The US Politics/Elections Thread 2.0

[Sausagebrain]

55 minutes ago, cspalding22 said:

Your name fits you perfectly.  Perhaps sh*t for brains would be more accurate 

Very good. 

 

Care to respond to my points?

[Sweersa]

4 hours ago, Sausagebrain said:

For the rest of you who are finding it hilarious how Trump is 'owning the libs' - tell me how you are feeling in four year after Trump's imminent reign of error. 

Did you forget we already had 4 years of Trump? I'm pretty sure it will more or less be the same as it has been.

The sky is falling!  

[Tom2112]

14 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

What pieces of land Putin can take? Well obviously further pieces of Ukraine, especially Zaporizhzia which connect Luhansk (which he aims to get in a peace agreement with Ukraine*) in the west with Crimea (which he annexed in 2014), securing a land corridor between Russia and the Black Sea which is strategically very important for further expansion, protection and control. Then there are other states nearby that he might feel are starting to get ripe for the taking, like Georgia and Moldovia, both countries he has already started to prepare through election interference where he has tried to make the governments pro-Russia. Next steps will be to fuel conflicts in regions close to Russia which will allow him to send in troops for "peace-keeping".

As for NATO: Of course Putin won't attack a NATO country now. That's not realistic at all. But one of the reasons he was hoping for Trump to become the next president of the US is of course the hope that Trump will leave the alliance, something he has threatened to do. Putin will continue to try to sow discontent in NATO and hope that at some point it will cease to be a deterrent to continued Russian expansion. Key to this is likely Turkey, and it is going to be interesting to see what Russia will do to further set Turkey up against the rest of the alliance.

Yes, I do know that many countries have and will invade other countries without casus belli or UN support. Is your argument that since other countries do this we shouldn't worry about Russia doing it, too? There has been a global trend, at least in the western world, that even in conflicts there are rules and laws. 

* Trump will attempt to broker peace between Russia and Ukraine but Russia will only accept a peace agreement if the reward is at least Luhansk and guarantees that Ukraine will not seek NATO or EU membership. Ukraine will of course reject such a deal which is basically a capitulation and puts them in a terrible position when Russia attacks the next time. Trump will get angry because it proves he was full of shit and not such a great negotiator after all and block further support of Ukraine. With reduced support from the US, Ukraine is forced to accept Russia's terms and voila, a piece of Ukraine land has become part of imperialistic Russia and Putin is one step closer of getting land access to the Black Sea.

 

Who are you talking about? I honestly can't tell.

If they refuse to co-operate he will start to limit the supply of weapons, eventually they will have to accept that part of their realistic future is those areas under Rissian occupation. 

No my point wasn't that others do it so Russia can to, it was that others do it and DO NOT act according to the law, in fact they directly stick their tongues put when the ICJ suggesting breeches of international law. America for example has their own legal meandering around the ICJ and have done so many illegal things there would be bobody levt to run the country, Israel is caught several times breeching the rules. The rule of law is essentially a loose guideline for these countries including Russia.

[Sausagebrain]

1 hour ago, Sweersa said:

Did you forget we already had 4 years of Trump? I'm pretty sure it will more or less be the same as it has been.

The sky is falling!  

Yes I remember. And amongst other things unemployment, the trade deficit and illegal immigration increased during that time. (Source - factcheck.org)

I also remember the constant drama and nonsense which dominated political discourse since that fateful day he came down that escalator in Trump Tower. (Although all sides were responsible for that, not just the right). 

And I also remember January 6 2021. Although the democratic institutions of America held up, Trump and the MAGA mob did come close to kicking them down. 

And what is there to stop him going further this time around? He has a cowed Republican majority in both houses and a Supreme Court tilted heavily in his favour. There also the prospect of him packing the federal civil service with a vastly increased number of political hacks. 

And speaking of the Supreme Court - let's not forget their ruling in 'Trump Vs United States', which was widely i could give the President legal immunity for any 'official' act. 

Ok - a lot can happen in four years, and my money is on the sky not having fallen in come this time in 2028. Despite all of those factors that may embolden Trump to rule in an authoritarian way, I still think that constitutional checks and balances (and whatever is left of an informed citizenry) will thwart any designs he may have on being a true dictator. And after all, he only had four years left (I can't see any attempt to amend the constitutionally defined Presidential term limits -  getting very far. 

