Ratam Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 14 hours ago, Nintari said: This is a management crew who literally hires young female models, ushers them out near the front row, groups them together and then snaps their photos so they can make people think the young and the beautiful attend the concerts on all their social media outlets. Nothing surprises me. Agree, it is shameful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ratam said: Wtf? I realize now this is 2013 thread!! July 13, not 2013 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just now, MaskingApathy said: July 13, not 2013 1 minute ago, MaskingApathy said: July 13, not 2013 Wow, sorry i read bad! 😅 now will delete. Thanks 👍 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 33 minutes ago, Ratam said: Wow, sorry i read bad! 😅 now will delete. Thanks 👍 You always make me smile, never change 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ratam Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, janrichmond said: You always make me smile, never change Same your british humour 😊 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Stay.Of.Execution said: You two are such a perfect fit We have tried hanging out, but he refuses to believe any of the post 2001 tracks I have with vocals were recorded by Axl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Sweersa said: We have tried hanging out, but he refuses to believe any of the post 2001 tracks I have with vocals were recorded by Axl Unless those tracks are Scraped, Shacklers, TIL Remix etc - then yeah I don't! Edited September 20, 2021 by Pele 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 38 minutes ago, Pele said: Unless those tracks are Scraped, Shacklers, TIL Remix etc - then yeah I don't! You will be in for a big surprise when the album drops, and/or if you visited Tom Zutaut and he shares his collection with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, Sweersa said: You will be in for a big surprise when the album drops, and/or if you visited Tom Zutaut and he shares his collection with you. Please! Ok, you've named your source so you might as well tell us what you claim 'Zodiac 13' to be now called. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayno Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 9 hours ago, Pele said: Please! Ok, you've named your source so you might as well tell us what you claim 'Zodiac 13' to be now called. What exactly are you two trying to do here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, Rayno said: What exactly are you two trying to do here? It's a game called "who has a bigger penis". They both lose 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19AT5 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, Rayno said: What exactly are you two trying to do here? Appears to be flirting. It's really quite cute! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SoulMonster Posted September 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 21, 2021 14 hours ago, Sweersa said: It's in management's best interest for an artist to perform, hence there are going to be pushed a bit. It doesn't equate to being aggressive like you implied. Axl hiring a housekeeper and her son for such a job speaks volumes, really doesn't need any explanation or much thought. They probably faked it until they made it, or made it as much as they are capable. I wouldn't be surprised if folks within the music industry find the whole thing highly unusual. Maybe it's best for Axl to hire his friends to be "management". I'm not going to hire the people who fixed my leather jacket zipper and replaced the liner to do my taxes because they are now my friends, and I'm comfortable around them. I'm sure GN'Rs incompetent management isn't helping matters with a music release, though it's probably not the only reason. We did get Absurd though, so that's something. If they manage to get Hardskool out by the end of October as planned, that would be cool. And a new album before the end of this year, even cooler. I'll give them props if they and the band see that to fruition. I would say GN'R has had far better management in the past, with obvious results. Azoff was a real piece of work, but he did get us CD. We may not have even had that if it wasn't for him. If he behaved better, maybe we would have gotten CD2 in 2009 as originally planned. It is not necessarily in the manager's best interest for the band to perform. It really depends on how the manager is compensated. Some get a cut of the profits, and then it is in the manager's personal interest for the band to release music or tour. Others don't, and then they have no incentive to get the artist to do something. Axl did not hire a housekeeper and her son. Axl promoted his personal assistant to also manage his affairs. Yes, she was a housekeeper/nanny at some point, but focusing on this aspect of her and not the executive assistant position she had back in Brazil or her long-time position as Axl's personal assistant where she also overviewed business agreements and gave counsel of business affairs, is highly disingenuous. As for Fernando, he has grown up and into his role. From one perspective, one could easily argue that no one is more experienced in handling Axl and dealing with the Guns N' Roses business. I am not saying this to mean they are good at their job, we all know there is plenty of sound criticism that can be levied at them and how Team Brazil operates, but this "Axl hired his housekeeper" is trite and pointless. As for Azoff, he was likely important in getting the Best Buy deal done that facilitated the release of Chinese Democracy, but he stood on the shoulders of previous managers who had also worked on various tasks towards the release. Suggesting that Azoff single-handedly got the record released is a big misrepresentation of the long process that culminated in the release. If anything, the CD saga informs us that other managers have NOT worked out. Business savvy, experienced managers came to short when it came to Axl. They failed. Again and again. Does that mean that only Team Brazil can manage Axl? Nope, don't think so, but he is (or has been) a quite demanding client. Can Team Brazil oversee the release of another record? Yes, why not? If Axl and the band really wants to record then I see no reason why they couldn't do that. They have successfully managed a huge amount of touring, a couple of singes were release on their watch, the AFD reissue/box, a fucking shitload of merch, the lithographs, etc. I see no reason why a new Guns N' Roses record couldn't be released while they managed the band, either, if Axl pushes for it. And that's the crux. And if another record is released, then their personal management style, unprofessional communication with the fan base, etc, becomes entirely irrelevant. At least to me. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwiguns Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, SoulMonster said: It is not necessarily in the manager's best interest for the band to perform. It really depends on how the manager is compensated. Some get a cut of the profits, and then it is in the manager's personal interest for the band to release music or tour. Others don't, and then they have no incentive to get the artist to do something. Axl did not hire a housekeeper and her son. Axl promoted his personal assistant to also manage his affairs. Yes, she was a housekeeper/nanny at some point, but focusing on this aspect of her and not the executive assistant position she had back in Brazil or her long-time position as Axl's personal assistant where she also overviewed business agreements and gave counsel of business affairs, is highly disingenuous. As for Fernando, he has grown up and into his role. From one perspective, one could easily argue that no one is more experienced in handling Axl and dealing with the Guns N' Roses business. I am not saying this to mean they are good at their job, we all know there is plenty of sound criticism that can be levied at them and how Team Brazil operates, but this "Axl hired his housekeeper" is trite and pointless. As for Azoff, he was likely important in getting the Best Buy deal done that facilitated the release of Chinese Democracy, but he stood on the shoulders of previous managers who had also worked on various tasks towards the release. Suggesting that Azoff single-handedly got the record released is a big misrepresentation of the long process that culminated in the release. If anything, the CD saga informs us that other managers have NOT worked out. Business savvy, experienced managers came to short when it came to Axl. They failed. Again and again. Does that mean that only Team Brazil can manage Axl? Nope, don't think so, but he is (or has been) a quite demanding client. Can Team Brazil oversee the release of another record? Yes, why not? If Axl and the band really wants to record then I see no reason why they couldn't do that. They have successfully managed a huge amount of touring, a couple of singes were release on their watch, the AFD reissue/box, a fucking shitload of merch, the lithographs, etc. I see no reason why a new Guns N' Roses record couldn't be released while they managed the band, either, if Axl pushes for it. And that's the crux. And if another record is released, then their personal management style, unprofessional communication with the fan base, etc, becomes entirely irrelevant. At least to me. Great response and explanation. Some seem to ignore the obvious. Slash and Duff have returned, all including Axl seem to have put the past behind them, Axl seems a very different person interms of being in a happy place, successful tours by the band have been completed and are continuing and the band have recently released Absurd. All of this has taken place under the current management team. Give credit, were credit is due.. Lastly, the housekeeper reference some use, shows ignorence. Its clear in these peoples minds, a housekeeper has no skills and nothing to offer in life. Unfortunately, it's more of a reflection on them as a person and how they view life. Any person who aspires to better themselves, to benefit their family should be admired, not put down. Edited September 21, 2021 by kiwiguns 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 11 hours ago, Rayno said: What exactly are you two trying to do here? Well I think my stance is clear. He seems to be upping the ante by suggesting he's heard (or knows someone who has heard) new material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside259 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 (edited) im from latin america and i find very disrespecful and racist the coments on team brasil being janitors or monkeys or whatever you call them, they can be some bad managers and had a bad way to do things but that s not a excuse for being racist or clasist, even the title of this tread is so childish and violate the forum norms Edited September 21, 2021 by darkside259 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweersa Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 1 minute ago, darkside259 said: im from latin america and i find very disrespecful and racist the coments on team brasil being janitors or monkeys or whatever you call them, they can be some bad managers and had a bad way to do things but that s not a excuse for being racist or clasist How exactly is that racist? If someone doesn't like someone because of their occupation, or former occupation, it doesn't imply the person who doesn't like them views them that way because of their race. You are postulating that based on assumptions. Plenty of people from Latin America also view them in the same negative way others not from that part of the world do. It has nothing to do with race, unless the person "attacking" them calls out their ethnic background, especially in a disrespectful fashion, which can also be subjective, when not descriptive. If I say something like: "I don't like construction workers working on my car because they don't know how to fix cars." It's not racist at all, even if most construction workers happen to be a majority of a particular ethnic group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powderfinger Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 It’s Axl’s decision at the end of the day, but Beta & Fernando irrespective of their early positions in life are not cut out for management. Can you picture Rod Smallwood for example, bitching out fans on social media.