The US Politics/Elections Thread 2.0

[SoulMonster]

14 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

I don't agree with the theory that gender/gender roles are merely just a social construct. It's nature not just nurture. I think generally boys will be boys and girls will be girls. That most of the time there is inherently and/or should be quite a lot of overlap with the sex of the person - masculine men and feminine women - at least a general striving for and appreciation of that, to be in line with nature as best as can be and to avoid the real world perils of today like confused delusional nonsense and declining birthrates.

Folks such as yourselves will then clutch your pearls and think "Eeek!!! But that's not fair! What about poor little Soul Monster, little downzy and that little Captain Reddit guy?! Can't we be considered men too?!" I'm sorry but the answer is, clearly, a solemn and indefinite - no. Life's not fair fellas*

But I digress, the vast majority of people - probably all people - of course don't perfectly align with the utmost extreme archetypal versions of the sex they are. Don't worry so much don't expect total perfection and don't be consumed by insecurities and don't feel the need to go full retard and try to plunge everyone into an introspective hell categorizing and recategorizing every angle and whim, shitting on foundational societal and natural realities.

Example: Motherhood is very, very important. If I were to pick a symbol of humanity it would probably be a pregnant woman. Women are literally the most important in life and not just in the biological sense either. In simple terms I would say that as a whole generally females are closer to God. High praise indeed. But let's not forget there's some real cunts out there so let's not simp too hard. And let's not tear down motherhood and women just because there are some bad eggs out there or because some women might not want to have kids(which is basically a non-issue if that's a happy minority) they're just women who aren't mothers. To me, it is disgraceful and absurd for guys to wear dresses and put on woman-face and pretend to be the most important in all the world and that they remotely understand the female experience. I wouldn't try to thought police someone like that and try to stop them from fantasizing but they will never get me or most people to participate, sorry not sorry, not going to happen. It doesn't mean me and everyone else who feels like me hates them.

In some ways I'm very masculine I'm a big 6'8 guy. That's masculine in a very traditional sense basically everywhere in the world. But on the other hand I really like Nintendo, that's not traditionally masculine at all you could argue that it's childish even. I write poetry and some might consider that feminine. Who cares. I don't go around consciously thinking about how this day or that day I was masculine or neutral or feminine I may be this day or that day, flipflopping between such things recategorizing myself moment to moment like a self-absorbed narcisstic lunatic. I'm just myself.

Yeah I agree with recognizing genders the normal way at birth because 99% of the time it's accurate and it would be abusive to bombard an infant or a child or even a teen with this insane psycho-babble.

I don't think anyone says that gender roles are not connected to biological sex. As I stated, originally these things were overlapping in the sense that you were the gender associated with your biological sex. And the vast majority follows this rule: if you are born with male bits then most likely you will find yourself more or less perfectly comfortable with the expectations that comes with having a male gender. 

You argue that that little minority that is not comfortable with their assigned gender shouldn't "worry so much". Well, would you worry if society treated you as a different gender than "man"? If society treated you as if you were a girl? Maybe some would have accepted that fate without any problems, but obviously not all do. Thus the phenomena known as transgenderism: people who are absolutely not happy with having to behave as their assigned gender because that's not who they are, and have decided to live out the gender role they are most comfortable with. And it is not a trivial thing, depression and suicide rates drop among trans-people who are allowed to live out the gender role they are comfortable with. It is basically about life and death for some people. 

Ì don't get your problem with trans-women. You argue almost like the concept of "women" is so pristine that it would be tainted if biological men took the female role. That trans-women are something disgusting. What about trans-men, aka biological women taking the gender role of men? Do you feel that is equally "disgraceful" and "absurd"?

Regardless, trans-genderism isn't really "absurd". A small minority are trans and this phenomena has been around for thousands of years. I don't see how it is inherently absurd, more than other rare aspects of humanity. If you have a very rigid view on what defines "men" and "women", then I see how you could consider it absurd. Like it is "absurd" to have red hair or have downs syndrom. 

As for "disgraceful". I think it is much more disgraceful that people who are not comfortable with the gender associated with their sex should feel somewhat ashamed or looked down upon by others when they dare to live out who they really are. That they should either have to choose to embrace a gender that is in direct conflict with who they are or risk persecution and condemnation if they dare to embrace their own identities.