But I do see that America's standing in the world - both materially and reputationally, continuing to sink lower, as your politicians (on both sides) waste more energy on partisan bickering and ideological score settling and the enemies of the West take advantage of the void that this will leave in the leadership of the free world. 

 

 

 

[Sweersa]

11 minutes ago, Sausagebrain said:

But I do see that America's standing in the world - both materially and reputationally, continuing to sink lower, as your politicians (on both sides) waste more energy on partisan bickering and ideological score settling and the enemies of the West take advantage of the void that this will leave in the leadership of the free world. 

 

 

 

Yes, I'm with you there. People worried about which bathrooms to use while wars are waging in europe and the middle east. 

[evilfacelessturtle]

18 hours ago, bumcheecksmcghee said:

Thought I'd swing by an see the tears in the thread. As a non American it's funny seeing how liberal people are so sensitive, one minute it's all we got this, insert A list celeb here, yep in the bag.. gonna beat the "bad orange man" lol... outside of the USA it's hilarious. 

Also the biggest sh1t talker in the forum has been pretty quiet ?? Where ya been mate?? Been a few days since you posted ya spew an hatred rhetoric.. bit salty are ya the incompetent last minute nominee didn't getcha over the line???

congrats to all the Americans who went out and voted and the ones that voted with policy over personality. 👍🫡🔥

Damn, I'm living DEEP in your head rent free, huh?

I love how hysterically triggered rightists get when somebody uses their own medicine against them. If I'm a "sh*t talker", then you're only pointing the finger at yourself because I learned every tactic I use from y'all.

"spew an hatred rhetoric.. bit salty are ya the incompetent last minute nominee"

Yes, I'm the sh*t talker... 

Literally nobody said it was in the bag, you'd know that if you weren't so afraid to step outside your rightist safe-space media bubble.

Anyway, stay triggered, my cupcakes! You've only strengthened our resolve to drain the swamp. 

[evilfacelessturtle]

4 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Did you forget we already had 4 years of Trump? I'm pretty sure it will more or less be the same as it has been.

The sky is falling!  

We've already explained this to you, but of course rightists are too chicken to read anything that challenges them.

He now has a VP that will go along with an attempt to steal the election by sending fake electors to Congress.

He no longer has any of the moderate Republicans in his administration who just barely held the most basic safeguards of Democracy and limiting executive power.

No more Bill Barr to reject his fake elector hoax at the Attorney General office.

"Someone who engaged in that kind of bullying about a process that is fundamental to our system and to our self-government shouldn’t be anywhere near the Oval Office.” - Bill Barr

No more Mark Esper refuse to invoke the Insurrection Act against BLM protestors and send in the military to "dominate the battlespace".

No more Mark Esper to protect the troops from a deadly disease that Trump does not take seriously.

“I think he’s unfit for office. … He puts himself before country. His actions are all about him and not about the country. And then, of course, I believe he has integrity and character issues as well.”

No more Rex Tillerson to refuse to "increase the nuclear arsenal tenfold".

“(Trump’s) understanding of global events, his understanding of global history, his understanding of US history was really limited. It’s really hard to have a conversation with someone who doesn’t even understand the concept for why we’re talking about this.”

No more Nikki Haley, to refuse to go along with a Muslim ban.

“He used to be good on foreign policy and now he has started to walk it back and get weak in the knees when it comes to Ukraine. A terrible thing happened on January 6 and he called it a beautiful day.”

No more H.R. McMaster to contradict Trump's lies that Russia did not intervene in the election.

 “We saw the absence of leadership, really anti-leadership, and what that can do to our country.”

No more John Bolton to "hold him back" on Cuba and Venezuela.

“I believe (foreign leaders) think he is a laughing fool.”

No more Richard Spencer to refuse to violate his oath of office.

"I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States."

“…the president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices.”

No more General James Mattis to push back on Trump's gullibility to authoritarian actors like Putin and maintain relationships with allies in spite of Trump's desire to weaken and isolate America.

"Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people – does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us." - Mattis

No more Mick Mulvaney to admit that Trump pressured Ukraine to get dirt in Biden.

“I quit because I think he failed at being the president when we needed him to be that.”

