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44 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

Thanks, although I don't trust the source (and other so called "insiders") at all, especially when it comes down to the reunion and NITL era - hadn't the "information" that Slash and Duff recorded Atlas Shrugged in 2016 come from the same source?

Anyway, I don't know if Axl hates Matt so much - I don't think he does, because otherwise Matt wouldn't have been offered a guest spot under the same conditions as Steven . But, seeing how much he appreciates loyalty and wants to reciprocate, it's a logical assessment that he would prefer "his guy" (Frank and or Brain) over Matt.

To add to the above, Axl probably wouldn't have wanted a déjà vu of having all three Slash, Duff and Matt in the band, considering that the reunion was still fragile then and there were likely mutual reservations and suspicion.

Izzy is a different story. He and Axl go way back and, despite everything that has happened, there'll probably always be a bond between them. Moreover, Izzy is his own man, he's more neutral and wouldn't affect the "balance" in the band.

It also makes sense to me that Axl would consider Steven more "family" than Matt. It's something I would speculate on without having any information. But Steven wouldn't have been there in full capacity anyway.

 

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1 hour ago, themadcaplaughs said:

Take it for what it's worth, but back in 2016, MSL said that at the outset of negotiations, Slash and Duff tried to mention bringing Matt back in the fold, and were essentially told that if they asked again, negotiations would stop; it was going to be Frank and Steven (at the time) or nothing. He also said that while Axl still doesn't really like Steven Adler, he was willing to at least consider bringing him on as he had an intrinsic "value" as being part of the Appetite for Destruction band (same as Izzy). Apparently Axl still hates Matt for whatever reasons Axl has to hate Matt, but unlike Steven, Axl didn't see Matt bringing the same kind of "boost" to the tour. 

I have no beef with Matt. He was obviously the right guy at the right time, and was able to get the band to the "finish line" in terms of recording the Use Your Illusions albums, but I have never been a huge fan of his playing style with Guns N' Roses. I would actually rank him at the bottom (even under Frank). I thought he worked in Velvet Revolver a little better, I am guessing because that band was "built" around his style. 

Yeah that's what I heard too. Matt was really the only guy who was willing to directly stand up to Axl back in the day so I'm sure that has something to do with it, plus he knows that he would be a little more pushy overall if he was in the band.

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26 minutes ago, RochelleRochelle said:

I seem to remember an interview with Matt during the Nu GNR days.  He said he ran into Axl at a party in NYC, they talked, Axl gave him a ride after the party. 

It was in 2006 and he had written about it in his blog:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t5384-2006-04-13-matt-sorum-s-blog-matt-and-axl-meet-in-new-york

A little later he said that both he and Axl were drunk, and that helped (they had bumped into each other another time before that, in 2002 or 2003, and, according to Matt, it wasn't great).

Then Matt said that Axl was jealous of VR. And then, after VR split, he said he was drunk when he talked shit about Axl.

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26 minutes ago, RochelleRochelle said:

I seem to remember an interview with Matt during the Nu GNR days.  He said he ran into Axl at a party in NYC, they talked, Axl gave him a ride after the party. 

I think it was before the press release about Slash visiting his house in October 2005 that Axl and Sorum were together. After Scott Weiland responded, Sorum then jumped to the defensive and I'm sure dished out more insults. 

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2 minutes ago, Dean said:

I think it was before the press release about Slash visiting his house in October 2005 that Axl and Sorum were together. After Scott Weiland responded, Sorum then jumped to the defensive and I'm sure dished out more insults. 

Interestingly, it was after the press release. Probably Matt still didn't talk to Slash at that time because of that. But about three weeks after Matt's running into Axl, Slash and Matt did an interview together, where Slash denied he had been to Axl's house and Matt said both he and Axl were drunk when they met in NY.

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1 hour ago, Blackstar said:

It was in 2006 and he had written about it in his blog:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t5384-2006-04-13-matt-sorum-s-blog-matt-and-axl-meet-in-new-york

A little later he said that both he and Axl were drunk, and that helped (they had bumped into each other another time before that, in 2002 or 2003, and, according to Matt, it wasn't great).

Then Matt said that Axl was jealous of VR. And then, after VR split, he said he was drunk when he talked shit about Axl.

Is he trying to write a poem there or something? :lol:

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4 hours ago, RochelleRochelle said:

I seem to remember an interview with Matt during the Nu GNR days.  He said he ran into Axl at a party in NYC, they talked, Axl gave him a ride after the party. 

