

anyway, enjoy your vote, this might be the last one for a long time.

[Sweersa]

40 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

last month, Trump claimed that Zelenskiy was partly responsible for starting the war. just imagine that.

It takes two, as they say. It's not sexy to surrender (except for the French) but maybe there could have been a non-violent solution or "deal" before the bombs were dropped. 

[SoulMonster]

8 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

It takes two, as they say. 

It takes two to get invaded by a foreign country? It also took two for Pearl Harbour to get attacked? It takes two for a wife-beater to smash her head in? It takes two for the directed attack on the Twin Towers? What the fuck nonsense are you spouting? The victim is NOT responsible.

Edited November 5 by SoulMonster

[WhazUp]

1 hour ago, Sweersa said:

 

Funny too how most arguments in favor of Harris are comparisons to Trump, and not her actual policies. (Does she even know what she believes in?) 

She has a 70+ page .pdf detailing her stances, policies and platform on her official website so I think she does know what she believes in

In a 1-versus-1 race, it is only natural to argue in terms of what one candidate offers that another candidate doesn't, or lacks severely, no?

 

 

Edited November 5 by WhazUp

[Sweersa]

8 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

It takes two to get invaded by a foreign country? It also took two for Pearl Harbour to get attacked? It takes two for a wife-beater to smash her head in? It takes two for the directed attack on the Twin Towers? What the fuck nonsense are you spouting? The victim is NOT responsible.

You know what I mean... Zelenskyy was banking on foreign assistance. That is foolish. Even with all of the help they are getting, look at how many lives have been lost. Ukraine alone wouldn't stand a chance against Russia, the war will last as long as the west keeps it going. The war should have never happened. Both countries are poor by our standards, but Russia has a much larger economy and population. It's a numbers game, Ukraine will lose if they don't get additional help. 

[Subtle Signs]

 

😂🤡

Lol. The tRump supporters will eat this up! Again, it's only cheating if he loses? Why wouldn't the Dems rig the Senate races too? If a Republican wins ,is their race rigged? No person has ever given me an answer. 

[ZoSoRose]

He’s a fucking jagoff

[Sweersa]

😊 

[Coma16]

Bloodbath

[Tom2112]

10 hours ago, DeNfr said:

last month, Trump claimed that Zelenskiy was partly responsible for starting the war. just imagine that.
he’s a traitor, and it’s quite likely he's a Russian asset.

anyway, enjoy your vote, this might be the last one for a long time.

Russian asset🤣 And Zelenksy did play a role in the escalation as did NATO. Obviously plenty of clowns that can't seem to put that together, but the information is there. Doesn't mean that Russia's invasion was right, just means that it absolutely wasn't an unprovoked invasion and anybody suggesting otherwise really cherrypicks the information they listen to. 

Also, this bullshit narrative that Trump as president is going to be this dictator refusing to allow future elections or accept the next winner.

Anyway, be nice you're talking about your President. To my sparring partners.... HA!!!!!!!! HA!!!!! you had this one coming🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[SoulMonster]

17 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Doesn't mean that Russia's invasion was right, just means that it absolutely wasn't an unprovoked invasion and anybody suggesting otherwise really cherrypicks the information they listen to. 

Provoked? Yes, Ukraine seeking stronger relations with NATO and the EU and thus weakening Russia's influence over Ukraine, certainly provoked Putin. Ukraine's resistance to Russia annexing Crimea also probably felt as a provocation to Russia. And yeah, their insistence on promoting Ukrainian language in westerns regions over Russian also provoked Putin. What the hell, do they think they are an autonomous nation and not part of the USSR? Why couldn't they just let Russia fuck them over instead of all this provocation?

Words matter, of course any war doesn't happen in a vacuum, there are things leading up to it, reasons why it happens, one thing follows another. But referring to the above as "provocation" of Russia is, well, taking directly out of Putin's own bullet points as justification for why he invaded a neighboring country. You explicitly states that the "provocations" didn't justify the invasion -- and good is that! -- still, by referring to autonomous decisions by an independent nation to go their own way in foreign politics away from under the shadow of Russia, as "provocations" you are, perhaps inadvertently, supporting those who actually think these "provocations" at some level not only explains but justifies the imperialistic attack on Ukraine.

[SoulMonster]

And that's really why Trump is such a bad choice, too. He doesn't understand these things either. He probably agrees with Putin on a lot re: Ukraine. Trump's "solution" is to support a peace treaty that provides Putin with his objectives: colonization of eastern part of Ukraine and a promise to not seek ties with the west in the future, basically forcing Ukraine back under Russia's shadow as a satellite colony. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a man like Trump, with apparently no moral anchoring, also admires Putin for the display of cruel strength. To Trump, and many of his supporters, it is not about being right or wrong, it is about might and strong.

