something.always Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Underrated. IMHO great vocals, catchy, killer BH solo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, SoulMonster said: That's exactly how I see it. I have stopped caring what guys like Sebastian Bach has said or others who rave about individual songs. But based on experience, I can be quite confident I will like some of the unreleased/unleaked songs if I ever get to hear them. And feel mighty underwhelmed over others. CD will mostly be like 2008's CD from a material quality and type of sound, if not changed significantly by the current lineup before release. There will be some great moments, and some meh moments. Of course this time most of us have only heard about a third to half of it already. Where as with CD it was about 75% material we heard from leaks that occurred prior to official release. 4 minutes ago, something.always said: Underrated. IMHO great vocals, catchy, killer BH solo. Bucket played on the leaked versions (I believe) but the album solo is Bumblefoot, which I didn't like nearly as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 23 minutes ago, Dangom1 said: Remember when Bach said Sorry was doom metal 😂 I'm no expect, but Wikipedia's intro bit to Doom metal seems like it's in that realm, at least more so than other tunes on that record. "Doom metal is an extreme subgenre of heavy metal music that typically uses slower tempos, low-tuned guitars and a much "thicker" or "heavier" sound than other heavy metal genres. Both the music and the lyrics intend to evoke a sense of despair, dread, and impending doom." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonGuns Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Tom2112 said: But is it? Sometimes I fell they are both catastrophes. I think I kinda like one, one day and then the next time I hear both it flips. Neither are great songs IMO, but with a lot of effort they could have been at least consistent rockers. Thing is I don't think "a lot" of effort was actually needed. Just some little producer tweaks in the demo phase and you would end up with two decent rockers. As it stands they are two average rockers. Compare this to the average rockers on UYI I or II though - there's actually little else that could be done to touch them up to improve them, Rhiad though needed tweaking. Edited June 3, 2021 by ToonGuns Spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, ToonGuns said: Thing is I don't think "a lot" of effort was actually needed. Just some little producer tweaks in the demo phase and you would end up with two decent rockers. As it stands they are two average rockers. Compare this to the average rockers on UYI I or II though - there's actually little else that could be done to touch them up to improve them, Rhiad though needed tweaking. Yeah I would have stripped it right back and let the guitars breathe a bit, smoothed out the abrupt transitions between parts. It wouldn't be that hard, but getting Axl to deviate from his vision might be the real fight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonGuns Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 8 hours ago, 19AT5 said: Coma is a bit long and overdrawn right enough but a decent tune nonetheless. Bizarrely, I really like Estranged but November Rain just never gelled with me. That said I didn't actually mind the piano only version found on the Appetite 30th. But I do find it all a little too happy for my liking! I love Coma and wouldn't chop anything out. The dynamics match the lyrics / story, it's actually really cleverly done, and the outro wouldn't be anywhere near as effective if the sing was shorter leading up to it. I used to love NR but most admit in recent years it has started to sound very cheesy. I probably still love it, but you know what I mean... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonGuns Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: Yeah I would have stripped it right back and let the guitars breathe a bit, smoothed out the abrupt transitions between parts. It wouldn't be that hard, but getting Axl to deviate from his vision might be the real fight Atlas is another song that has abrupt changes and is a bit all over the place and needs reworking to improve it. Drop the funny dropped beat bits for a start. Catcher also falls into this bracket to a certain extent, the song structure is a bit all over the place and needed bringing back to a more traditional layout using the same melodies etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19AT5 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 minute ago, ToonGuns said: Atlas is another song that has abrupt changes and is a bit all over the place and needs reworking to improve it. Drop the funny dropped beat bits for a start. Catcher also falls into this bracket to a certain extent, the song structure is a bit all over the place and needed bringing back to a more traditional layout using the same melodies etc. There are bits of Atlas Shrugged I think are cool, but the thing that REALLY grinds my gears is the horrid chord changes. They are actually fucking awful in my opinion. I get they were trying something different but a bad chord change is a bad chord change regardless of how many layers you stick over the top. I find it unlistenable. Agree with you on Catcher also. Another one that has potential but all in, nah. The nah nah nah bits are particularly shite! I will try and bring balance though... Street of Dreams (apart from the awful title) is actually a good example on CD where the songwriting and experimenting come together pretty nicely. And fuck it, I'll throw it in anyway... Oh My God is well written too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, ToonGuns said: Atlas is another song that has