 

[HOOSIER GUNZ]

Simply based on the recent national  election results it appears the majority of legal voting citizens have rejected the “woke movement “.  It’s been so polarizing that folks simply appear to be fed up and have rejected it.  Or perhaps they’ve even dealt with this in their own lives and took it to the polls to try to initiate a change?

Land of the Free and the Home of the Bravest!

”DOVER, Del. (AP) — Sarah McBride made history in Delaware as the first openly transgender state senator in the United States. Now she’s making history again, recently elected as the first openly trans member of Congress.

[HOOSIER GUNZ]

Former Indiana governor, Eric Holcomb recently shared a conversation he had with POTUS #45 after winning IND.

Holcomb told #45 he won Ind. by 19 and  #45 asked if Eric thought he would have won by a larger margin had Bobby Knight been his VP. Ha!

[HOOSIER GUNZ]

Not only should the US government swoop in to help save Southern California, they should also be extremely vigilant to the potential weaknesses that could be open to foreign adversaries to exploit.

[downzy]

19 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

You genuinely look at that video and shrug? Will you at least concede that the woke brigade are the ones shovelling this stuff nonstop making everything political in the first place and so it's not as simple as it's all on Trump supporters inappropriately making it political out of the blue, that they're reacting?

I didn't shrug, I just don't think it warrants the level of outrage you seem to be demonstrating.

It was a silly comment.  But show me specific examples where someone's life was actually jeopardized or ended because a female firefighter couldn't do the job.  I'm not saying it's not theoretically possible, but until someone shows me actual instances where someone was harmed then I'm not going to get too worked up about it.

Look, the world is facing a multitude of problems right now.  Can the woke/trans/pc community get a little bit over their skis on occasion?  Sure.  But shouldn't we spend more time and energy on problems that are actually killing people? 

Again, prioritize actual problems that are having real world consequences.  This is a side show promoted by largely white men that distracts for real problems.  It keeps people from voting for their economic interests because they get wrapped up on issues that have minimal effect on society overall.

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

Looks like the Trump circus will be all day on TV. WTH? Everyone of his rich friends will probably praise him. doesn't he want to fire a lot of people asap. this will certainly be a media circus. I won't be watching.

[SoulMonster]

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

The difference is I actually am a man in reality though.

But it IS reality that a certain minority of people are not comfortable in having to live out their roles in the gender associated with their sex. 

 

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

 While they are claiming to be something that they're not in reality.

No. The majority of trans men don't claim to be biological men. And the majority of trans women don't claim to be biological women. They have no problems acknowledging their biological sex but are saying that don't feel comfortable with the gender typically associated with that sex and want it differently.

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

It's not just about protecting the traditional natural states of sex/gender it's about having boundaries to protect reality itself.

There is no "natural state of gender". Different cultures have accepted various gender definitions, including systems that include more than two gender. Traditionally speaking, we are used to dividing people into two gender based on sex, but this is just a social construct, something we have agreed to do, and now a significant albeit small minority are telling us this division is a huge problem to them, they are telling us they are suffering because they are forced to adapt into a gender role that doesn't come natural to them. 

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

 I don't want to tear down trans people.

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

But - if their modus operandi is that they say and do whatever they feel like doing and tear down and rearrange boys/men and girls/women, dictating societal norms and trying to dominate the perception, thoughts and discourse of more than 99% of people according to their whims and fantasies/delusions - then, sorry, that is very problematic and destructive and will of course be blocked and denied, forever.

They are not trying to "dictate" anything. They are telling us they are not comfortable being forced into certain traditional gender expectations associated with their sex, and are asking us to accept this. That is not "very problematic" and certainly not "destructive". It is just you who are forced to reconsider your thoughts on gender. But you will get over it, even it if feels "very problematic" and "destructive" 

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

It's more that I want Western society to stop worrying so much in the form of pushing this stuff so hard and pandering to them the way they are. Most of them are probably just gays/lesbians/transvestites.

The only part of society that is making a fuss about this is people like you. YOU are the only having a problem with poor trans people wanting to be acknowledged for being trans. You purport to not want to tear them down, yet you argue fiercely for them being mentally ill and you show absolutely zero sympathy for people having to live our lives in a gender role they are not comfortable with.