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSoftie Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 On 9/20/2021 at 5:57 AM, Nintari said: This is a management crew who literally hires young female models, ushers them out near the front row, groups them together and then snaps their photos so they can make people think the young and the beautiful attend the concerts on all their social media outlets. Nothing surprises me. Are they taking applications? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick85 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Honestly folks, I think this comparison is pretty unfair to all the fucking idiots out there. Not cool OP!! #BeBetter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wabby Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Pele said: Well I think my stance is clear. He seems to be upping the ante by suggesting he's heard (or knows someone who has heard) new material. “Ive never heard anything but a guy i know he’s heard it”………… lol, but seriously i believe Zodiac has vocals, from a couple people i know #notaninsider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 11 hours ago, darkside259 said: im from latin america and i find very disrespecful and racist the coments on team brasil being janitors or monkeys or whatever you call them, they can be some bad managers and had a bad way to do things but that s not a excuse for being racist or clasist, even the title of this tread is so childish and violate the forum norms This very conversation happened here a few months ago. It had the same (wrong) assumption and the same answer as it will have now. So: No, it is not racist. People are not calling TB janitors or "monkeys" (huh? haven’t seen that one) or toilet cleaners because they’re Brazilian. It’s because of Beta’s former occupation and the fact folks tend not to like her and Fernando for reasons solely related to GN’R and Axl. There hasn’t been the slightest hint at any suggestion that janitors or toilet cleaners would be exclusively connected to Brazil in any way. And when someone uses the adjective "Brazilian" in this context, that’s not because they think this crap applies to anyone from Brazil, it’s because that’s just how you denote the family. After all, they have it in their very name – Team Brazil. If they were from Norway, we would call them "that Norwegian family". If they were from China, we would call them... guess what. It would have nothing to do with the country of origin per se, like it has nothing to do with the country of origin – Brazil or Latin America – in this case. The fact that you unfortunately choose to find racism there is your problem, and there’s no reason for anyone to adjust their phrasing in order to accommodate your needs. As Steve Hughes says, if you wanna be offended, well, then be offended. Nothing happens. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside259 Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 6 hours ago, jamillos said: This very conversation happened here a few months ago. It had the same (wrong) assumption and the same answer as it will have now. So: No, it is not racist. People are not calling TB janitors or "monkeys" (huh? haven’t seen that one) or toilet cleaners because they’re Brazilian. It’s because of Beta’s former occupation and the fact folks tend not to like her and Fernando for reasons solely related to GN’R and Axl. There hasn’t been the slightest hint at any suggestion that janitors or toilet cleaners would be exclusively connected to Brazil in any way. And when someone uses the adjective "Brazilian" in this context, that’s not because they think this crap applies to anyone from Brazil, it’s because that’s just how you denote the family. After all, they have it in their very name – Team Brazil. If they were from Norway, we would call them "that Norwegian family". If they were from China, we would call them... guess what. It would have nothing to do with the country of origin per se, like it has nothing to do with the country of origin – Brazil or Latin America – in this case. The fact that you unfortunately choose to find racism there is your problem, and there’s no reason for anyone to adjust their phrasing in order to accommodate your needs. As Steve Hughes says, if you wanna be offended, well, then be offended. Nothing happens. im not offended, is just my opinion and btw there is many comments and even pictures for example "consuela"from family guy being used in this forum for mocking beta, thats funny and very fucking racist to hahahah but i guess steve could be right... then again is just my opinion maybe im wrong who knows, i just wanna some blue ray from uyi i don t really care that much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamillos Posted September 22, 2021 Share Posted September 22, 2021 50 minutes ago, darkside259 said: im not offended, is just my opinion and btw there is many comments and even pictures for example "consuela"from family guy being used in this forum for mocking beta, thats funny and very fucking racist to hahahah but i guess steve could be right... then again is just my opinion maybe im wrong who knows, i just wanna some blue ray from uyi i don t really care that much "Offended" and "finding that racist" is pretty much the same in this particular context, let’s not split hairs. As for Consuela, I know what you mean, I’ve seen it. But you know what? I bet I would find it very funny even if I was from those parts of the world. But that’s me, and I guess I can’t really assess this, since I’m not from there. Look at it this way: would you/people have found it racist 20 years ago? Before all the PC madness? Seriously, think about it. Remember the affair with Apu from the Simpsons? I think it’s just zeitgeist, an extreme reaction to extreme changes in the world, and being it just an unhealthy, unreasonable passing phenomenon (talking about PC bullshit here, not racism as such), it will go away sooner or later, like everything else. That's nature. As for the rest, I agree. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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