abrupt changes and is a bit all over the place and needs reworking to improve it. Drop the funny dropped beat bits for a start. Catcher also falls into this bracket to a certain extent, the song structure is a bit all over the place and needed bringing back to a more traditional layout using the same melodies etc. You can really hear the mid 90s influence of Soundgarden on Atlas... the difference being soundgarden could weave seemingly awkward parts together and they ended up sounding natural. Again, the producers weren't doing their jobs. I think sometimes the producers get too involved and start encouraging the artist to go crazy when they are already out there. Someone should have said "there's an idea here, but let's workshop how we get there" same issue with Hardscool, same issue with Scraped, Catcher. The best moments on CD were where they stuck to more traditional transitions. Not saying to not push the envelope but you have to realise when something sounds like a unique interesting idea or just a complete awkward gear shift. Atlas has some great parts though, I really hope Duff/Slash can smooth off the edges of that song and cut the fat... if it ever gets released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 1 hour ago, 19AT5 said: There are bits of Atlas Shrugged I think are cool, but the thing that REALLY grinds my gears is the horrid chord changes. They are actually fucking awful in my opinion. I get they were trying something different but a bad chord change is a bad chord change regardless of how many layers you stick over the top. I find it unlistenable. Agree with you on Catcher also. Another one that has potential but all in, nah. The nah nah nah bits are particularly shite! I will try and bring balance though... Street of Dreams (apart from the awful title) is actually a good example on CD where the songwriting and experimenting come together pretty nicely. And fuck it, I'll throw it in anyway... Oh My God is well written too! Yeah Catcher was like 3/4s there and they just stopped developing and tried to elevate it with multi-layered piano/vocals/guitar. That could have been a stand out track! I kind of like the nah nahs😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 The leaks we have is from 2001, who knows what changes were made to the song in the long period after with new producers coming in...if any. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LlamaRenegade Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 The version on Rough Mixes #1 with the original solo (played by Robin?) is top shelf. The one that made the album with the inferior solo and intro? Eh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchisback Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 14 hours ago, Dangom1 said: Remember when Bach said Sorry was doom metal 😂 I was actually thinking about that earlier today lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swedish Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 18 hours ago, Dangom1 said: Remember when Bach said Sorry was doom metal 😂 While still being FAR (and I really mean far) from doom metal, the instrumental leak from the lockers is a lot heavier than the album version! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Scraped is far better than Riad if you ask me. The version of Scraped with the drum intro and heavier guitars is a regular on my playlists. Riad is something I’ll listen to a few times a year at the most. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, Flayer said: Scraped is far better than Riad if you ask me. The version of Scraped with the drum intro and heavier guitars is a regular on my playlists. Riad is something I’ll listen to a few times a year at the most. I'd like to hear this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonGuns Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Flayer said: Scraped is far better than Riad if you ask me. The version of Scraped with the drum intro and heavier guitars is a regular on my playlists. Riad is something I’ll listen to a few times a year at the most. What version of Scraped is that?! A fan remix? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 13 minutes ago, ToonGuns said: What version of Scraped is that?! A fan remix? Live versions from 2009 and 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flayer Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 1 hour ago, ToonGuns said: What version of Scraped is that?! A fan remix? Fan remix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Money Posted June 7, 2021 Share Posted June 7, 2021 Didn't dig it much until @Gambit83used part of it for the AFD pod intro, and I gave it more of a listen after. Like most of CD, it grows on you over time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spirit Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 On 6/3/2021 at 4:45 PM, Dangom1 said: Remember when Bach said Sorry was doom metal 😂 Example of doom metal: Don't think he was as far off as people tend to say. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAFC Nick Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 8 hours ago, Spirit said: Example of doom metal: Don't think he was as far off as people tend to say. Agreed - never understood the ridicule for that comment. It’s pretty clear to understand where he’s coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lies They Tell Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 9 hours ago, CAFC Nick said: Agreed - never understood the ridicule for that comment. It’s pretty clear to understand where he’s coming from. Exactly! He never said that the song IS doom metal. He said that it's ALMOST like doom metal, which is exactly what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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