[SoulMonster]

10 hours ago, Sweersa said:

You know what I mean... Zelenskyy was banking on foreign assistance. That is foolish. Even with all of the help they are getting, look at how many lives have been lost. Ukraine alone wouldn't stand a chance against Russia, the war will last as long as the west keeps it going. The war should have never happened. Both countries are poor by our standards, but Russia has a much larger economy and population. It's a numbers game, Ukraine will lose if they don't get additional help. 

I have no idea what argument you are making here or how it relates to my post. Seems a bit stream of consciousness-y.

[-W.A.R-]

If America ever learned anything it would be a first.

[SAU3R]

Well we are all fucked.
Orange man with the Senate on his side will cut support for Ukraine so Putin can seize the country (or at least big parts of it) and Trump can claim to have „ended“ the war (at the cost of Ukrainians having to live under occupation). And who knows, maybe that encourages Putin to go for Moldova or Georgia next…

Middle East will be fucked as Netanjahu can now do whatever he wants without having to fear any consequences from the US. I mean Trump literally encouraged Israel to attack Irans nuclear facilities just last month

Climate and environment will be fucked for another four years

Not even getting started on stuff like women’s rights, how he’ll treat migrants (separating families), the danger that he and his MAGA-fanatics are for the American democracy and how his politics will make the rich even richer and fuck the poor as he’ll financially ruin social security 

The only good thing is there won’t be another January 6 next year…
Fucking orange idiot, fucking outdated voting system and I can’t believe so many people are stupid and ignorant enough to vote him into office AGAIN

Germany where I live is far from perfect and has lots of political issues, but the US is just a political shitshow.

Fucking frustrating

[luciusfunk]

[DeNfr]

time to rewatch Idiocracy.
or the news.

goodluck to american citizens...especially women and minorities...

[Cosmo]

Damn, US… you guys sank so low. I really did not expect it to be this bad.

[grouse]

Democracy is idiocracy in the United states it seems. You guys are really trying your best to hit home the stereotype the world already has about the average American.

[rocknroll41]

Welp…

[estrangedtwat]

2 hours ago, SAU3R said:

Not even getting started on stuff like women’s rights,

 

Do you believe women and girls have the right to compete in sports without having to play biological males?

[Guest]

Fuck off

[jamillos]

He won.

The Earth keeps spinning. 

Just live your lives, folks. 

[SoulMonster]

4 minutes ago, estrangedtwat said:

Do you believe women and girls have the right to compete in sports without having to play biological males?

You are confusing women rights with trans' rights. You are confusing abortion rights with curiosa.

[Tom2112]

3 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Provoked? Yes, Ukraine seeking stronger relations with NATO and the EU and thus weakening Russia's influence over Ukraine, certainly provoked Putin. Ukraine's resistance to Russia annexing Crimea also probably felt as a provocation to Russia. And yeah, their insistence on promoting Ukrainian language in westerns regions over Russian also provoked Putin. What the hell, do they think they are an autonomous nation and not part of the USSR? Why couldn't they just let Russia fuck them over instead of all this provocation?

Words matter, of course any war doesn't happen in a vacuum, there are things leading up to it, reasons why it happens, one thing follows another. But referring to the above as "provocation" of Russia is, well, taking directly out of Putin's own bullet points as justification for why he invaded a neighboring country. You explicitly states that the "provocations" didn't justify the invasion -- and good is that! -- still, by referring to autonomous decisions by an independent nation to go their own way in foreign politics away from under the shadow of Russia, as "provocations" you are, perhaps inadvertently, supporting those who actually think these "provocations" at some level not only explains but justifies the imperialistic attack on Ukraine.

It's not Putin bullet points, it's looking at it with perspective. And once again, it doesn't justify it, it just explains how things came to be because if you listen to media one day out of nowhere Putin just decided to invade Ukraine and there was nothing that provoked such an action. We all know that is false, as you even pointed out things don't happen in a vacuum.

As for a political nation going their own way. That is very simplistic and kind of ignores the elephant in the room that for 20yrs prior Russia had been loudly opposing NATO expansion on its border. Again I go back to the Cold war analogy, Russia places missiles in Cuba, America loses its shit because they are too close to US cities. It's kinda hilarious not to see the similarities, the only difference is the viewing perspective, one is the leader of the free world and the other is big bad Russia "who can't be trusted". You might read this and say "that's what Putin says" but what can I do.

Is today a day for celebration, must we bicker😄