Ratam Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 8 minutes ago, Blackstar said: I didn't expect them to play Hardschool at this show, but some time later on the tour. But I did expect Axl would sound better than he did. Mostly because of the clips from the soundcheck two days before the show - he sounded good on that Jungle clip. Given how he sounded at the show, it's for the best that they didn't debut HS. Yes, he has lost weight. At least this may put an end to the theories that his weight has much to do with his voice. Your post was right when said they isn't should play "Hardschool " in the first show 👍 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pedrolg Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2021 I don't think this has nothing to do with lazyness or fitness. This vocal damage/loss of range. Axl sings way above the healthy range for his natural register. With extreme amounts of drive while at that. This time was always going to come for him, he lasted quite long. No vocal coach, vocal exercises or time at the gym will bring him back. He needs a realistic approach to the songs, and tha takes time and experimentation. He is probably so proud of his range and power and might be struggling to come to terms with age catcing up to him. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coma16 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) @Powerage5hit the nail on the head with every song just dragging on and the 2nd half of the set being Slash soloing. I remember it felt like it sucked the air out of the shows I attended in 2017 - but they were great shows though. At $29 I'd pay to see this same show again. Probably not much more though. Glad I got my $400 refund last year... Edited August 3, 2021 by Coma16 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchisback Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, James Bond said: I honestly think there is some permanent damage and it's time to xplore new arrangements of the songs that fit his natural voice and leave the highs for the biggest of hits only (mainly Jungle, SCOM, and Paradise City). I think he could get away with only using the "signature Axl voice" on those three. I have been saying this for years. No reason a ton of these songs wouldn't work with Axl using his lower voice which is still pretty good. He always sounds good on Easy, Brownstone, DTJ, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Well this show answered for me which band to see on the 19th between GNR or The Black Crowes lol. I have zero interest in hearing the same set I essentially heard in 2016 but with a vocally worse Axl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sosso Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Slash, Richard, Duff and Frank should form a side project and release new songs. That's more realistic than with Guns right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 35 minutes ago, Pedrolg said: Wow. It seems that this could really be the end of the line for Axl, or at least for Axl as we know him since 2011. It's been downhill since 2016, to be honest. His voice sounds absolutely fried, he has no control, no power. I honestly think he overdid it with AC/DC and the endless touring. I hope he has the clarity to take a step back and consider tuning down or reworking his approach to his songs. Agreed about the AC/DC tour, it's when his voice started consistently cracking, and it was all downhill from there. The excessive NITL touring just added to the damage he'd already done. They could honestly play a 2.5-3 hour show that sounds great. Save the rasp for a couple songs, drop a couple hits that haven't sounded good in years, and utilize his natural voice. But like @Pedrolg said, he's probably too proud/stubborn to admit he can't sing a lot of his own songs anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoForJMark Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 https://streamable.com/xtp9yq Axl could've eaily nailed this. There's more intrumental breaks than him singing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystery Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, Pedrolg said: I don't think this has nothing to do with lazyness or fitness. This vocal damage/loss of range. Axl sings way above the healthy range for his natural register. With extreme amounts of drive while at that. This time was always going to come for him, he lasted quite long. No vocal coach, vocal exercises or time at the gym will bring him back. He needs a realistic approach to the songs, and tha takes time and experimentation. He is probably so proud of his range and power and might be struggling to come to terms with age catcing up to him. You probably have the most rational take on this. It's been a slow decline for Axl vocally since 93 even though he's had some great stretches since. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vloors Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Pedrolg said: Wow. It seems that this could really be the end of the line for Axl, or at least for Axl as we know him since 2011. It's been downhill since 2016, to be honest. His voice sounds absolutely fried, he has no control, no power. I honestly think he overdid it with AC/DC and the endless touring. I hope he has the clarity to take a step back and consider tuning down or reworking his approach to his songs. Dude needs vocal surgery. Lots of singers have done this and restored their vocals. Edited August 3, 2021 by vloors 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystery Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, vloors said: Dude needs vocal surgery. Lots of singers have done this and restored their vocals. He probably did in the 90s. His voice sounded noticeably cleaner and less raspy on the few recordings he did from 94-00. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powerage5 Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 24 minutes ago, agustingloger said: Worst GNR show since the reunion and magically the forum is offline for two days 👀 Let’s not go into conspiracy territory. Purely a financial decision based on server costs when our traffic spiked: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bitchisback Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2021 So I was at the show. And I had a good time. There were definitely struggles, there were a lot of issues with the sound and mix of the show. Axl was clearly pissed off. The show ended abruptly. They walked off the stage after PC with no pyro, no confetti, they didn't come out and bow at the end. They skipped whatever else they were going to play in the encore so clearly something was wrong. They announced the show was going to start an hour earlier and then it didn't, so I wonder if they were just having sound issues from the beginning. Might have been why they did so many soundchecks. Axl was fine. I think people are too hard on him sometimes. There were clearly rough spots. But I think there were a lot of highs too. He sounded good in a lot of songs, and going back and watching some videos it's just weird how much better his voice sounds