No more John Kelley and Mark Milley to recognize Fascism:

“He is the most dangerous person ever. I had suspicions when I talked to you about his mental decline and so forth, but now I realize he’s a total fascist. He is now the most dangerous person to this country,” - General Mark Milley

“A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us.” - General John Kelley

And of course, worst of all, he is no longer bound by the law, according to the activist judges he appointed to the Supreme Court.

 

Why does everyone that worked with him, all Republicans, say he's a moron and danger to the country?

[Ace Spade]

I don't vote. I don't like any Politicians.

However, Trump 2 is a well deserved Bitch Slap to the now Marxist left. 

[evilfacelessturtle]

4 hours ago, Sausagebrain said:

Yes I remember. And amongst other things unemployment, the trade deficit and illegal immigration increased during that time. (Source - factcheck.org)

I also remember the constant drama and nonsense which dominated political discourse since that fateful day he came down that escalator in Trump Tower. (Although all sides were responsible for that, not just the right). 

And I also remember January 6 2021. Although the democratic institutions of America held up, Trump and the MAGA mob did come close to kicking them down. 

And what is there to stop him going further this time around? He has a cowed Republican majority in both houses and a Supreme Court tilted heavily in his favour. There also the prospect of him packing the federal civil service with a vastly increased number of political hacks. 

And speaking of the Supreme Court - let's not forget their ruling in 'Trump Vs United States', which was widely i could give the President legal immunity for any 'official' act. 

Ok - a lot can happen in four years, and my money is on the sky not having fallen in come this time in 2028. Despite all of those factors that may embolden Trump to rule in an authoritarian way, I still think that constitutional checks and balances (and whatever is left of an informed citizenry) will thwart any designs he may have on being a true dictator. And after all, he only had four years left (I can't see any attempt to amend the constitutionally defined Presidential term limits -  getting very far. 

But I do see that America's standing in the world - both materially and reputationally, continuing to sink lower, as your politicians (on both sides) waste more energy on partisan bickering and ideological score settling and the enemies of the West take advantage of the void that this will leave in the leadership of the free world. 

I saw this comment elsewhere and I think it illustrates well how most people won't even realize their country is sliding into authoritarianism:

"Look, here in Poland we had absolutely terrible government for 8 years. They were robbing the country of money, they were destroying democracy, they've destroyed the justice system, they created propaganda in state TV that looked like the one in North Korea and Russia, they destroyed our relationship with other countries and EU and they were selling our goods to China. Once, they literally sent out military to the streets to suppress women's protests. All these things that they did are completely okay to people that were voting for them, and what's funny, are still voting for them. Some people will never understand it and that's the sad truth."

People living in Hungary will tell you the same story. Trump and the GOP love Victor Orban, too. But they're not authoritarians, how dare you!

[Sweersa]

19 minutes ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

We've already explained this to you, but of course rightists are too chicken to read anything that challenges them.

He now has a VP that will go along with an attempt to steal the election by sending fake electors to Congress.

He no longer has any of the moderate Republicans in his administration who just barely held the most basic safeguards of Democracy and limiting executive power.

No more Bill Barr to reject his fake elector hoax at the Attorney General office.

"Someone who engaged in that kind of bullying about a process that is fundamental to our system and to our self-government shouldn’t be anywhere near the Oval Office.” - Bill Barr

No more Mark Esper refuse to invoke the Insurrection Act against BLM protestors and send in the military to "dominate the battlespace".

No more Mark Esper to protect the troops from a deadly disease that Trump does not take seriously.

“I think he’s unfit for office. … He puts himself before country. His actions are all about him and not about the country. And then, of course, I believe he has integrity and character issues as well.”

No more Rex Tillerson to refuse to "increase the nuclear arsenal tenfold".

“(Trump’s) understanding of global events, his understanding of global history, his understanding of US history was really limited. It’s really hard to have a conversation with someone who doesn’t even understand the concept for why we’re talking about this.”

No more Nikki Haley, to refuse to go along with a Muslim ban.

“He used to be good on foreign policy and now he has started to walk it back and get weak in the knees when it comes to Ukraine. A terrible thing happened on January 6 and he called it a beautiful day.”

No more H.R. McMaster to contradict Trump's lies that Russia did not intervene in the election.

