gavgnr Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Blackstar said: I've bookmarked this as well as your similar post in the other thread. Why do you think there will be an instrumental and why that will be PRL/Thyme and not another one? I'm really curious about how your mind works. Any way, I give you 50% correct for your list. So what will you do if it's 50% incorrect? I’ll second that @Pele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnR Chris Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 It would be hilarious if the new record drops and there are no new vocal takes on anything. That means "Rock the Rock" will still be the newest studio studio-recorded vocals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Blackstar said: I've bookmarked this as well as your similar post in the other thread. Why do you think there will be an instrumental and why that will be PRL/Thyme and not another one? I'm really curious about how your mind works. Any way, I give you 50% correct for your list. So what will you do if it's 50% incorrect? The PRL/Thyme song isn't a given, however there was some significance to PRL and Thyme was sent for additional work (and is actually very good). PRL was high priority in 2001-2003 but it may have been abandoned due to Rose not completing lyrics or recording vocals. If Cuban Skies or State of Grace were ever finished, then they may replace but I think SOG was also abandoned. It will be way more than 50% correct. Take that to the bank. 4 minutes ago, GnR Chris said: It would be hilarious if the new record drops and there are no new vocal takes on anything. That means "Rock the Rock" will still be the newest studio studio-recorded vocals. Hilarious? This is reality my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyWoodRose84 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 24 minutes ago, Arnuld said: I will second @MaskingApathy. Have you heard anything new lately? And please tell me @Pele is wrong about that track list? Just waiting to hear him out. My inbox can definitely take messages. I’m waiting guess I’ll just need ......a little patience.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lies They Tell Posted August 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2021 26 minutes ago, Pele said: I agree with you in principle, but I think it's one of the rare occasions where something is so utterly pathetic, that the objectivity becomes really blurred. You'll see the same with some examples of modern art and performance art. I don't believe anyone who isn't a real Axl Rose fan (or a 14 year old edgelord who thinks 'pussy full of maggots' is cool) would think of this as a good song. I don't believe any general 'classic rock' fan is going to be impressed by this. Underneath the noise, there isn't a song. It couldn't be played in a bar with an acoustic guitar - it needs a wall of noise to make it 'something'. At best, you can argue it's a relatively interesting instrumental, ruined by a guy shouting juvenile obscenities in a fake London accent. Even the GNR fanbase hated it and saw it as the modern day 'My World'. There is a bit of a shift now as we are so starved of new material and some people have inexplicably seen this as a sign that there might be new songs on the horizon. Your inbox is full! I don’t understand how a person can live to be over ten years old without learning that his own opinions are not facts. How people experience art is totally subjective and no matter how much you try to rationalize your opinions, they are still just your opinions. Not everybody thinks that a song must be playable in acoustic form, for it to be a good song. That's just your opinion and I disagree with it. In my opinion you are needlessly limiting the potential of music by making those dumb rules. Just because you dislike the lyrics doesn't mean that other people can't enjoy the energy of the song. I can not fathom how blind you are to seeing things from other people’s perspectives. Seems like you live so deep inside your own little bubble that you can't separate your opinions from facts. Just the other day one of Finlands biggest radio stations played Absurd. They play mostly pop and rap music but occasionally rock as well. The song was very well received. It was praised by casuals for not being just another Welcome To The Jungle, but something fresh and energetic. You don't need to be an Axl fan or a fan of edgy lyrics to enjoy the song. This might come as a shock to you but there's many people who don't even care much about lyrics in a song. I know that this is difficult for you to grasp, but not everyone hates fake british accent either. There's tons of people who love Down On The Farm as well. The british accent is an homage to british punk rock and in my opinion that voice suits this song perfectly. But I don't expect you to agree cause I'm a big boy who understands that people have different opinions. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pele said: The PRL/Thyme song isn't a given, however there was some significance to PRL and Thyme was sent for additional work (and is actually very good). PRL was high priority in 2001-2003 but it may have been abandoned due to Rose not completing lyrics or recording vocals. If Cuban Skies or State of Grace were ever finished, then they may replace but I think SOG was also abandoned. It will be way more than 50% correct. Take that to the bank. Okay, I have noted that you said your list is 90%+ correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Pele's mind would be blown if he saw the vault. They have at least 2 albums worth of completed material that has yet to be released, not counting Silkworms. ;P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Blackstar said: Okay, I have noted that you said your list is 90%+ correct. Note it. Bookmark it. Spread the word. Deduct the Duff song and remove any allowances for additional Duff songs (including Going Down) and other instrumentals. 90% guaranteed on Rose's contributions. There were 3-4 other tracks being considered and I don't believe he finished them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackstar Posted August 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, HollyWoodRose84 said: Just waiting to hear him out. My inbox can definitely take messages. I’m waiting guess I’ll just need ......a little patience.... He has already said that his only source is himself. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Pele said: The PRL/Thyme song isn't a given, however there was some significance to PRL and Thyme was sent for additional work (and is actually very good). PRL was high priority in 2001-2003 but it may have been abandoned due to Rose not completing lyrics or recording vocals. If Cuban Skies or State of Grace were ever finished, then they may replace but I think SOG was also abandoned. It will be way more than 50% correct. Take that to the bank. Hilarious? This is reality my friend. I haven't paid attention to you lately, having dismissed you as an attention-seeking troll, but are you now saying you have insider information regarding the fate of these songs and aren't just giving opinions? How do you know PRL was a high priority up to 2003 and that Thyme was sent for additional work? In short, why should I believe this isn't just another effort to get attention after your spamming of you opinions on track list has become passé? Edited August 17, 2021 by SoulMonster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sweersa said: Pele's mind would be blown if he saw the vault. They have at least 2 albums worth of completed material that has yet to be released, not counting Silkworms. ;P I respect your input and enjoy your posts - but there isn't. They'll say there is, but there isn't. They didn't even finish 100 Cuban Skies. The bulk of 'The Vault' are instrumentals and samples composed and put together by ex-members completely untouched by the singer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Pele said: Note it. Bookmark it. Spread the word. Deduct the Duff song and remove any allowances for additional Duff songs (including Going Down) and other instrumentals. 90% guaranteed on Rose's contributions. There were 3-4 other tracks being considered and I don't believe he finished them. Oh, I see you're moving the goal posts by taking half of your list back now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 Just now, SoulMonster said: I haven't paid attention to you lately, having dismissed you as an attention-seeking troll, but are you now saying you have insider information regarding the fate of these songs and aren't just giving opinions? How do you know PRL was a high priority up to 2003 and that Thyme was sent for additional work! In short, why should I believe this isn't just another effort to get attention after your spamming of you opinions on track list has become passé? We've debated this enough on another thread. No, I'm not an insider. You carry on waiting for a bunch of new songs, with unheard vocals. Some of the fans are so desperate for new material, this band could eventually release my track-list and you'll still be saying 'that is just clearing the backlog - he'll release all the new songs soon!' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Pele said: We've debated this enough on another thread. No, I'm not an insider. You carry on waiting for a bunch of new songs, with unheard vocals. Some of the fans are so desperate for new material, this band could eventually release my track-list and you'll still be saying 'that is just clearing the backlog - he'll release all the new songs soon!' I was asking you how you know what has happened to PRL and Thyme? I really hope you will admit to it just being opinions again so we might have you kicked out of here for claiming to be an insider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, Sweersa said: Pele's mind would be blown if he saw the vault. They have at least 2 albums worth of completed material that has yet to be released, not counting Silkworms. ;P 4 minutes ago, Pele said: I respect your input and enjoy your posts - but there isn't. They'll say there is, but there isn't. They didn't even finish 100 Cuban Skies. The bulk of 'The Vault' are instrumentals and samples composed and put together by ex-members completely untouched by the singer. So here we have two people, both claiming to know what GN'R does or does not have in the vault. Sweersa has said several times that he's heard stuff we haven't (not throwing you under the bus or anything, but I believe you've said that on the forum) Pele is telling us the band has next to nothing. Both are stating what they believe to be facts, both are saying they're not claiming they're "insiders". The world of a GN'R fan is such a strange place. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 7 minutes ago, Pele said: They didn't even finish 100 Cuban Skies. The bulk of 'The Vault' are instrumentals and samples composed and put together by ex-members completely untouched by the singer. Who told you Cuban Skies wasn't finished? That had vocals by 2003. Oh, if you count instrumentals, then well over a dozen albums of material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Blackstar said: Oh, I see you're moving the goal posts by taking half of your list back now. Haha, I had a feeling you'd say that. With respect, I've no idea what Duff/Slash will bring. Rose's contributions are as follows: HardSkool (99 vocal) Atlas Shrugged (99 vocal) Silkworms (99 vocal) Knocking on Heavens Door (99 vocal) The General (07 vocal) Perhaps (99 vocal) Light My Fire (07 vocal) Oh My God (99 Vocal) Monstrosity and Cuban Skies were considered priority but I don't think they are finished, or will be anytime soon. There is a possibility Linesman, Black Hole Sun etc have been recorded as a contingency. 3 minutes ago, RussTCB said: So here we have two people, both claiming to know what GN'R does or does not have in the vault. Sweersa has said several times that he's heard stuff we haven't (not throwing you under the bus or anything, but I believe you've said that on the forum) Pele is telling us the band has next to nothing. Both are stating what they believe to be facts, both are saying they're not claiming they're "insiders". The world of a GN'R fan is such a strange place. Exciting times, as two notorious powerhouses collide. Only one can be right. Wait and see. Money is escrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, RussTCB said: Sweersa has said several times that he's heard stuff we haven't (not throwing you under the bus or anything, but I believe you've said that on the forum) There's a lot of material that's not released, well over one album. But, no one should take my word for it. Current and ex-bandmembers have also said similar things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, Sweersa said: Who told you Cuban Skies wasn't finished? That had vocals by 2003. Oh, if you count instrumentals, then well over a dozen albums of material. Nobody told me it isn't finished. In fact, I've been told the contrary. I don't believe it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Sweersa said: I messaged Fortus on whether or not he played lead at all during one or more of the solos on Absurd. Sometimes he responds to stuff, but he didn't this time, he did read it though. Guess we will have to wait for the CD booklet! The answer is in the song itself, there's no Fortus on lead guitar. It's obvious just Slash playing the solos on Absurd. Period. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RussTCB Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 It's literally like living in 2003 - 2005 all over again. Jesus. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Sweersa said: There's a lot of material that's not released, well over one album. But, no one should take my word for it. Current and ex-bandmembers have also said similar things. Of course they did! What are they gonna say - 'no there's nothing!' Someone posted an anthology of quotes by Fortus the other day. Every single time it was the same - "we have new stuff, Axl is just finishing up vox" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HollyWoodRose84 Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 17 minutes ago, Blackstar said: He has already said that his only source is himself. Ohhhhhhhhh...... guess I missed that part. carry on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Pele said: Of course they did! What are they gonna say - 'no there's nothing!' Someone posted an anthology of quotes by Fortus the other day. Every single time it was the same - "we have new stuff, Axl is just finishing up vox" Third time: How do you know the fate of songs like PRL and Thyme? Insider information or just your opinions presented as facts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted August 17, 2021 Share Posted August 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I was asking you how you know what has happened to PRL and Thyme? I really hope you will admit to it just being opinions again so we might have you kicked out of here for claiming to be an insider. He's just relying on a rumoured 2003 article in Portuguese, which allegedly mentioned PRL as the title of the follow-up to CD. Curiously, no one has posted or linked to that rumoured article or even mentioned the outlet it was published. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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