The US Politics/Elections Thread 2.0

[ZoSoRose]

2 minutes ago, Subtle Signs said:

Funny how that works. 

[Sausagebrain]

41 minutes ago, Graeme said:

I genuinely cannot understand or relate to anyone who looks at Donald Trump and doesn't see all of the worst traits a human being can possess writ large. The sheer fucking arrogance, proud ignorance, lack of compassion, sleaziness, the endless lies, the refusal to self-reflect or accept any responsibility for anything... What the fuck is wrong with people?

Tell you what - the doublethink that some of Trump's supporters engage in is astonishing. 

They really think that a purely self interested billionaire* is going to make their lives better?

And they believe that QAnon BS about the Democrats and the pizza parlor, but conveniently overlook Trump's antics with Jeffrey Epstein. 

If you truly believe that Trump is a good guy who is on your side - get ready for a nasty shock. 

 

*(although he claims to be a mere millionaire when the IRS come calling)

[estrangedtwat]

5 hours ago, SAU3R said:

That’s not what I was talking about and you know that just as well as I do. 

You didn't answer the question.  Do you not stand up for women's rights?

[colonizedmind]

The power of the big lie has never been stronger...

Deception is the only winner today and in the long run...

There's gonna be a lot of buyers remorse.

Must be today's attention spans...have people forgotten how he ended last time? 

Oh well....have fun with RFK jr running your health system and when you need that life saving vaccine, don't cry to the rest of the sane world when he denies you it...

[colonizedmind]

Axl is super inspired to work on that follow up to CD now....

He's calling it - The Cat Amongst The FUCKING Pigeons.

Holy smokes....strap in, next 4 (or potentially more - he's gonna replace more justices isn't he and try and revoke the 2 term rules?!) gonna be wild AF

[Axls_Moustache_Rules]

Hahahaha

[Scream of the Butterfly]

Hopefully, RFK Jr running the health agencies is a good thing for women's rights, at least. He has stated that he supports abortion rights up to the point of fetal viability.

[cspalding22]

Where did 15 million democrats votes go yesterday?  Somehow they want me to believe Biden got 81 million votes, she got 66 million. Did 15 million Democrats stay home? Don't think so. 2020 was a fraud. Keep in mind, Trump got more votes in 2020 (74 million vs 71 million in 2024).

Edited November 6, 2024 by cspalding22

[Sweersa]

13 minutes ago, cspalding22 said:

Where did 15 million democrats votes go yesterday?

Probably to Trump!

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

America and the free world is doomed starting January. I can't believe with all Trump's insanity he was voted President again. And Elon and RFK will be in his cabinet. We can kiss our health care goodbye and probably our education system too.

Trump will destroy our democracy sooner rather later.  It's a nightmare come to life.

Texas also voted back Cruz who has nothing positive for Texas.

Most of the states have taken away most of women's rights and Trump will do the rest.

No one to blame but Americans who wouldn't vote for a woman. Rather have a white man in the WH who is totally nuts.

"Not where to run now where to hide bombs away, kiss it goodbye" Falling In Reverse

40 minutes ago, Scream of the Butterfly said:

Hopefully, RFK Jr running the health agencies is a good thing for women's rights, at least. He has stated that he supports abortion rights up to the point of fetal viability.

lol Not going to happen. He lies too. He will destroy our health system. If they take away Obama my brother won't have any insurance because he has a pre existing condition like many Americans.

2 hours ago, colonizedmind said:

The power of the big lie has never been stronger...

Deception is the only winner today and in the long run...

There's gonna be a lot of buyers remorse.

Must be today's attention spans...have people forgotten how he ended last time? 

Oh well....have fun with RFK jr running your health system and when you need that life saving vaccine, don't cry to the rest of the sane world when he denies you it...

I agree. Aren't you glad you don't like in America, but believe me the free world will feel this too.

[ZoSoRose]

13 minutes ago, cspalding22 said:

Where did 15 million democrats votes go yesterday?  Somehow they want me to believe Biden got 81 million votes, she got 66 million. Did 15 million Democrats stay home? Don't think so. 2020 was a fraud. Keep in mind, Trump got more votes in 2020 (74 million vs 71 million in 2024).

