The US Politics/Elections Thread 2.0

[rocknroll41]

14 minutes ago, jamillos said:

He won.

The Earth keeps spinning. 

Just live your lives, folks. 

Yeah, “one day at a time” is how I’ve chosen to live for awhile now, and it’s helped me tremendously. For now, this doesn’t really impact me directly, and if it ever does, I’ll cross that bridge when I get there.

Edited November 6 by rocknroll41

[SoulMonster]

Isn't it utterly insane how to many young men it is more important to prevent biological men from competing in sports traditionally reserved for biological men, and vice versa, a phenomenon with an occurrence of maybe a few dozens, than to protect women's right to access to abortion, a question that affects most women in the US in their lives and about a million annually? Utterly insane. Feminism has a long way to go... 

[SoulMonster]

3 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

It's not Putin bullet points, it's looking at it with perspective. And once again, it doesn't justify it, it just explains how things came to be because if you listen to media one day out of nowhere Putin just decided to invade Ukraine and there was nothing that provoked such an action. We all know that is false, as you even pointed out things don't happen in a vacuum.

As for a political nation going their own way. That is very simplistic and kind of ignores the elephant in the room that for 20yrs prior Russia had been loudly opposing NATO expansion on its border. Again I go back to the Cold war analogy, Russia places missiles in Cuba, America loses its shit because they are too close to US cities. It's kinda hilarious not to see the similarities, the only difference is the viewing perspective, one is the leader of the free world and the other is big bad Russia "who can't be trusted". You might read this and say "that's what Putin says" but what can I do.

Is today a day for celebration, must we bicker😄

So you actually think seeking alliances and relationship with western countries is a "provocation"? You actually think being opposed to Russia annexing parts of Ukraine (Crimea) is a "provocation"? You honestly think that protecting Ukraine as a language in eastern region is a "provocation"? If so, what differs between you and Putin is simply that he acts on these "provocations" with force whereas you think that is going too far. You are halfway there by accepting his rationale for the invasion.

[Tom2112]

2 hours ago, SAU3R said:

Well we are all fucked.
Orange man with the Senate on his side will cut support for Ukraine so Putin can seize the country (or at least big parts of it) and Trump can claim to have „ended“ the war (at the cost of Ukrainians having to live under occupation). And who knows, maybe that encourages Putin to go for Moldova or Georgia next…

Middle East will be fucked as Netanjahu can now do whatever he wants without having to fear any consequences from the US. I mean Trump literally encouraged Israel to attack Irans nuclear facilities just last month

Climate and environment will be fucked for another four years

Not even getting started on stuff like women’s rights, how he’ll treat migrants (separating families), the danger that he and his MAGA-fanatics are for the American democracy and how his politics will make the rich even richer and fuck the poor as he’ll financially ruin social security 

The only good thing is there won’t be another January 6 next year…
Fucking orange idiot, fucking outdated voting system and I can’t believe so many people are stupid and ignorant enough to vote him into office AGAIN

Germany where I live is far from perfect and has lots of political issues, but the US is just a political shitshow.

Fucking frustrating

He won't beca good president. 

 

3 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

And that's really why Trump is such a bad choice, too. He doesn't understand these things either. He probably agrees with Putin on a lot re: Ukraine. Trump's "solution" is to support a peace treaty that provides Putin with his objectives: colonization of eastern part of Ukraine and a promise to not seek ties with the west in the future, basically forcing Ukraine back under Russia's shadow as a satellite colony. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if a man like Trump, with apparently no moral anchoring, also admires Putin for the display of cruel strength. To Trump, and many of his supporters, it is not about being right or wrong, it is about might and strong.

What is right about a country sending their young men to a sure death? If Ukraine wanted they could have ended the war 2 years ago, they refuse to negotiate with Russia and so the war continues, a war that the majority of analysts agree Ukrain cannot win. So why not discuss stopping the war? Why keep fighting? Maybe it's because Ukraine are so proud of their country and they don't want to give up (of course this true) AND it's also that they are operating under some poor advice to continue. The most likely outcome has been that Russia maintains the ground its taken and calls a ceasefire, this hasn't changed in 2yrs, the only change is where there is no talks, fighting continues and in Russia continues to pick up more and more Ukranian territory. 

You might ask "why should they negotiate", well what order option is there?

9 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

So you actually think seeking alliances and relationship with western countries is a "provocation"? You actually think being opposed to Russia annexing parts of Ukraine (Crimea) is a "provocation"? You honestly think that protecting Ukraine as a language in eastern region is a "provocation"? If so, what differs between you and Putin is simply that he acts on these "provocations" with force whereas you think that is going too far. You are halfway there by accepting his rationale for the invasion.

If you can't understand what I'm saying that's on you. 

[SAU3R]

39 minutes ago, estrangedtwat said:

 

Do you believe women and girls have the right to compete in sports without having to play biological males?

That’s not what I was talking about and you know that just as well as I do. 

[SoulMonster]

3 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

What is right about a country sending their young men to a sure death? If Ukraine wanted they could have ended the war 2 years ago, they refuse to negotiate with Russia and so the war continues, a war that the majority of analysts agree Ukrain cannot win. So why not discuss stopping the war? Why keep fighting? Maybe it's because Ukraine are so proud of their country and they don't want to give up (of course this true) AND it's also that they are operating under some poor advice to continue. The most likely outcome has been that Russia maintains the ground its taken and calls a ceasefire, this hasn't changed in 2yrs, the only change is where there is no talks, fighting continues and in Russia continues to pick up more and more Ukranian territory. 