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

I don't really believe you that their depression and suicide rates drop after transitioning. More and more will de-transition.

There are definitely a few that "de-transition", or simply choose to go back to identifying with the gender associated with their sex. It would be surprising if there weren't people sort f on the border going a bit back and forth, don't you think. Still, as for depression and suicide rates: Suicide-Related Outcomes Following Gender-Affirming Treatment: A Review - PMC It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone that people who feel forced into adopting a gender role that feels aliens to them would feel better when allowed to love out a gender role that feels more natural. It is actually self-evident. Still, living a life as trans comes with its own stigma that in itself may cause problems.

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

You're literally saying everyone needs to cowtow and vindicate their delusional feelings constantly en masse or else they'll kill themselves? I'm sorry but that's absolutely mental and that's on them and anyone who teaches them to be that vulnerable. They need psychiatric help if that's the case and they need to be taught it's okay to be different and not everyone can be "normal" and that's not the end of the world.

It's absolutely not "mental" to acknowledge trans people's need to live according to the gender role they feel comfortable with. I have no issue accepting you are a "man", why should I have any problems accepting that a trans-woman is a "woman"? It makes no difference to  me. You make it sound like I am making some sacrifice here, that I am "cowtowing" to anyone while it makes absolutely zero difference if I acknowledge a cis-man's right to live as a "man" and whether I acknowledge a trans-man's right to live as a "man". Again, it doesn't make any difference to me. And you know why? Because I have no problems with it, it has no bearing on my life AND it makes the trans people happy and more comfortable with their lives I would be an ABSOLUTE asshole to have any problems with this. 

And again you are dismissing them as being mentally ill. This is DISCONCERTINGLY similar to the argument against gays in the 1960 and 1970s. They too were "mentally ill" and should be given psychiatric help instead of simply being acknowledge for the fact that fell in love with people of their own sex. Don't you see you are the bad guy here?

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

In my view, generally, women are sort of pristine yeah definitely at least moreso than men. The idea of tainting and distorting women by thinking guys are literally able to become women

But they don't claim to become biological women. They want accept for their decision to live out their lives as gender women. They don't have good lives having to live their lives as gender men and feel more comfortable as gender women and simply want us to accept that. 

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

And I genuinely say that with no hate in my heart.

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

But it's against my beliefs. In a way, I actually consider it a mockery of human dignity and God and sort of satanic.

Well, your irrational thoughts on god and "human dignity" shouldn't put a hamper on other people's right to live their lives as they want to as long as they don't hurt anyone. Get over yourself.

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Bare in mind, I don't hate these people.

Of course! You just think they are mentally ill and disgraceful and an affront to your religious beliefs. But you don't hate them. Hate is when you really have something against something...but for other reasons. 

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

To me it's a bit like those guys who got lots of surgeries to look like a cat-man and a zombie, it seems wrong.

It's all facets of the human condition. Not everyone is heterosexual men like you and me. Why have so a big problem with people who need to do thigs differently to have a good life? Again, your thoughts echo those against gays before. Basically, you feel affronted by people being different and you make a war out of it. Stop. Trans people don't hurt you. gays don't hurt you. people who want to look like cats don't hurt you. Just stop.

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

- Don't expect/demand people to participate in their identity fantasies/delusions. Respect boundaries.

It is not "fantasies" or "delusions", it is human being who want to be accepted for who they are. Just like gays before that was accepted. It is not much they ask of, yet you deny it to them. Wy are you like this?

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

- Protect kids/teens from this stuff. Don't indoctrinate and confuse them.

Why would kids need protection from hearing about the reality of a small minority of humans being trans? Again, this throws dark echoes on people wanting kids to not hear about gays, too. Kids don't get damaged to hear about reality, and it can be of tremendous relief to those few kids who themselves feel alienated in the gender role assigned to them. 

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

- Stay out of women's sports and women's toilets etc.

As I said before, sports should in my opinion be divided based on biological sex, so here we actually agree.

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

- Stop aggressively pushing the agenda and hijacking beloved IPs.