2020 was during the pandemic (which everyone seems to have forgotten about) which was a god- awful time for the world. It really was terrible. He fumbled how he handled it. Personally, I don't know how much more he could have done in terms of actions, but the way he trivialized it certainly caused a lot of problems that have had reverberations to this day. His own base even turned on him when he did try to do the right thing, like with promoting the vaccine. We also had all of the protests that year and it was all- in- all, a fucking awful time. It galvanized people to get out and just vote against him. Biden wasn't some incredibly loved or exciting candidate like Obama was in 2008, he was a safe, predictable alternative to Trump. I am not surprised he won and performed the way he did. 

This year, it just seems like people didn't feel the urgency against Trump or the GOP like they did in 2020. Democrats pushed that this would be the end of the USA and democracy and continued the "but it's Trump" argument the entire campaign. For me, that was enough but clearly that messaging did not resonate for a lot of people. Hope they are wrong about all that too and it was just fear- mongering. The Roe reversal is the one thing that truly freaked me out with the dangers of extremists in the government. Because of that, I believed that messaging to be viable. 

Truth be told, it has been a rough 4- years. It isn't all the government's fault, but it is easy to point fingers. I make a decent salary, and I even feel inflation pretty hard, now. Prices are high, job market isn't great, Russian invasion of Ukraine, Israel- Palestine- middle east conflict, Roe reversal... it hasn't been an easy 4- years. You can blame a lot of that on many things (GOP obviously could be blamed for the abortion issue), but people have goldfish brains. Plus, you have a ton of people who just don't care about things like that or for social issues. They care about themselves and their demographics and that is about it. 

This election should be a wake- up call for the entire world that unhappy people are going to lean right, unfortunately. I am surprised after 2020, 2022 since the USA seemed to reject MAGA, but we are where we are. Scary stuff!

[colonizedmind]

Elon and RFK in a cabinet, it's like some amateur YouTuber making a parody version of "House Of Cards"...

What next, Joe Rogan announced head of communication

and Hulk Hogan chief smackdown officer to attacking all political enemy and the press...

Jesus....Late night will have to start doing double shows to fit in all the material....

Edited November 6, 2024 by colonizedmind

[colonizedmind]

4 hours ago, ZoSoRose said:

2020 was during the pandemic (which everyone seems to have forgotten about) which was a god- awful time for the world. It really was terrible. He fumbled how he handled it. Personally, I don't know how much more he could have done in terms of actions, but the way he trivialized it certainly caused a lot of problems that have had reverberations to this day. His own base even turned on him when he did try to do the right thing, like with promoting the vaccine. We also had all of the protests that year and it was all- in- all, a fucking awful time. It galvanized people to get out and just vote against him. Biden wasn't some incredibly loved or exciting candidate like Obama was in 2008, he was a safe, predictable alternative to Trump. I am not surprised he won and performed the way he did. 

This year, it just seems like people didn't feel the urgency against Trump or the GOP like they did in 2020. Democrats pushed that this would be the end of the USA and democracy and continued the "but it's Trump" argument the entire campaign. For me, that was enough but clearly that messaging did not resonate for a lot of people. Hope they are wrong about all that too and it was just fear- mongering. The Roe reversal is the one thing that truly freaked me out with the dangers of extremists in the government. Because of that, I believed that messaging to be viable. 

Truth be told, it has been a rough 4- years. It isn't all the government's fault, but it is easy to point fingers. I make a decent salary, and I even feel inflation pretty hard, now. Prices are high, job market isn't great, Russian invasion of Ukraine, Israel- Palestine- middle east conflict, Roe reversal... it hasn't been an easy 4- years. You can blame a lot of that on many things (GOP obviously could be blamed for the abortion issue), but people have goldfish brains. Plus, you have a ton of people who just don't care about things like that or for social issues. They care about themselves and their demographics and that is about it. 

This election should be a wake- up call for the entire world that unhappy people are going to lean right, unfortunately. I am surprised after 2020, 2022 since the USA seemed to reject MAGA, but we are where we are. Scary stuff!