You might ask "why should they negotiate", well what order option is there?

If you can't understand what I'm saying that's on you. 

Why keep fighting? Because the sooner they give up the fight the easier it will have been for Putin to take a piece of someone else's land, and that means he knows exactly how much it will cost him to take another piece, and another piece, and another piece. If Ukraine had just caved in immediately nothing would have prevented Putin from taking the entire land and be emboldened to continue with other former USSR states. The longer they fight for their independence against an invading force, the more it will cost Putin and the less likely he will be to ever make the mistake again. That's why we fight when someone attacks us. Even if we lose we might have prevented it from happening again if we just fought fiercely enough. War comes with a price. Thanks to Ukraine's valor, thanks to their incredible sacrifice, I feel confident Putin won't attempt something similar again, and Ukraine, when peace is brokered, can live with the knowledge that they didn't just abandon their land and their citizens, something that is essential for a nation's unity, pride and longevity.

Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing that they should fight for ever. But only Ukraine knows when it is enough, when the costs outweighs the benefits, when they can surrender land and accept peace terms. Until that happen we should support them with all we can because ultimately we might be next in land to suffer Putin's aggression. And it is not only countries in Russia's sphere of interest that run the risk of being attacked and have an interest in Ukraine putting up a firce fight to teach Putin a lesson, the outcome of the war on Ukraine -- and especially how other countries rallied to their defense -- will also influence actions by the Chinese (over Taiwan), North Korea (over South Korea), etc. It is about not just accepting that a big powerful nation can do whatever they want in this world, it is about retaining some kind of world order.

Yes, I really don't understand how you can agree that any of the examples I listed are actually "provocations". 

 

[Sweersa]

I was wrong. I thought the race would be a close one with only a slight Trump lead! 

[Twist Of Lime]

I love that Kamala has to certify her own loss.

[ZoSoRose]

Oh man. Oh well.

[Dazey]

Well that worked out well. 😂 

[cspalding22]

A lot of people on here need to get their Prozac prescriptions refilled. 

[Sausagebrain]

3 hours ago, Twist Of Lime said:

I love that Kamala has to certify her own loss.

And that's one of the honourable parts of the American system - when your time is up you have to play a full part in handing over to the next person (and not just storm off in a huff like a big baby). 

Other VPs who had to certify their loss in a general election were Gore (2001) and Nixon (in 1961). 

Edited November 6 by Sausagebrain

[Cosmo]

3 hours ago, Twist Of Lime said:

I love that Kamala has to certify her own loss.

And when she does, it will be one more proof of the tiny, whiny, pathetic man Donald Trump is.

[Sweersa]

Many of my friends are "leftists" and are losing it. Just relax, folks. The country has been through far tougher times. It will be ok. Take a breather, grab a drink, or a smoke, or a gummy, whatever is your vice.  

I was prepared for either candidate winning. 

[DeNfr]

spare a thought for the 45% of Latinos who voted for a guy who will likely deport them soon. 

[Nicklord]

Not that Kamala is one of a kind, amazing candidate (I'd rate her 3/10 as a presidential candidate) but electing a rapist and a convicted felon is truly something I don't remember happening in Western society for quite some time.

[janrichmond]

was it a big win? or a close thing?

 

[ZoSoRose]

15 minutes ago, janrichmond said:

was it a big win? or a close thing?

 

Technically it wasn't close considering he is getting all the swing states, and she didn't over- perform, anywhere. This was a conscious choice by the American public. I am extremely disappointed, considering I think both him and his voters are idiots, but there is no doubt he won the vote, last night.

The last 4- years clearly did not resonate with a lot of people.

 

[Coma16]

25 minutes ago, DeNfr said:

spare a thought for the 45% of Latinos who voted for a guy who will likely deport them soon. 

It's the illegal ones who might be deported.

[Cosmo]

8 minutes ago, Coma16 said:

It's the illegal ones who might be deported.

The legal ones will only be treated like lesser citizens by a government that endorses hate speech against them. 

[DeNfr]

until they vote laws to make them illegal too

[ZoSoRose]

Ah well, what are you gonna do?

Time to go back to talking about chinese democracy for the 38924t58293th time

[Graeme]

I genuinely cannot understand or relate to anyone who looks at Donald Trump and doesn't see all of the worst traits a human being can possess writ large. The sheer fucking arrogance, proud ignorance, lack of compassion, sleaziness, the endless lies, the refusal to self-reflect or accept any responsibility for anything... What the fuck is wrong with people?

[SoulMonster]

Just now, Graeme said:

I genuinely cannot understand or relate to anyone who looks at Donald Trump and doesn't see all of the worst traits a human being can possess writ large. The sheer fucking arrogance, proud ignorance, lack of compassion, sleaziness, the endless lies, the refusal to self-reflect or accept any responsibility for anything... What the fuck is wrong with people?

All of what you mention is less important to people than the hope that by electing Trump -- while holding their noses -- they will get better private economy. And then there are many who don't agree with you and I, and actually admire those traits in Trump that we find absolutely abhorrent. When push comes to shove, humans are pretty terrible and selfish.

[Subtle Signs]