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Hard Skool Officially Released at Midnight - Sept 24


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2 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

That's not true, there's drum sounds on rock records that came out this year that sound much better than this song. This one should like cheap samples plus it's too obvious that the drums have been heavily quantized. Yes I know that most rock/metal nowadays has quantized/mapped drums but it doesn't sound so much like a cheap drum machine, it still sounds like a real drummer. The kick is way too loud imo, to where the rest of the kit (esp cymbals) are too soft. Cowbell needs to stand out a lot more like it does on all the old classic GnR material. There's some weird comping/editing going on with the drums too.

I know a lot of people don't like Elvis' production on SMKC and Alter Bridge but his mixes sound way better than this one. He also did the WVH and upcoming Tremonti albums and those drums (and overall mixes) sound incredible. For a band of GnR's status I would expect better. I guess it's fine if they want to keep Caram around to engineer the sessions but I think they need to get a real producer and mix engineer to work on their stuff. Like the mix on SOYL, that's what this should sound like.

Most of the cymbals used in Hard Skool are China cymbals. They’re a bit quieter in general unless turned up obnoxiously like Franks kit live before the pandemic. There’s some crash cymbals going on here and the hi hat and ride mix nicely but the faint cymbal you’re probably referring to is the China 

1 minute ago, Twinaleblood said:

But wasn't SOYL mixed by Caram too?

Believe so. As was absurd. Which in my review I just posted I think this is Frank playing even more. The drums hit different than absurd and SOYL and the kit sounds a bit different. I think it’s Frank here

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23 minutes ago, TeeJay410 said:

There is nothing more amusing than people who know nothing about mixing or producing complaining about things being copied and pasted or things being compressed or drum replacement etc. THE SOLO TO STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN WAS CUT AND PASTED TOGETHER FROM DIFFERENT TAKES. DRUMS HAVE HAD SAMPLE REPLACEMENT/SUPPORT SINCE THE 80'S. Loudness/compression wars started in the late 90's, but really with the advent of the CD. Your favorite records contain all the things you are whining about.

Thanks for saying this lol. Seeing people talk about this stuff thinking they make any sense at all is incredibly frustrating tbh.

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3 minutes ago, Gunsdrummer63 said:

Whatever snare Adler used on AFD and how they mixed that snare sound sign me up for. I don’t mind the UYI drum mixing at all (I myself am a drummer and love his kit sound on the tour and on the album) but my god Adlers snare is amazing on AFD. I think it was a black beauty but never have been able to find out for sure. 

No I think it was the deep snare you see in those pics of them playing the Troubadour and elsewhere back then. I think he just used that kit.

3 minutes ago, Twinaleblood said:

But wasn't SOYL mixed by Caram too?

Nope, mixed by Chris Lord-Alge (aka a real mix engineer). Caram wasn't involved with SOYL at all. He did do Rock the Rock however.

https://www.discogs.com/Guns-N-Roses-Shadow-Of-Your-Love/release/12868155

5 minutes ago, Gunsdrummer63 said:

Most of the cymbals used in Hard Skool are China cymbals. They’re a bit quieter in general unless turned up obnoxiously like Franks kit live before the pandemic. There’s some crash cymbals going on here and the hi hat and ride mix nicely but the faint cymbal you’re probably referring to is the China 

Believe so. As was absurd. Which in my review I just posted I think this is Frank playing even more. The drums hit different than absurd and SOYL and the kit sounds a bit different. I think it’s Frank here

I think it's Frank too but then they quantized it so much that it sounds like a robot (esp the kick). I mean in general the cymbals are kind of soft in the mix, which I think I'm perceiving that way because of the loud kick. Snare feels soft too but I'm sure it's probably fine in relation to the vocals and guitars.

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21 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I think I was the only person to say they preferred Absurd to be fair! 

I do though......

Slashs soloing on Absurd is more inspired, and the track as a whole just has a "danger" about it like ISE. None of the rerecorded HS stands out to me in any way, except for the 3 seconds of intro, and even then they have come up with cooler stuff than that in the past (Sucker Train Blues). Hopefully we'll get an album announcement tonight.

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12 minutes ago, Pele said:

It wou;dn't matter at all if there was a vault of recordings over the last two decades.

There isn't, so they are scraping together the last of what he did and the people here are falling for it.

They have literally pasted a scream from 'Eye On You' into the middle of this. 

We'll get the 'woo woo' from Quick Song pasted into Atlas next lol

Pele... If you just don't like the song comment away by all means, but if you're just here to spew out your BS about Axl only having like 5 songs left with vocals, we know your "beliefs" and we don't need to hear it again😄 Your beliefs are based on nothing, the rest of the people "falling for it" have read numerous interviews with past members, producers, engineers, Sebastian bach all confirming that there is a ton of music. Tommy said it quite plainly, there's plenty of material with vocals and plenty without as of the last time he heard anything. Why would Tommy need to make that up? he isn't under contract, he has no obligation.... he wasn't bullshitting like you, he was stating what he knows to be fact (as he actually heard the material), you know nothing as fact, and your moron "insider" knows nothing too. Kindly shut the hell up?