"They're testing too much

...the only reason our numbers are high is because we're testing like crazy"

I mean, some of his statements you genuinely have to question - is he for real that dumb or is he trolling you? Surely, you have to consider the latter....

He definitely, while next to Biden looks good, but he's aged! He was slurring during that Musk interview and at one his last rallies clearly exhausted, was not speaking very clearly at all...Trump into his 80s....😵

How many more attempts on his life between now and January? 

Edited November 7, 2024 by colonizedmind

[ZoSoRose]

1 minute ago, colonizedmind said:

"They're testing too much

...the only reason our numbers are high is because we're testing like crazy"

I mean, some of his statements you genuinely have to question - is he for real that dumb or is he trolling you? Surely, you have to consider the latter....

He definitely, while next to Biden looks good, he's aged! He was slurring during that Musk interview and at one his last rallies clearly exhausted, was not speaking very clearly at all...Trump into his 80s....😵

How many more attempts on his life between now and January? 

Oh yeah, he said the dumbest shit during the pandemic. Terrifying that he was in- charge. When I refer to actions, I mean stuff like the government money, the vaccine push, the quarantines, etc. That stuff all made sense at the time. What he said was stupid as fuck, and pushing his dumb- fuck conspiracy theories and villainizing doctors like Fauci was criminal. 

He isn't fit, he wasn't in 2016, either. But all the evidence is out there clear as day. If you listen to him speak and still go for him, well, then he isn't the big problem, anymore. America straight- up chose him this election. No trickery, no popular vs. electoral vote, he just won. 

[colonizedmind]

5 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

Oh yeah, he said the dumbest shit during the pandemic. Terrifying that he was in- charge. When I refer to actions, I mean stuff like the government money, the vaccine push, the quarantines, etc. That stuff all made sense at the time. What he said was stupid as fuck, and pushing his dumb- fuck conspiracy theories and villainizing doctors like Fauci was criminal. 

He isn't fit, he wasn't in 2016, either. But all the evidence is out there clear as day. If you listen to him speak and still go for him, well, then he isn't the big problem, anymore. America straight- up chose him this election. No trickery, no popular vs. electoral vote, he just won. 

Yep....and what he is very very good is a the con....it's been his entire life since the 70s. The Apprentice film showed how he got started and it's served him all his life....

This is the long con now though....

Hey! Trump fans...If Ukraine and Russia are still at it on January 21st,  who do we aim our vitriol at?

[cspalding22]

1 hour ago, Sweersa said:

Probably to Trump!

Nope, he got less votes than 2020. Makes you wonder about election integrity in 2020.

[colonizedmind]

Ok...bit of social truth (rather than truth social 😆)

Trump and it has been mentioned but it can't be underestimated its importance, he makes the disillusioned, downtrodden, disenfranchised and those that are struggling in a tough climate feel heard. Through fear he effectively pits them against enemies he creates (both real but mostly hugely hyperbolic), whereas the Dems I'm sure care but don't seem to have the direct presentational style to break through and showcase that...

He does, with simple, at times vulgar actions(ever more) & lauguage. Yes, in 2024, pretending to deep throat a mic and pleasure it, gets you everyday dude points and not the seed him to the wacko looney bin with a certain crowd, who see themselves and like the random quackery/locker room vibe of don't give a fuck!! And frankly, they love even more the 100s of vids/articles of outrage which will follow such actions...as they love to see MSM pissed.

Ok....but please don't tell me you don't know he's playing you? He was before this a performance artist, ya know?  He always be....

He may be able to say and make you feel it....but absence from said delivery, do you think you're anything more than just a meal ticket back into power for him? 

Do you really think Donald Trump the apparent billionare cares about anyone that isn't a billionaire and that can't help make him richer or donate to make him more powerful? 

There's very little evidence to the contrary, so he really has played a blinder of a performance to convince of delivery and not simply rheretoric 

Some that think he'll get shit done! Ok...fine....let's see.

It's the ones that genuinely think he cares that are truly lost on me....