Reminds me of Axl and Gilby in 2000. Axl has a strange way of firing/letting go of people, hanging out and getting along with them years later, and then never seeing them again.

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19 hours ago, whatashame said:

what is this even supposed to mean "Team Brazil tries to harrass guests who appeared on the show" ? what kind of an accusation is that? So Team Brazil harrasses Duff's wife, Dizzy, Fortus, Dizzy's wife, Frank? What is this crap

 

19 hours ago, whatashame said:

I'm kinda hopin you'll tell me what's up in a paragraph or two so I don't have to read 13 pages of comments or listen to another 28 minutes of Brando's rambling.

Fernandon't, is it you?

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2 hours ago, mystery said:

Reminds me of Axl and Gilby in 2000. Axl has a strange way of firing/letting go of people, hanging out and getting along with them years later, and then never seeing them again.

yeah its a bit weird.

but at the same time, the older you get, this is quite common too from my experience.

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4 hours ago, hudsonsaul said:

yeah its a bit weird.

but at the same time, the older you get, this is quite common too from my experience.

True, it's just a life thing in general. I've always thought Axl purposefully planned that meeting with Gilby. They were both at a Roger Waters concert earlier in the night iirc. Axl probably got word that Gilby was playing later and went to check it out.

I think it might've been Axl's way of making amends since his firing never seemed personal and mostly a way to bring Paul Tobias in. A recording of that performance would be my number 1 holy grail. I'm wondering if the club recorded it?

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1 minute ago, double talkin jive mfkr said:

i find it odd that matt did not mention that encounter in his book, they seemed to have partied and hopped from one place to another, with axl dropping him off at some point 

maybe while writing the book, Matt was too bitter about not being a part of the reunion so didn't mention it. It wouldn't make him look very cool and that's something he seems to care about. Just speculation.

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20 hours ago, Blackstar said:

It was in 2006 and he had written about it in his blog:

https://www.a-4-d.com/t5384-2006-04-13-matt-sorum-s-blog-matt-and-axl-meet-in-new-york

A little later he said that both he and Axl were drunk, and that helped (they had bumped into each other another time before that, in 2002 or 2003, and, according to Matt, it wasn't great).

Then Matt said that Axl was jealous of VR. And then, after VR split, he said he was drunk when he talked shit about Axl.

Right....always blame the alcohol. 
 

People tend to forget that it actually brings out the truth when they speak while intoxicated. 

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14 hours ago, mystery said:

True, it's just a life thing in general. I've always thought Axl purposefully planned that meeting with Gilby. They were both at a Roger Waters concert earlier in the night iirc. Axl probably got word that Gilby was playing later and went to check it out.

I think it might've been Axl's way of making amends since his firing never seemed personal and mostly a way to bring Paul Tobias in. A recording of that performance would be my number 1 holy grail. I'm wondering if the club recorded it?

I could be wrong but from memory there was a snippet audience recording of when he sung Dead Flowers with GIlby? Might be mistaken though. Certainly there is the photo from the time though.

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9 minutes ago, hudsonsaul said:

I could be wrong but from memory there was a snippet audience recording of when he sung Dead Flowers with GIlby? Might be mistaken though. Certainly there is the photo from the time though.

No, there's no audio at all from the 2000 Gilby-Axl performance. A snippet some people thought might have been from that show was actually from the UYI tour.

It would be great if there was.

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Going by the theme of this thread, Axl and his management would make sure to take it down real quick. Didn't Gilby own the club? Someone should ask if a recording exists. There'd be a great possibility of having audio and video today if it happened. It's amazing how far phone technology has come and how everyone can instantly pull one from their pocket and record.

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I've heard accounts of this night but never this one, fascinating stuff. I never knew there was a possibility of Slash showing up. It might've been for the best that he didn't. Axl unintentionally did Gilby a solid by letting him go when he did. Nothing really happened on the recording and touring front and he got to escape being on Axl time in the wee hours of the morning.

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On 7/19/2021 at 6:28 AM, Ixtlan said:

Agree, but you don’t think Dizzy is a member above the rest? Or, that he is at least viewed by Axl as somewhat significant?

No. I don't. I could imagine he gets more money than the others, due to seniority and maybe Axl sees his value as the only hold over from the UYI era, but other than that. Same deal. Hired hand.

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