Tom2112 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 8 hours ago, Stay.Of.Execution said: Nobody saying Youtube videos lie, you just hear the voice differently when you're there. And that's a fact. Nah. You hear the audience singing along and that masks Axl singing weak. He hits the note and the crowd add the body to his voice. That's fact🤠 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnrcane Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 47 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: Nah. You hear the audience singing along and that masks Axl singing weak. He hits the note and the crowd add the body to his voice. That's fact🤠 I don't think most of the crowd is hitting the high notes and adding body to his voice! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, Gnrcane said: I don't think most of the crowd is hitting the high notes and adding body to his voice! Exactly where did I say most of the crowd (or any) are hitting the high notes? I said Axl hits the high notes. You need to read more carefully. But yeah, they absofuckinglutely do add to the thickness of the lead vocal in a live setting. It's for that reason that people say "youtube videos aren't accurate. They hear this wall of sound and Axl riding on top of it, but if you strip the crowds singing and just hear Axl; he sounds weak. If that's not adding body/weight to his voice, how exactly would you describe it? I look forward to your nonsensical reply🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gnrcane Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 16 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: Exactly where did I say most of the crowd (or any) are hitting the high notes? I said Axl hits the high notes. You need to read more carefully. But yeah, they absofuckinglutely do add to the thickness of the lead vocal in a live setting. It's for that reason that people say "youtube videos aren't accurate. They hear this wall of sound and Axl riding on top of it, but if you strip the crowds singing and just hear Axl; he sounds weak. If that's not adding body/weight to his voice, how exactly would you describe it? I look forward to your nonsensical reply🤣 Why don't we hear this effect from the crowd singing on the youtube videos? I can hear people talking near the person recording sometimes. Most people don't sing along to things like YCBM and it is still a better vocal experience live than on YT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Gnrcane said: Why don't we hear this effect from the crowd singing on the youtube videos? I can hear people talking near the person recording sometimes. Most people don't sing along to things like YCBM and it is still a better vocal experience live than on YT. Not having this debate. Right up there with flat earthers and all those "elightened" folk as far as i'm concerned. Edited August 27, 2021 by Tom2112 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Powderfinger Posted August 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2021 11 hours ago, Towelie said: If you say so. Can't say it's a phenomenon I've ever encountered with any other singer I've seen live, nor have I ever heard this kind of rationale from anybody outside the GNR fanbase. Yeah I gotta agree here. Over the last few years I’ve caught Maiden, The Who, Sabbath, the stones and a few other of the “oldies” I look back at the footage from these gigs and the singers all sounded great. 4 hours ago, Blackstar said: To be fair to the "Axl sounds good in person" argument, I don't think anyone has ever claimed they've heard rasp in person that is magically taken away in videos. It's just that his clean/"mickey" voice may not sound as bad in person as in the videos (either soundboard or cell phone videos). And that could be due to a combination of factors (the mix and how it comes off in a live setting, the atmosphere, people singing along, etc.). While you’re at a gig it can be hard hear the singer sometimes when 50,000 people are howling along with him. The power of the band, etc. I’ve been surprised with some singers when I heard the gig back after. Bruce Dickinson being one of those who sounded as good and actually better in the vids I caught after than I thought on the night. I mean he sounded great there and then on the night, but he hits some high notes and holds them and stoned/drunken fans sound like a bag of cats in the arena singing along with him. I saw Neil Young in 96, and I left thinking that’s the best gig I’ve seen or will see. That feeling stayed with me for years. Last year a bootleg video of the gig appeared on YouTube, 25 years after it, and a lot of gigs and more Neil Young gigs later, the boot blew my mind. It was as good a show as I had experienced and remembered. Bootlegs never lie, to the point where some bands live boots were what made them famous. Grateful Dead, Nirvana and loads more. YouTube is just the new blank cassette show trading of the 70s/80s/90s. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post James Bond Posted August 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted August 27, 2021 I think people just overlap and confuse a couple of things - Axl's vocal quality versus the concert experience. The concert experience is one thing. Obviously everybody goes and has a great time. The band is loud, and you aren't there to nitpick every last note or whatever. Axl's vocal quality, however, is another, and in a thread on a Guns N' Roses forum where Axl's Voice in particular is literally the title then of course his voice is going to be discussed. Pro shot, bootlegs, YouTube - for better or for worse. It's not to take away from the people who go and enjoy themselves. The "can't judge on YouTube" argument is incredibly flawed because if someone says Axl sounds great nobody says "how can you tell he sounds great? It sounds different in person!" but yet that's the first retort when people comment on his voice on weaker shows. Conveniently the argument never seems to come up when discussing 2010 vocals, or 2016 vocals, or AXL/DC vocals. And following the same logic, we also shouldn't be allowed to discuss how he sounded in particular years. 