Edited November 6, 2024 by colonizedmind

[Tom2112]

11 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Why keep fighting? Because the sooner they give up the fight the easier it will have been for Putin to take a piece of someone else's land, and that means he knows exactly how much it will cost him to take another piece, and another piece, and another piece. If Ukraine had just caved in immediately nothing would have prevented Putin from taking the entire land and be emboldened to continue with other former USSR states. The longer they fight for their independence against an invading force, the more it will cost Putin and the less likely he will be to ever make the mistake again. That's why we fight when someone attacks us. Even if we lose we might have prevented it from happening again if we just fought fiercely enough. War comes with a price. Thanks to Ukraine's valor, thanks to their incredible sacrifice, I feel confident Putin won't attempt something similar again, and Ukraine, when peace is brokered, can live with the knowledge that they didn't just abandon their land and their citizens, something that is essential for a nation's unity, pride and longevity.

Don't get me wrong, I am not arguing that they should fight for ever. But only Ukraine knows when it is enough, when the costs outweighs the benefits, when they can surrender land and accept peace terms. Until that happen we should support them with all we can because ultimately we might be next in land to suffer Putin's aggression. And it is not only countries in Russia's sphere of interest that run the risk of being attacked and have an interest in Ukraine putting up a firce fight to teach Putin a lesson, the outcome of the war on Ukraine -- and especially how other countries rallied to their defense -- will also influence actions by the Chinese (over Taiwan), North Korea (over South Korea), etc. It is about not just accepting that a big powerful nation can do whatever they want in this world, it is about retaining some kind of world order.

Yes, I really don't understand how you can agree that any of the examples I listed are actually "provocations". 

 

What other piece can Putin take? He invades a NATO country and he is in direct conflict and will be met with resistance from all countries. They are safe, it just makes for great propaganda to suggest Putin won't stop and he'll take over Europe etc. If Russia does anything it will not be an invasion. It will be cyber a war. Russia know that they cannot defeat NATO directly, and they don't want to risk their own safety and sovereignty and by invading a NATO partner they open that door. And people would be beyond delusional to not register that the US would love to replace Putin and whoever else might be oppositional and have access to all that Russian gas/oil.

Agreed that it's likely the Chinese/ north Koreans are watching this war, but with or without a Ukraine/Russia war those conflicts are on a one way ticket, that's always been a matter of when rather than an if. I'm surprised neither has made a move yet tbh. "It is about not just accepting that a big powerful nation can do whatever they want in this world, it is about retaining some kind of world order." The irony of this statement, you do realise Russia isn't the only game in town illegally invading countries? 

[bumcheecksmcghee]

Thought I'd swing by an see the tears in the thread. As a non American it's funny seeing how liberal people are so sensitive, one minute it's all we got this, insert A list celeb here, yep in the bag.. gonna beat the "bad orange man" lol... outside of the USA it's hilarious. 

Also the biggest sh1t talker in the forum has been pretty quiet ?? Where ya been mate?? Been a few days since you posted ya spew an hatred rhetoric.. bit salty are ya the incompetent last minute nominee didn't getcha over the line???

congrats to all the Americans who went out and voted and the ones that voted with policy over personality. 👍🫡🔥

 

 

[SoulMonster]

5 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

What other piece can Putin take? He invades a NATO country and he is in direct conflict and will be met with resistance from all countries. They are safe, it just makes for great propaganda to suggest Putin won't stop and he'll take over Europe etc. If Russia does anything it will not be an invasion. It will be cyber a war. Russia know that they cannot defeat NATO directly, and they don't want to risk their own safety and sovereignty and by invading a NATO partner they open that door. And people would be beyond delusional to not register that the US would love to replace Putin and whoever else might be oppositional and have access to all that Russian gas/oil.

Agreed that it's likely the Chinese/ north Koreans are watching this war, but with or without a Ukraine/Russia war those conflicts are on a one way ticket, that's always been a matter of when rather than an if. I'm surprised neither has made a move yet tbh. "It is about not just accepting that a big powerful nation can do whatever they want in this world, it is about retaining some kind of world order." The irony of this statement, you do realise Russia isn't the only game in town illegally invading countries? 