live than recorded on a cell phone. Idk. I'm not going to kill him.. there were clearly issues across the board and hopefully that gets fixed. I think what is jarring to me is when I left the show I talked to a lot of people and asked everyone what they thought and so many people commented how good the band sounded, how Axl still has it, how tight the band was, how good Axl was, etc. And the few professional reviews I read were very positive too. So it just makes me think that we focus on the bad parts like better (oh god that song was a mess) and not on the good parts, because there were a lot of them. My girlfriend for example thought he sounded great on Slither, and on other songs too, where he normally gets killed for Slither here. The setlist being the same was definitely a bit disappointing, but it's also a good set. It felt better without the fat like black hole sun, wish you were here, etc. The band was just playing hit after hit and the band was really good. Honestly I mostly show up for Slash there days and I thought he was awesome. As usual. I know people complain about all the jams/solos etc but that blows my mind. Slash was on fire, and every time he took center stage whether it was the little jam before Jungle or SCOM or his in song jamming like DTJ and RQ it was just a treat. Slash was fantastic and well worth the price of admission. I could watch him play guitar all day. Overall this wasn't the best GnR show I ever saw, but it wasn't the worst either (I'm looking at you Bethlehem 2014)! I thought there were a lot of highs during the show and just being at a show again was overwhelming. Not gonna lie I teared up during Jungle. I have no regrets about going or how much money it cost. Hershey is the absolute worst venue for a concert and I hope to never go there again, but I enjoyed the show and that's good enough for me 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020_Intensions Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I was at the show. I was blown away by how Axl sounded. I thought he did a really good job given the current state of his voice. It was a lot better than the last time I saw them in 2019 at the Charlotte show. And it was awesome for me to get to hear Dead Horse live for the first time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchisback Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Just now, 2020_Intensions said: I was at the show. I was blown away by how Axl sounded. I thought he did a really good job given the current state of his voice. It was a lot better than the last time I saw them in 2019 at the Charlotte show. And it was awesome for me to get to hear Dead Horse live for the first time. I agree. Axl at times was really good. Again it's easy to pick out the times he wasn't and focus on them but I think that he was good way more often than not. But whatever. Hearing Slither, Dead Horse and You're Crazy was awesome. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Powerage5 said: Let’s not go into conspiracy territory. Purely a financial decision based on server costs when our traffic spiked: My working theory was you guys heard this show's YCBM and decided to shut down the forum and follow Dead and Company instead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchisback Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 "And if you’re wondering if Guns N’ Roses still has it - time takes a toll on everyone, particularly singers - the answer is absolutely yes. Rose’s trademark wail is still belting out over songs like “Paradise City,” which is remarkable not only for his continued strength since 1985, but also over a year’s hiatus in live performances." https://www.pennlive.com/entertainment/2021/08/guns-n-roses-at-hersheypark-stadium-how-was-the-first-big-concert-since-the-pandemic-began.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabioRoses Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 How Hard can it be to choose your setlist based on current Axl's voice? He could do 15+ songs and sound good, Plus 5 or 6 sounding passable. Its not that Hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchisback Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 "And it was almost like vintage 1988 Axl was in the house, swinging and swaying back and forth, just as you’d hope he might. Vocally, he has to really reach for some of the notes these days, but he was in otherwise strong voice."oses-first-show-2021/?utm_source= https://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-first-show-2021/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyWoodRose84 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, Sosso said: Slash, Richard, Duff and Frank should form a side project and release new songs. That's more realistic than with Guns right now. Yeah and they should call it Velvet Revolver. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GNRfanMILO Posted August 3, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 3, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Bitchisback said: He sounded good in a lot of songs, and going back and watching some videos it's just weird how much better his voice sounds live than recorded on a cell phone. That is just not true. Cellphone videos (SPECIALLY in 2021) sound exactly like what you hear when you are there. Cellphone videos don't add or remove rasp. Axl sounds like shit live and on video. Edited August 3, 2021 by GNRfanMILO 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadApples87 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Axl voice was horrible at this show. Mickey in the Fn house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknroll41 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 As others are saying on here: He may be thinner now, but his voice is still shit. I agree with most of you here that they should revamp the setlist to focus primarily on low-register songs, with the exception of the “AFD big three” and November Rain, as those four tracks will probably always need to be part of the set no matter what. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitchisback Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, GNRfanMILO said: That is just not true. Cellphone videos (SPECIALLY in 2021) sound exactly like what you hear when you are there. Cellphone videos don't add or remove rasp. Axl sounds like shit live and on video. I mean most people who goes to the shows seem to disagree. The reaction at Hershey was pretty positive. But I'm not going to argue about it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhazUp Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Bitchisback said: "And it was almost like vintage 1988 Axl was in the house, swinging and swaying back and forth, just as you’d hope he might. Vocally, he has to really reach for some of the notes these days, but he was in otherwise strong voice."oses-first-show-2021/?utm_source= https://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-first-show-2021/ Does this guy write for the Onion by any chance? Lol 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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