If you are going to make a case of arguing that trans people are the one who are aggressive then you need to take a second look at your own posts and how you refer to them. I suppose that if you lived in the 60s you would ask gays to not be so aggressive about their lifestyle decisions, too. The reality is that this is all a non-issue, but the conservative right has decided to make an issue of it.

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

- Stop derailing the entirety of the leftwing, gay rights, womens rights, etc.

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Beyond that sort of thing, if an adult decides to become transgender and it's right for them, they're healthy and happy then despite my personal views and not understanding it I genuinely wish them well.

Yes, besides the fact that you consider them mentally ill and disgraceful, you are magnanimous enough to "wish them well". Incredible.

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Redheads and down syndrome folks occur naturally and are harmless. 

Trans people are natural, too. They have been around as long as written records. And they are completely harmless, too  Jesus!

 

6 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

They're not based off mental gymnastics and mutilation.

Except for the fact that transgenderism has a genetic component. Oops 

[SoulMonster]

53 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

That's one of the key reasons for my outrage. This stuff is crazy and is derailing everything and there are bigger fish to fry.

But YOU, and the likes of you, are the ones making a big fuss about it. You are the one who is "outraged" about something that is absolutely trivial and a non-issue. The thing that is crazy isn't the fact that a ridiculous small minority wants to live their lives as a gender different o their sex, but that people like you want to stop them. What is wrong with you?

56 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

The optics of that video are horrendous even if they don't end up following through with letting people burn to death.

I have asked you before and I will have to ask again, what is the problem with the video? 

[ZoSoRose]

Jesus Christ, dude. Why take a hiatus then come back for all this shit? Why can’t we all just talk about music and shit on here?

[SoulMonster]

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

I do sympathize it must be a nightmarish state to be in. If they're adults and they're normal about it meaning they're not trying to push it onto others(particularly kids), have self-awareness that it's a weird very niche thing, they respect objective reality/science and don't do the zim/zay fruitloop fantasy genders, they just want to be transmen/transwomen out of their personal preference and they're happy and healthy just living their lives in peace - then those are precisely the transgenders you've never seen me or anyone else ever complain about.

Yes, like gays, right? Only gay people who have self-awareness to realize they are into a "weird niche thing" are acceptable and okay in your eyes.  And if a gay person is against science or a bid crazy then we won't accept his lifestyle choice, right? And if a gay person is unhappy and unhealthy and quarrelsome then we are against him, right? Don't you see you are putting up weird qualifications here? Suddenly you have become the arbiter on what is an acceptable trans and not, instead of just universally accepted that they all have the right to live out the gender they are cvomofrtable with without hate and condemnation from the rest of society?

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

I don't consider it my business to dictate to everyone's personal lives if they're not harming themselves or others. The extreme elements that myself and most people complain about and reject is the stuff they want to foist onto everyone.

Who are the people you are talking about here who "want to foist" "extreme elements" "onto everyone"? And what extreme element are you talking about? I presume it is whatever you are personally not comfortable with, e.g. trans not living up to your criteria as listed above...

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

As I already explained, like most people, I disagree.

You cannot just disagree with facts, unless you want to come across as absolutely detached from reality. It is a FACT that various cultures have had different gender organizations and it is also a FACT that gender roles have evolved over time within individual societies. 

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Sometimes various cultural social constructs alter/affect definitions a bit like how an ancient warrior society might not consider any of us men since we haven't slain people in battle. But let's not go nuts.

And now you just presented an example, albeit fictious, of how gender roles might evolve.  What this proves is that gender is not the same as biological sex. Gender is a social construct and come with a bunch of expectations on how to behave. If you are a woman today certain things are expected from you that would differ to some extent from how it was to be a woman in the age of the Vikings. Gender roles change. And a small minority of people have a big problem having to live with the expectations that comes with the gender they were assigned at birth. 

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Yes, they are trying to dictate a bunch of things. The problematic elements people take issue with have already been explained.

No, you haven't. You have talked in generalities. I still have absolutely no idea what you are talking about and referring to. Most likely some obscure example you have seen on Youtube and now you use that case to tear down all trans people. Oh no wait, I forgot, you are not in the business of tearing down trans...