What pieces of land Putin can take? Well obviously further pieces of Ukraine, especially Zaporizhzia which connect Luhansk (which he aims to get in a peace agreement with Ukraine*) in the west with Crimea (which he annexed in 2014), securing a land corridor between Russia and the Black Sea which is strategically very important for further expansion, protection and control. Then there are other states nearby that he might feel are starting to get ripe for the taking, like Georgia and Moldovia, both countries he has already started to prepare through election interference where he has tried to make the governments pro-Russia. Next steps will be to fuel conflicts in regions close to Russia which will allow him to send in troops for "peace-keeping".

As for NATO: Of course Putin won't attack a NATO country now. That's not realistic at all. But one of the reasons he was hoping for Trump to become the next president of the US is of course the hope that Trump will leave the alliance, something he has threatened to do. Putin will continue to try to sow discontent in NATO and hope that at some point it will cease to be a deterrent to continued Russian expansion. Key to this is likely Turkey, and it is going to be interesting to see what Russia will do to further set Turkey up against the rest of the alliance.

Yes, I do know that many countries have and will invade other countries without casus belli or UN support. Is your argument that since other countries do this we shouldn't worry about Russia doing it, too? There has been a global trend, at least in the western world, that even in conflicts there are rules and laws. 

* Trump will attempt to broker peace between Russia and Ukraine but Russia will only accept a peace agreement if the reward is at least Luhansk and guarantees that Ukraine will not seek NATO or EU membership. Ukraine will of course reject such a deal which is basically a capitulation and puts them in a terrible position when Russia attacks the next time. Trump will get angry because it proves he was full of shit and not such a great negotiator after all and block further support of Ukraine. With reduced support from the US, Ukraine is forced to accept Russia's terms and voila, a piece of Ukraine land has become part of imperialistic Russia and Putin is one step closer of getting land access to the Black Sea.

 

1 hour ago, bumcheecksmcghee said:

Also the biggest sh1t talker in the forum has been pretty quiet ?? Where ya been mate?? Been a few days since you posted ya spew an hatred rhetoric.. bit salty are ya the incompetent last minute nominee didn't getcha over the line???

Who are you talking about? I honestly can't tell.

[WhazUp]

1 hour ago, bumcheecksmcghee said:

Thought I'd swing by an see the tears in the thread. As a non American it's funny seeing how liberal people are so sensitive, one minute it's all we got this, insert A list celeb here, yep in the bag.. gonna beat the "bad orange man" lol... outside of the USA it's hilarious. 

 

 

I don't know if Ukrainians outside the US are sharing with you, the sense of lighthearted comedy and entertainment that you are getting from it all

[janrichmond]

5 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

7 hours ago, bumcheecksmcghee said:

 

Who are you talking about? I honestly can't tell.

maybe the deadturtle guy?

 

[SoulMonster]

8 minutes ago, janrichmond said:

maybe the deadturtle guy?

Ah, of course! That fits.

[Sausagebrain]

8 hours ago, WhazUp said:

I don't know if Ukrainians outside the US are sharing with you, the sense of lighthearted comedy and entertainment that you are getting from it all

Quite. 

The only people outside of the US who are going to be laughing are Putin and Xi Jinping. 

Putin - after Trump clears the way for him to install a Lukashenko-esque puppet in Kiex

Xi - after Trump removes any threat of the US intervening if mainland China re-takes Taiwan.

For the rest of you who are finding it hilarious how Trump is 'owning the libs' - tell me how you are feeling in four year after Trump's imminent reign of error. 

[cspalding22]

1 hour ago, Sausagebrain said:

Quite. 

The only people outside of the US who are going to be laughing are Putin and Xi Jinping. 

Putin - after Trump clears the way for him to install a Lukashenko-esque puppet in Kiex

Xi - after Trump removes any threat of the US intervening if mainland China re-takes Taiwan.

For the rest of you who are finding it hilarious how Trump is 'owning the libs' - tell me how you are feeling in four year after Trump's imminent reign of error. 

Your name fits you perfectly.  Perhaps sh*t for brains would be more accurate