imsorry Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) @Legendadorstfu u like TB makes brazilians like me ashamed. Edited April 7, 2021 by imsorry 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sisyphus Posted April 7, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted April 7, 2021 (edited) I'm more annoyed by TB and Fernando's behaviour than their managerial skills. Mostly the way they handle themselves. It's so obvious they enjoy this quasi celebrity status they have among GN'R fanbase. Despite being universally disliked they enjoy nothing more than soaking up the attention of hardcore fans who are intrigued solely because these people have such close connection to Axl Rose. I also find their MO towards fans disrespectful and annoying. I also can't stand when they use the term "we" in connection with Guns N' Roses or refer to it as "our band". Not because I'm jealous, hand to god, but because I find them undeserving of any credit. The fact hey have more say in GN'R than any previous members or even Slash and Duff is just disgusting. I haven't had any direct communication with Fernando but from what I've seen posted by others he comes across as an entitled douche. They also have massive victim mentality and as I have stated before they act as if Axl needs to me pampered and sheltered 24/7 because he's so fragile and unable to cope with real life issues. Years ago I had a discussion with Marc Canter and his exact words regarding Beta and family were that things have "gone to far" and that "they make decisions without Axl knowing them" and that they think "they need to keep shit from Axl". Supposedly they do it for Axl's benefit but in reality I think it's just a power trip. Also, if that story regarding Beta and the brazilian girl Axl was very fond of and wanted to be with is actually true then it's pretty obvious that they are willing to go into extremes to protect their interest in the GN'R brand and Axl Rose. Even at Axl's own expense. Scary shit. All in all they come across as manipulative and self-serving. Edited April 7, 2021 by Sisyphus 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 it's plausible that Duff Slash and Axl at this point are quite embarrassed by TB Axl would need to really shake things up if he wants to regain any certain level of integrity/popularity among the fans moving forward 1) fire TB 2) work on his voice 3) properly reunite the band 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beto 22 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 NITL made half a Billion dollars only in tickets sold... If you include merch and sponsors could get easily to 700 millions . I don't think anyone in the organization is embarassed by anything or anyone right now... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, Beto 22 said: NITL made half a Billion dollars only in tickets sold... If you include merch and sponsors could get easily to 700 millions . I don't think anyone in the organization is embarassed by anything or anyone right now... Yeah, if all you value is money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, allwaystired said: Yeah, if all you value is money. I think money is the only motivation of Axl and TB 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beto 22 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Not just Axl and TB but Duff and Slash too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beto 22 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, allwaystired said: Yeah, if all you value is money. Well, I dont see Slash , Duff and Axl ashamed of anything or anyone... I don't see any movement or behaviour that makes that plausible... The only mixed reaction of the entire tour was Slash being evasive about Frank... What changed fast and Slash started to be more friendly to Frank afterwards. So... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Beto 22 said: Not just Axl and TB but Duff and Slash too They make money outside of GNR, not the millions they get from NITL, but neither of them were hurting for cash. Axl remortgaged his house several times before the reunion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, Beto 22 said: Well, I dont see Slash , Duff and Axl ashamed of anything or anyone... I don't see any movement or behaviour that makes that plausible... The only mixed reaction of the entire tour was Slash being evasive about Frank... What changed fast and Slash started to be more friendly to Frank afterwards. So... I don't see any movement or behavior from them at all, making it impossible to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beto 22 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, janrichmond said: They make money outside of GNR, not the millions they get from NITL, but neither of them were hurting for cash. Axl remortgaged his house several times before the reunion. Well... Duff has to give some of his income to Slash... Is pretty well known that Slash wasn't the most reliable finacially after his divorce... And Axl did all this actions before 2008. Made plenty of successful tours after that... Although had to pay a lot to former A-List managers that couldn't do anything to help release new music or promote the band 11 minutes ago, allwaystired said: I don't see any movement or behavior from them at all, making it impossible to know. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allwaystired Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, Beto 22 said: Well... Duff has to give some of his income to Slash... Is pretty well known that Slash wasn't the most reliable finacially after his divorce... And Axl did all this actions before 2008. Made plenty of successful tours after that... Although had to pay a lot to former A-List managers that couldn't do anything to help release new music or promote the band Duff has to give Slash money? What for? Do I detect a (not so subtle) agenda going on here with the managers comment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Beto 22 said: NITL made half a Billion dollars only in tickets sold... If you include merch and sponsors could get easily to 700 millions . I don't think anyone in the organization is embarassed by anything or anyone right now... Axl has to give 80% of his earnings to the TB cult so he probably is quite a loss on how to free himself from them and nobody can get to him as far as an intervention is concerned, the rest of his earnings are given to him as a stipend for his basic needs which are neither positive or good For instance what if Izzy demanded one on one time with Axl? It couldn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megaguns1982 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 a chick who went from scrubbing Axls toilets to managing GNR has gotta be the biggest rags to riches story of all time 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted April 7, 2021 Author Share Posted April 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, megaguns1982 said: a chick who went from scrubbing Axls toilets to managing GNR has gotta be the biggest rags to riches story of all time To be fair: She was scrubbing Steph Seymour's toilets. Which i would've done too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said: Axl has to give 80% of his earnings to the TB cult Whut? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 24 minutes ago, megaguns1982 said: a chick who went from scrubbing Axls toilets to managing GNR has gotta be the biggest rags to riches story of all time It's the American Dream, right? Americans are supposedly very proud of the fact that anyone can rise from humble beginnings to achieve great success and wealth over there. Funny though that when it comes to Beta most people here seem to resent what she has achieved. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double talkin jive mfkr Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: It's the American Dream, right? Americans are supposedly very proud of the fact that anyone can rise from humble beginnings to achieve great success and wealth over there. Funny though that when it comes to Beta most people here seem to resent what she has achieved. brainwashing a rock star with new age BS whom is already mentally fragile and "supporting" him while taking charge of his riches is not exactly a rags to riches story 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 39 minutes ago, Beto 22 said: Well... Duff has to give some of his income to Slash... Is pretty well known that Slash wasn't the most reliable finacially after his divorce... Lol, I think you may have been believing so called 'insiders' Who said Slash wasn't 'reliable financially' after the divorce? He got rid of the biggest financial drain-Perla 3 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said: brainwashing a rock star with new age BS whom is already mentally fragile and "supporting" him while taking charge of his riches is not exactly a rags to riches story That wasn't TB. That was Sharon Maynard(yoda) and her husband 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, double talkin jive mfkr said: brainwashing a rock star with new age BS Beta has brainwashed Axl with New Age bullshit? Are you thinking of Yoda? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beto 22 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 7 minutes ago, janrichmond said: Lol, I think you may have been believing so called 'insiders' Who said Slash wasn't 'reliable financially' after the divorce? He got rid of the biggest financial drain-Perla The same insiders that told you that Axl wasn't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, janrichmond said: Axl remortgaged his house several times before the reunion. Tell me more please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 8 minutes ago, Sisyphus said: Tell me more please. It's in the following link. The data about the remortgages, though, are about the period before 2007. So if it was only a financial issue for Axl, he would have done the reunion much earlier. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beto 22 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, allwaystired said: Duff has to give Slash money? What for? Do I detect a (not so subtle) agenda going on here with the managers comment? No, its a fact... What the so called A-List Managers GNR had after Goldstein did to release new music and or promote the band? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Beto 22 said: Well... Duff has to give some of his income to Slash... Is pretty well known that Slash wasn't the most reliable finacially after his divorce... Nothing else then unconfirmed rumors claimed by haters. You ain't better then these people by spreading unreliable bullshit like that without any evidence. Don't say you knew it was just a rumor but now you know it. 😏 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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