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

They can't force me or the rest of society. They might find that out the hard way with the rise of the rightwing which they have helped usher in. They've been very counterintuitive.

Of course you can continue to obstinately refuse to accept that society has moved on. Just like some religious groups still condemn gays and some people still think atheists are evil. You can continue to confuse biological sex with gender and talk about how disgraceful trans-women are. No one is forcing you to be civil or decent, you will continue to have the choice. 

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

I think it's literally mental illness but I don't hate and look down on people just for being mentally ill. I don't mean it in a derogatory way which I've already explained before.

You remind me of Christian people who purport to love the gays but at the same time are trying to convince they to get conversion therapy.

That being said, there is an increased amount of mental illness among people that are trans. But now we are into the tricky subject of causality or correlation... 

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

The elements I find disgraceful are things like a dude in a dress bullying girls in female sports or whipping their dick out in front of little girls and women in the ladies room. I stand by that. History will absolve me just as the present day does.

But this has nothing to do with acknowledging trans people rights to live their live as the gender they are comfortable with, you are talking about being against bullying and indecent exposure. EVERYBODY is against bullying and indecent exposure. It must be possible to both acknowledge trans AND be against the dissolution of sports based on biological sex and be against molestation. 

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

2. A bunch of projection nonsense.

Pointing out how your views on trans' echo those widely held thoughts on gays back in the 50s and 60s is not "projection". You might argue that I am wrong and point to differences, but it cannot really be projection unless you somehow think I have problems with gays and that I am projecting these beliefs onto you.

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

3. You beg for more so you can beg me to stop. Like when you and the other one flipflop between claiming I'm an aggressive 1950s style prick or I'm not the man you want me to be if I don't give you attention. Tis rather homo. I honestly think a few people on here have daddy issues with me lol.

What? 

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Vehemently disagree. Children are vulnerable and impressionable and need to be protected from things like confusing mental illness and explicit content. Kids can be easily indoctrinated and influenced into a confused state where they think they're trans, this insane thing they are regularly bombarded with and told makes you special.

Why would children be more likely to "become trans" from learning about this issue than say "become gay" from learning about homosexuality? And even if you were right and trans people are just crazy, why would you think it would be contagious?  

It is important that our kids learn about things like homosexuality and transgenderism, simply because they should grow up and not look at it as "disgraceful" and "absurd" so that transgender people will experience less harassment, discrimination and violence. It is important also for the very few children who themselves are struggling with gender expectations, to know that it is rare but natural, and that it is entirely okay to feel that way. 

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

You just don't get it. I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter and the majority of the public don't like this shit. Just because the conservative right utilizes it as an easy win talking point does not mean it is merely something that only concerns the conservative right.

Why would you be a Bernie Sanders supporter? Aren't you a kiwi? How do you vote in New Zealand then?

Regardless, you are right that this topic is controversial across the political spectrum. But it was the conservative right who made it into a fighting ground. They took a simple question of being respectful and loving towards trans people and made it into protecting kids from dangerous lifestyles and molestations at bathrooms, and stupid people are sucked in.

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Transgender medical procedures and mutilation and infinite genders have always been around? One moment it's a modern evolved thing we all need to get on board with, the next moment it's been around since people could write. Ridiculous mental gymnastics coping. Either way it makes no difference to my points.

I never said anything about "medical procedures" or "infinite genders", I said transgenderism as in people not identifying with their assigned gender. 

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Uh huh.

Well, yeah. Possibly as much of a genetic component as homosexuality. 

5 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Hopefully I've clarified enough. If not so be it. That's enough attention for you.

You haven't at all told me why you have a problem with the video. Unless the very fact that it shows a trans person is "disgraceful" and "absurd" to you...

[SoulMonster]

4 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

You're right. I'll put Soul Monster and that other guy on permanent ignore and won't bother discussing topics like this anymore.

How cowardly. Running back to his echo chamber as soon as his opinions gets questioned. 

[Rovim]

 

[HOOSIER GUNZ]

10 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

You're right. I'll put Soul Monster and that other guy on permanent ignore and won't bother discussing topics like this anymore.

You do you my man! And the same goes for the lot of you too. Peace on earth brothers & sisters!

