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Look Away documentary - #MeToo Axl Rose / Steven Tyler


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50 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I haven't been able to find a way to watch it so far.

Did Sheila Kennedy say she was 18 then? Also did she mention that another man (Riki Racthman) was present? Judging from the article in The Sun, she hid that detail.

She she said had been the cover girl for a mans magazine 4 times before the incident. She was probably early 20s at the time. She didn't mention Riki but she did say that axl was with her friend in the hotel room at the time she was there.

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5 hours ago, Towelie said:

It seems that women are untouchable these days. Im not saying that a lot of these women weren't mistreated back in the day, but is ruining a mans career and livelihood really fair game for something that may or may not have happened 30yrs ago?

How is it ruining his career and livelihood that women are sharing their stories? It seems to me the majority of fans either don't care or choose not to believe the victims. Even if there are some who do believe the stories, I still don't see it having much of an impact on him. I'd say he's got off with very little consequences. He could have ended up in prison.

 

5 hours ago, Towelie said:

Now if we're talking about rape here or underrage stuff, then by all means, call out these men. But in Axl's case, and in many others, we're not dealing with that stuff and I think some of these women are just abusing their position just like the men did against them back in the day.

Rape and underage stuff is exactly what he's been accused of among other things. You choose to believe it didn't happen and that the women are all liars, but you weren't there.

 

5 hours ago, Towelie said:

I'm sorry, but fuck off grifter. These chancers give real victims a bad name. Just because someone says they were a victim, it doesn't mean they actually were. People lie, embellish, especially those with a loose moral compass who probably fucked a tonne of famous rockstars back in the day. 

And just because somebody says it's a lie doesn't mean that it actually is.

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3 hours ago, BrayWyatt said:

She she said had been the cover girl for a mans magazine 4 times before the incident. She was probably early 20s at the time. She didn't mention Riki but she did say that axl was with her friend in the hotel room at the time she was there.

Probably late 20s (since she's Axl's age).

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Not to excuse any of this, but I’m not sure how this will really affect public perception to “cancel” him. It was pretty low with his overall past behavior, as well as some other well known situations that were made public over the years to begin with

I don’t think there are many who hold Axl Rose to some high moral standard. It’s not a shock like Bob Dylan 

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53 minutes ago, guitarpatch said:

Not to excuse any of this, but I’m not sure how this will really affect public perception to “cancel” him. It was pretty low with his overall past behavior, as well as some other well known situations that were made public over the years to begin with

I don’t think there are many who hold Axl Rose to some high moral standard. It’s not a shock like Bob Dylan 

Yup. And also….if anyone really cared to look…..you could have a show of 40 series with 25 episodes per series and each episode being 2 hrs long…..and you would still be a long way short of covering what was going on in the 60s/70s/80s.

I mean - did the documentary actually reveal anything at all that wasn’t in the public domain (not just Axl but anyone)?

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When we all look back at this shit twenty years from now, we're all gonna roll our eyes. Social change happens organically. You can't legislate respect. You can't legislate kindness. You can remove token shit off of maple syrup bottles all you want. You can create hashtags and rail against Tweets that someone made ten years ago all day long on Twitter. But you can not make people be nice to one another. It's just not possible.

 

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I think if Axl was gonna be cancelled it would have already happened. If I recall correctly this was already made a big deal after the reunion and it did little to no damage.

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13 minutes ago, Jw224 said:

I think if Axl was gonna be cancelled it would have already happened. If I recall correctly this was already made a big deal after the reunion and it did little to no damage.

Well, all of that was true for MJ, and it didn't stop them trying to cancel him.

I think how successfully someone is cancelled depends on the fanbase of the artist/actor. The likes of MJ, Johnny Depp etc are far too popular and adored to ever really be cancelled. I think GNR may also fall into that category.

Whereas nobody ever really gave a shit about Ryan Adams to begin with, and R Kelly never convincingly pleaded his own innocence, which never helps.

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