1992 was always a favorite of mine but I guess I can't actually say he sounded good in Paris that year because I wasn't there and all I have is a recording. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl4yer Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I don’t think his voice improved from last year. Tbh I think vocally 2021 is his worst year vocally. 2018 gets a lot of hate - but he was only struggling with TIL. Now he is struggling with a lot of songs. Dead Horse, Coma, TIL, SOYL, Locomotive all have been dropped because he can no longer sing them. If you listen to the bridge of Better of YCBM - he has a really hard time with hitting the notes. He could still pull it off in 2019 and 2020. But I’m not hating on the guy. He seems to be trying his best every show, he seems like he’s enjoying himself a lot more than in past few years, he looks much better and it’s really fun to watch him perform again. I don’t think he is even able to improve his vocals from now. I mean - he can always improve but there will be no miracle. It’s permanently damaged. I still can’t wait to see them live and as I said before, his attitude seems to be much better and the rest of the band is doing great, the energy is there. I hope COVID won’t fuck up EU tour next year and I’ll get to see them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabioRoses Posted August 27, 2021 Share Posted August 27, 2021 Those guys are talking about Axl Rose's voice. To anyone who cares. It's in Portuguese, but you can watch with CC on and should get it with no problem. I'm no vocal expert and don't know if they're right or wrong, just sharing it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, sl4yer said: I don’t think his voice improved from last year. Tbh I think vocally 2021 is his worst year vocally. 2018 gets a lot of hate - but he was only struggling with TIL. Now he is struggling with a lot of songs. Dead Horse, Coma, TIL, SOYL, Locomotive all have been dropped because he can no longer sing them. If you listen to the bridge of Better of YCBM - he has a really hard time with hitting the notes. He could still pull it off in 2019 and 2020. But I’m not hating on the guy. He seems to be trying his best every show, he seems like he’s enjoying himself a lot more than in past few years, he looks much better and it’s really fun to watch him perform again. I don’t think he is even able to improve his vocals from now. I mean - he can always improve but there will be no miracle. It’s permanently damaged. I still can’t wait to see them live and as I said before, his attitude seems to be much better and the rest of the band is doing great, the energy is there. I hope COVID won’t fuck up EU tour next year and I’ll get to see them Yeah, we're not getting to the 2016 level ever again, let alone anything better. It was the AC/DC thing that did the permanent damage, but it was a once in a lifetime opportunity, and I understand that he had to do it, what with him being a fan and them being legends etc. I just hope he'll employ some sort of sustainable strategy so that he can sing and tour at all. And I still believe in his studio abilities. Listen to Berlin '18 and then to Rock the Rock. Same year, two different people. Edited August 28, 2021 by jamillos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystery Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 On 8/27/2021 at 7:40 AM, whatashame said: I watched a 2012 show the other day and I got to thinking how ever since 2006 every new rendition of GNR has been seen by me as the worst ever, only to grow on me once a newer , worse one came on the horizon. I never thought anything worse than 2016 could happen in the GNR universe, and then Axl got fatter and his hair got worse in 2018. And then I thought you can't beat that and we got Hershey 2021. Going back to 2006 shows is such a blast. And to think we used to consider Axl fat in 2006. Did anyone consider him fat in 2006? That was probably the best he looked publicly since 1993. I remember that being a criticism in 2001, feel like so much so that he was in real good shape at the end of 2001. He looked amazing at those December 2001 shows, somehow he let himself go real quick only 8 months later in August 2002. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDemocracyRose Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, jamillos said: Yeah, we're not getting to the 2016 level ever again, let alone anything better. It was the AC/DC thing that did the permanent damage, but it was a once in a lifetime opportunity, and I understand that he had to do it, what with him being a fan and them being legends etc. I just hope he'll employ some sort of sustainable strategy so that he can sing and tour at all. And I still believe in his studio abilities. Listen to Berlin '18 and then to Rock the Rock. Same year, two different people. About the AC/DC thing I don't think it destroyed his voice. Imo it's more about Axl not taking care of his voice 24/7. I could be wrong but the more he sings the better he sounds... Edited August 28, 2021 by TheDemocracyRose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, TheDemocracyRose said: About the AC/DC thing I don't think it destroyed his voice. Imo it's more about Axl not taking care of his voice 24/7. I could be wrong but the more he sings the better he sounds... It's been going steadily downhill since 2017... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDemocracyRose Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, jamillos said: It's been going steadily downhill since 2017... Yes but with long breaks. I don't think he is taking enough care of his voice in these breaks. He's always starting out weak also before AC/DC... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mystery Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 hours ago, TheDemocracyRose said: About the AC/DC thing I don't think it destroyed his voice. Imo it's more about Axl not taking care of his voice 24/7. I could be wrong but the more he sings the better he sounds... It feels like he used a decade worth of rasp in those few months touring with AC/DC. It almost feels like the UYI tour where it was all rasp all the time. Honestly felt like he put way more effort with AC/DC than his own band. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanecrescente Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 His 2001 voice was worse than this yet in 2006 was arguably at its best ever it seems from show videos... he got it back somehow before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDemocracyRose Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, mystery said: I Honestly felt like he put way more effort with AC/DC than his own band. He rehearsed a lot with them before the tour. I guess he don't do that with GNR. He should work on his voice everyday... It would be interesting to hear how Axl would handle a new round with Angus... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, TheDemocracyRose said: Yes but with long breaks. I don't think he is taking enough care of his voice in these breaks. He's always starting out weak also before AC/DC... Long or short, his condition nowadays is like something we would call "his voice was shot", like Berlin 2018, only now it's permanent. Even those rare moments where he goes for rasp are bad (with some exceptions). 2016 is levels away. I'm not bitching btw, but this is the thread to discuss it. I don't see him getting back even to the 2017 level; I just hope he'll preserve the voice somehow to be able to sing at all in the future. And as I've said, I believe he's still a beast in the studio. 9 hours ago, TheDemocracyRose said: He rehearsed a lot with them before the tour. I guess he don't do that with GNR. He should work on his voice everyday... It would be interesting to hear how Axl would handle a new round with Angus... He wouldn't. There's no way in hell he could sing any of that in 2021. Edited August 29, 2021 by jamillos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mingsubu Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I was at the vegas show. God, that mickey vocal is horrible. Laughable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDemocracyRose Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, jamillos said: He wouldn't. There's no way in hell he could sing any of that in 2021. I'm not sure with the right preparations. Imo the main problem is that Axl probably don't work with his voice in tour breaks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axljungle Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, kanecrescente said: His 2001 voice was worse than this yet in 2006 was arguably at its best ever it seems from show videos... he got it back somehow before I saw Guns in 2006 and 2010 and 2006 was worse. 2010 was the best year after 1993. Strong voice, Had rasp and a lot of energy. I saw them in 2017 too, and was great, but the best voice for me was 2010. Edited August 29, 2021 by axljungle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 12 hours ago, kanecrescente said: His 2001 voice was worse than this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumandraisin Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, axljungle said: I saw Guns in 2006 and 2010 and 2006 was worse. 2010 was the best year after 1993. Strong voice, Had rasp and a lot of energy. I saw them in 2017 too, and was great, but the best voice for me was 2010. Absolutely, saw a clip from the pro shot puerto Rico show the other day of Rocket Queen. Even from the start, the lower range parts are full rasp, sand paper aggression. Superb. Of course it couldn't last and I'm guessing it really damaged him long term after 2010. Since then he's had moments of rasp of course and 2016 was solid, but give him a break. He's still great just singing differently, and I don't mind at all takjng into account his age. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axljungle Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 42 minutes ago, rumandraisin said: Absolutely, saw a clip from the pro shot puerto Rico show the other day of Rocket Queen. Even from the start, the lower range parts are full rasp, sand paper aggression. Superb. Of course it couldn't last and I'm guessing it really damaged him long term after 2010. Since then he's had moments of rasp of course and 2016 was solid, but give him a break. He's still great just singing differently, and I don't mind at all takjng into account his age. And YouTube vids sound like shit. I remember see some vídeos after Madrid show, and sound worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trqster Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 IMO the whole AC/DC tour thing damaged permanently Axl's voice and since '17 his voice was never the same especially at higher pitch/rasp where he obviously suffers now. Maybe it's also age related. All in all Axl's still got one hell of voice at his age - a shame he's loosing his legendary stamina on stage too. Let's take it for what it is. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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