[ZoSoRose]

8 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

How cowardly. Running back to his echo chamber as soon as his opinions gets questioned. 

Why make this comment? You both can write zillions of paragraphs and sling 'em at one another. I've been guilty of it plenty on here. No one is going to change another's mind on a Guns N' Roses message board. All of these back and forths have really brought down all of the boards imo. Even if I disagree with a lot of stuff he says, he said he would back- off, so why egg him on, more? What purpose does that serve?

[evilfacelessturtle]

20 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

Plot twist: downzy actually hates this woke shit even more than I do he just tries to go along with it to stay out of the doghouse.

That's one of the key reasons for my outrage. This stuff is crazy and is derailing everything and there are bigger fish to fry. The optics of that video are horrendous even if they don't end up following through with letting people burn to death.

I did it. I won Internet. I see you brother. I can sense your longing to scream out that I am right. I've saved Canada.

Talk about delusional mental illness.

[evilfacelessturtle]

1 hour ago, ZoSoRose said:

Why make this comment? You both can write zillions of paragraphs and sling 'em at one another. I've been guilty of it plenty on here. No one is going to change another's mind on a Guns N' Roses message board. All of these back and forths have really brought down all of the boards imo. Even if I disagree with a lot of stuff he says, he said he would back- off, so why egg him on, more? What purpose does that serve?

Yeah, look at this, he's already stopped acting like a child!

5 minutes ago, Oldest Goat said:

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If he wants to call the most powerless group of people "mentally ill degenerates", then he will get it in kind. I think it's clear who is acting emotionally and mentally unstable in these comments.

[HOOSIER GUNZ]

George Soros & Sons must be paying pretty damn good.

[EvanG]

14 hours ago, Oldest Goat said:

You're right. I'll put Soul Monster and that other guy on permanent ignore and won't bother discussing topics like this anymore.

Funnily enough, I put those two posters on ignore too in the last week. Great minds think alike, eh?  

[SoulMonster]

1 hour ago, ZoSoRose said:

Why make this comment? You both can write zillions of paragraphs and sling 'em at one another. I've been guilty of it plenty on here. No one is going to change another's mind on a Guns N' Roses message board. All of these back and forths have really brought down all of the boards imo. Even if I disagree with a lot of stuff he says, he said he would back- off, so why egg him on, more? What purpose does that serve?

Because I wanted to continue a point from before how we are divided and have stopped communicating. Don't get me wrong, no one has to read a thread or even participate, but deliberately refusing to hear opposing views are cowardly and the existence of echo chambers and the absence of platforms where we have to interact and communicate is a threat to unity. 

[ZoSoRose]

I didn't read any of your posts to each other, I'm just saying he already said he would back off so it would be best to just let it go

Edited January 13 by ZoSoRose

[SoulMonster]

42 minutes ago, ZoSoRose said:

I didn't read any of your posts to each other, I'm just saying he already said he would back off so it would be best to just let it go

Again, I have no problems with people backing off in a discussions. Sometimes that only make sense ;). Nor people not engaging. My comment was directly to him saying he would put me on ignore. I have people on ignore, too, but not because they have opposing views. It's this snowflake mentality that separates us into tribes.

[downzy]

1 hour ago, HOOSIER GUNZ said:

George Soros & Sons must be paying pretty damn good.

Maybe, but I'll put $20 saying it's no where close to what Elon is spending on Trump.

[evilfacelessturtle]

2 hours ago, HOOSIER GUNZ said:

George Soros & Sons must be paying pretty damn good.

You're literally supporting a guy who gave the richest man in the world his own unelected role leading his own government department. Miss me with the Soros bullshit. Go get your check from Peter Thiel and David Koch, Mr. Vance.

Edited January 13 by evilfacelessturtle

[evilfacelessturtle]

1 hour ago, EvanG said:

Funnily enough, I put those two posters on ignore too in the last week. Great minds think alike, eh?  

I thought the antiwoke brigade were against safe spaces and "not so easily offended"?

The "party of free speech", folks!

[grouse]

On 1/12/2025 at 2:56 AM, Oldest Goat said:

Seemed passive aggressive to me, if you were being sincere then I wish you well too. As I also wish downzy etc well too despite the crazy fucked up views.

Thank you.