I'm listening to the new version and I'd say 90% is vocals from 99 (or thereabouts), there are parts that sound different too. I'm not positive about what is and isn;'t new, and I don't care. It sounds like a cool song (not their best - in line with get in the ring, shotgun blues etc), that's my takeaway from this! I couldn't give two fucks that some or maybe even all vocals were recorded 20yrs ago! Why does it matter? it really makes no difference at all. The question is do you like the song, yes or no.

 

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20 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I think you wildly over estimate how much anyone cares about when the vocal was recorded, rather than that they are 'falling for it'. 

Again, it doesn't matter when this particular vocal was done.

What matters is he is still pasting music over old vocals,

He has now resorted to lifting screams from old demos and pasting them into other songs.

He is done.

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2 minutes ago, MaskingApathy said:

No I think it was the deep snare you see in those pics of them playing the Troubadour and elsewhere back then. I think he just used that kit.

Black beauty’s can be a deep 6.5” snare like the one you see at the troubadour (which is a 6.5” Pearl or Tama)

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Okay I’ll start with the positives:

- This song is 1000 times better than ‘Absurd’ and will likely please casual GNR fans and get radio play. It’s catchy.

- The long and unnecessary intro is gone. It’s not that I didn’t like the playing but it just felt out of place and went on too long. The short bass intro is more effective IMO.

- I was never a big fan of Robin’s (I think?) weird solo in the middle of the demo and I prefer Slash’s sliding stuff.

The negatives:

- That school bell in the intro is unacceptable and maximum cheese, as is the title ‘Hard Skool’ and the artwork. I mean how old are these guys? 16 or 60?!

- The drums on the new version sound programmed and suck ass. I miss the little pre chorus drum fills from the demo too.

- Slash’s leads (excluding the slide stuff) sound a bit predictable and uninspired to me.

So overall there’s some things I prefer about the demo and vice versa. After the abomination that was Absurd though this track is definitely a step in the right direction.

Regarding the vocal track, it all sounds the same as the demo to me EXCEPT the last chorus… Im sure he’s singing ‘Throw it all away’ slightly different isn’t he??

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2 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Pele... If you just don't like the song comment away by all means, but if you're just here to spew out your BS about Axl only having like 5 songs left with vocals, we know your "beliefs" and we don't need to hear it again😄 Your beliefs are based on nothing, the rest of the people "falling for it" have read numerous interviews with past members, producers, engineers, Sebastian bach all confirming that there is a ton of music. Tommy said it quite plainly, there's plenty of material with vocals and plenty without as of the last time he heard anything. Why would Tommy need to make that up? he isn't under contract, he has no obligation.... he wasn't bullshitting like you, he was stating what he knows to be fact (as he actually heard the material), you know nothing as fact, and your moron "insider" knows nothing too. Kindly shut the hell up?

I'm listening to the new version and I'd say 90% is vocals from 99 (or thereabouts), there are parts that sound different too. I'm not positive about what is and isn;'t new, and I don't care. It sounds like a cool song (not their best - in line with get in the ring, shotgun blues etc), that's my takeaway from this! I couldn't give two fucks that some or maybe even all vocals were recorded 20yrs ago! Why does it matter? it really makes no difference at all. The question is do you like the song, yes or no.

 

The song is decent.  It was decent enough 21 years ago.

Because what else is Tommy gonna say - "no the singer doesn't record unfortunately, so no new albums".  He and Richard wanted to stay in the band, so they kept up the nonsense that Rose was still writing/recording.

Finck had enough, so told the truth.  That it was all instrumentals.

Buckethead also realized and left.

 

And in your own words, if you think Guns n Roses new single being as good as Shotgun Blues with vocals from two decades ago, then you're easily pleased.  Right after their last single, being about as good as My World.... 

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Cannot believe there are negative comments. We’ve complained for years about new music, and we get 2 releases out of the blue. Yes, they are old tracks, but they clearly have the ‘reunion’ band on it. Hopefully ‘Hardskool’ will bring some favourable reviews, for me it sounds great, and I’m happy.

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The one other critique I have is that I think each part of the solo section should be 16 bars instead of 8, feels kind of rushed otherwise. Like it goes to the cowbell part kind of quickly then it's on to the half time slide solo, I would've preferred 16 bars of cowbell then the slide. I'm just being picky now though.

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5 minutes ago, Pele said:

The song is decent.  It was decent enough 21 years ago.

Because what else is Tommy gonna say - "no the singer doesn't record unfortunately, so no new albums".  He and Richard wanted to stay in the band, so they kept up the nonsense that Rose was still writing/recording.

Finck had enough, so told the truth.  That it was all instrumentals.

Buckethead also realized and left.

 

And in your own words, if you think Guns n Roses new single being as good as Shotgun Blues with vocals from two decades ago, then you're easily pleased.  Right after their last single, being about as good as My World.... 

The statement from Tommy was during the NITL tour...  so, you know diddly squat clearly😜

I'm not easily pleased, I said it's far from their best work, I said that when I heard the 21yr old leak too, but this is better than the demo. As a GNR song it's about a 6, but I really like parts of it and I think it'll be fun live. It's also nice to have officially released GNR music, I think you need some perspective. 

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