 “We saw the absence of leadership, really anti-leadership, and what that can do to our country.”

No more John Bolton to "hold him back" on Cuba and Venezuela.

“I believe (foreign leaders) think he is a laughing fool.”

No more Richard Spencer to refuse to violate his oath of office.

"I cannot in good conscience obey an order that I believe violates the sacred oath I took in the presence of my family, my flag and my faith to support and defend the Constitution of the United States."

“…the president has very little understanding of what it means to be in the military, to fight ethically or to be governed by a uniform set of rules and practices.”

No more General James Mattis to push back on Trump's gullibility to authoritarian actors like Putin and maintain relationships with allies in spite of Trump's desire to weaken and isolate America.

"Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people – does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us." - Mattis

No more Mick Mulvaney to admit that Trump pressured Ukraine to get dirt in Biden.

“I quit because I think he failed at being the president when we needed him to be that.”

No more John Kelley and Mark Milley to recognize Fascism:

“He is the most dangerous person ever. I had suspicions when I talked to you about his mental decline and so forth, but now I realize he’s a total fascist. He is now the most dangerous person to this country,” - General Mark Milley

“A person that has nothing but contempt for our democratic institutions, our Constitution, and the rule of law. There is nothing more that can be said. God help us.” - General John Kelley

And of course, worst of all, he is no longer bound by the law, according to the activist judges he appointed to the Supreme Court.

 

Why does everyone that worked with him, all Republicans, say he's a moron and danger to the country?

I'm relieved to see you survived the results of the American election! 

[evilfacelessturtle]

On 11/6/2024 at 2:37 PM, cspalding22 said:

Where did 15 million democrats votes go yesterday?  Somehow they want me to believe Biden got 81 million votes, she got 66 million. Did 15 million Democrats stay home? Don't think so. 2020 was a fraud. Keep in mind, Trump got more votes in 2020 (74 million vs 71 million in 2024).

Harris wins: "The election was rigged!"

Harris loses: "This proves 2020 was rigged!"

Remember the game, folks: "Heads I win, tails you lose."

8 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I'm relieved to see you survived the results of the American election! 

Unlike the red states living off the welfare money that blue urban areas produce, we all went back to our jobs the next day and didn't storm the capitol like Fascists. We also didn't lie about it being stolen like the sore losers on the right.

[bumcheecksmcghee]

18 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

I'm relieved to see you survived the results of the American election! 

Yep... took him 48 hours, but he still has the sooks on lol... probably been watching kimmel on repeat having a cry along with him, rewind, rinse an repeat. 

 

[bumcheecksmcghee]

13 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Ah, of course! That fits.

Although I don't always agree on some of the things you say on the forum i respect your tone and your opinion. 

I thought it was pretty clear who it was, as they have finally re appeared today an hilariously haven't let me down with their delusional posts.

State of grace 2025 🙏🤘

[cspalding22]

27 minutes ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

Harris wins: "The election was rigged!"

Harris loses: "This proves 2020 was rigged!"

Remember the game, folks: "Heads I win, tails you lose."

Unlike the red states living off the welfare money that blue urban areas produce, we all went back to our jobs the next day and didn't storm the capitol like Fascists. We also didn't lie about it being stolen like the sore losers on the right.

Nope, just wondering where millions of voters went. Just disappeared like a fart in the wind. He got roughly the same # of votes. She got about the same as Obama. But crusty pants was able to get 81 million votes. Nothing gets Dems to the poles like an old white guy I guess, but then again your party has always been about race. Ask Jefferson Davis.

[Sweersa]

1 hour ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

Harris wins: "The election was rigged!"

Harris loses: "This proves 2020 was rigged!"

Remember the game, folks: "Heads I win, tails you lose."

Unlike the red states living off the welfare money that blue urban areas produce, we all went back to our jobs the next day and didn't storm the capitol like Fascists. We also didn't lie about it being stolen like the sore losers on the right.

It should be hard for you to be calling people sore losers after what happened with this election 😂 

She didn’t even win the popular vote. If Kamala won the popular vote, you know the left would be bitching about the electoral college. Wow. Guess they should have kept Biden pepped up for the candidacy. 

