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Fox news station said we will be in war with Iran soon. Oh joy! I also heard we would be at war with China within the next ten years.

Honestly, if the US gets into any more wars, we're done. We can't keep fighting wars against countries that will never get tired of fighting and killing Americans and even their own people to keep their power.

the human race is doomed. Not surprised by this at all. And all this as the virus rages on. It's a war we can't win.

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You must have missed the nearly 20 year history I have of rooting for GN'R online through every line up change, every delay, every canceled tour, every riot, every late start and so on and so on. 

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38 minutes ago, EvanG said:

I guess hate is a strong word, but you have dedicated so much of your postcount taking stabs at them in the GnR section, so forgive me for thinking that you must really, really dislike them, and now you're even comparing them in here to that piece of shit and worst president ever.

You must have missed the nearly 20 year history I have of rooting for GN'R online through every line up change, every delay, every canceled tour, every riot, every late start and so on and so on. 

And yes, I did jokingly compare them to Trump, but it's GN'Rs fault those comparisons can be made, not mine. 

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9 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

You must have missed the nearly 20 year history I have of rooting for GN'R online through every line up change, every delay, every canceled tour, every riot, every late start and so on and so on. 

I have, but even if I hadn't, it doesn't really matter. I was merely explaining how I came to the observation that you must not like them anymore these days. Needless to say you must have liked them at one point, otherwise I am not sure what you are doing here in the first place.

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1 minute ago, EvanG said:

I have, but even if I hadn't, it doesn't really matter. I was merely explaining how I came to the observation that you must not like them anymore these days. Needless to say you must have liked them at one point, otherwise I am not sure what you are doing here in the first place.

 We don't have a new album nor we have news  or interviews of any kind. But we have plenty of merch and stupid children books that they want fans to buy. You can't expect fans to give Axl/GN'R an standing ovation.

P.S. This kind of conversation belongs in the main forum. This thread is about politics

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1 hour ago, EvanG said:

I guess hate is a strong word, but you have dedicated so much of your postcount taking stabs at them in the GnR section, so forgive me for thinking that you must really, really dislike them, and now you're even comparing them in here to that piece of shit and worst president ever.

Okay, let's take it down a notch.

It was a fair comparison if you get the tone in which it was said.

For over a decade we had fans here always give Axl and Guns the benefit of the doubt, no matter how often GNR failed to come through.  That's not an opinion, but a truth known by anyone like Russ who has been around this forum and the fanbase as long as Russ has.

That doesn't make Axl worshipping fans akin to Qanon supporters.  But there was a similar dynamic.

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6 hours ago, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

Fox news station said we will be in war with Iran soon. Oh joy! I also heard we would be at war with China within the next ten years.

Honestly, if the US gets into any more wars, we're done. We can't keep fighting wars against countries that will never get tired of fighting and killing Americans and even their own people to keep their power.

the human race is doomed. Not surprised by this at all. And all this as the virus rages on. It's a war we can't win.

I was thinking about the future of the US today on my drive into work. 

The fact is there are countries out there more than happy to see us fall.

 Let alone take us over. 

It's a real threat I don't see people taking seriously.

China really needs to be addressed. They are the elephant in the room and no country wants to start the discussion.

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57 minutes ago, arnold layne said:

I was thinking about the future of the US today on my drive into work. 

The fact is there are countries out there more than happy to see us fall.

 Let alone take us over. 

It's a real threat I don't see people taking seriously.

China really needs to be addressed. They are the elephant in the room and no country wants to start the discussion.

I think you're seeing ghosts to an extent. I have a more nuanced take. Now, China wants to be the world power (and really, why shouldn't they?). But why would they want to take over the US as a client state? This place is a mess and they'd need to invest a hell of a lot of money to control it. If anything, they'll just continue to buy resources they want and sell us their products. That relationship is working out pretty well and they have no incentive to upset the apple cart.

And the other thing that confuses me about this take, is that why aren't you more concerned about raising up your own country and making it better for the people who live there, rather than worrying about knocking down another country?

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The US would nuke the planet into oblivion before it allowed another country to invade and conquer it.  It's never going to happen (unless the invading country could somehow shut down all nuclear weapons within the US arsenal, which doesn't seem feasible in the slightest).  America's nuclear deterrence, geographic size, global position (with two oceans on each side) and overall temperament would make it impossible conquer.

More likely to happen, in my opinion, in the next twenty to fifty years is the US fractures and returns to a state of confederation or defensive alliance.

 

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1 hour ago, downzy said:

The US would nuke the planet into oblivion before it allowed another country to invade and conquer it.  It's never going to happen (unless the invading country could somehow shut down all nuclear weapons within the US arsenal, which doesn't seem feasible in the slightest).  America's nuclear deterrence, geographic size, global position (with two oceans on each side) and overall temperament would make it impossible conquer.

More likely to happen, in my opinion, in the next twenty to fifty years is the US fractures and returns to a state of confederation or defensive alliance.

 

I don't think people realize how modern geopolitics works. This isn't like the British empire days where a country could literally just occupy another country with colonial troops. That's expensive as hell and bad optics to boot. Much easier to manipulate countries economically.

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5 hours ago, arnold layne said:

I was thinking about the future of the US today on my drive into work. 

The fact is there are countries out there more than happy to see us fall.

 Let alone take us over. 

It's a real threat I don't see people taking seriously.

China really needs to be addressed. They are the elephant in the room and no country wants to start the discussion.

Only extremists in the Middle East might be happy to see the U.S. fall. But not China, they need Iowa badly. They buy plenty of soybean. The problem is business vs foreign policy.  Western countries turning a blind eye to serious issues in the name of business

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6 hours ago, Padme said:

Only extremists in the Middle East might be happy to see the U.S. fall. But not China, they need Iowa badly. They buy plenty of soybean. The problem is business vs foreign policy.  Western countries turning a blind eye to serious issues in the name of business

China has a nuanced view on this I'd imagine. They don't want the US to completely fall apart, because they'd lose a market to sell products to. But they also probably don't mind that the US has been slowly losing power and prestige for decades, and that the military gap has significantly closed between the two countries. 

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2 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

China has a nuanced view on this I'd imagine. They don't want the US to completely fall apart, because they'd lose a market to sell products to. But they also probably don't mind that the US has been slowly losing power and prestige for decades, and that the military gap has significantly closed between the two countries. 

Chines sells products to the U.S. And the U.S. sells products to China. The problem is it's too unbalance.  Also during the cold war China and the Soviet Union hated each other guts despite the fact that they were the same shit with different smell. So the U.S. started a new relationship with China. I agree the U.S. has lost power and prestige. China has power but not prestige

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2 hours ago, Padme said:

Chines sells products to the U.S. And the U.S. sells products to China. The problem is it's too unbalance.  Also during the cold war China and the Soviet Union hated each other guts despite the fact that they were the same shit with different smell. So the U.S. started a new relationship with China. I agree the U.S. has lost power and prestige. China has power but not prestige

China is gaining prestige though. The US has lost a lot of it based on their middle east policies.

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21 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

the other thing that confuses me about this take, is that why aren't you more concerned about raising up your own country and making it better for the people who live there

or American foreign policy and the impact it has. There is a reason we are considered the greatest threat to world peace.

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