[WhazUp]

IMO the worst thing that these politicians are pepetuating is the ongoing encouraging of the American people to treat red and blue like football teams that must "win" rather than encouraging discourse that enourages compromise and working alongside each other

The left does it, the right does it, and man, is Trump sure the king at it too.  He is going to stoke the flames of bad discourse super hard

 

It is a shame Trump's cult of personality presence is what is dominating when there are some much more level-headed politicians that identify right of center, that would at least try and put fires out instead of adding coal to it all

 

Hell even going back to Obama/Romney in 2012, I disagree with Romney on many issues however I would never doubt that he truly believes in putting nation over self.  And McCain, who defended Obama at one of his rallies.  That type of good faith acting is not anything I have ever seen with Trump

Edited November 8, 2024 by WhazUp

[cspalding22]

12 hours ago, WhazUp said:

IMO the worst thing that these politicians are pepetuating is the ongoing encouraging of the American people to treat red and blue like football teams that must "win" rather than encouraging discourse that enourages compromise and working alongside each other

The left does it, the right does it, and man, is Trump sure the king at it too.  He is going to stoke the flames of bad discourse super hard

 

It is a shame Trump's cult of personality presence is what is dominating when there are some much more level-headed politicians that identify right of center, that would at least try and put fires out instead of adding coal to it all

 

Hell even going back to Obama/Romney in 2012, I disagree with Romney on many issues however I would never doubt that he truly believes in putting nation over self.  And McCain, who defended Obama at one of his rallies.  That type of good faith acting is not anything I have ever seen with Trump

They called him Hitler. 

[Axls_Moustache_Rules]

I'm glad you guys are handling this well

[Sweersa]

13 hours ago, WhazUp said:

Hell even going back to Obama/Romney in 2012, I disagree with Romney on many issues however I would never doubt that he truly believes in putting nation over self.  

That was the first election I was old enough to vote in. I didn't like either candidate, so I wrote in Ron Paul's name. 

[Graeme]

I see no shame in being upset about it, it's a fucking awful state of affairs. 

[WhazUp]

1 hour ago, cspalding22 said:

They called him Hitler. 

And the other "they" called the opposing side plenty of names too.  Hell Trump called Kamala a Marxist (using such a term of an inaccurate synonym to anyone left of center), labeled folks as the "enemy within",  etc.   I see political rhetoric in the US only regressing with such a personality in the White House sadly

[WhazUp]

3 hours ago, Sweersa said:

That was the first election I was old enough to vote in. I didn't like either candidate, so I wrote in Ron Paul's name. 

In retrospect, that election to me feels like the last relatively normal election we had - and even then their was some very "us versus them" rhetoric going on.  But 2015-onwards just feels like a fever dream that is a result of Marty McFly accidently creating an alternate reality Hill Valley where everything seems off and nobody gets along with each other

[ZoSoRose]

Just now, WhazUp said:

In retrospect, that election to me feels like the last relatively normal election we had - and even then their was some very "us versus them" rhetoric going on.  But 2015-onwards just feels like a fever dream that is a result of Marty McFly accidently creating an alternate reality Hill Valley where everything seems off and nobody gets along with each other

We’re not too far from BttF part 2! 

What a great movie

[Sweersa]

26 minutes ago, WhazUp said:

In retrospect, that election to me feels like the last relatively normal election we had - and even then their was some very "us versus them" rhetoric going on.  But 2015-onwards just feels like a fever dream that is a result of Marty McFly accidently creating an alternate reality Hill Valley where everything seems off and nobody gets along with each other

It really was pretty "tame" for lack of a better word back then. When the candidates were more or less "normal". 

[Sausagebrain]

5 hours ago, WhazUp said:

And the other "they" called the opposing side plenty of names too.  Hell Trump called Kamala a Marxist (using such a term of an inaccurate synonym to anyone left of center), labeled folks as the "enemy within",  etc.   I see political rhetoric in the US only regressing with such a personality in the White House sadly

I reckon this phase of US politics, where personal attacks became the rule, started in the late eighties with the GOP attacking Michael Dukakis as a sissy elitist Liberal who was too soft on crime. And then there were the vicious attacks on the Clintons throughout the nineties.

 

(But to be fair, the Clintons are hardly as pure as the driven snow. And the Democrats have slung their share of mud at the GOP as well,).