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Hard Skool Officially Released at Midnight - Sept 24


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4 hours ago, Martin Riggs said:

So this bit was in the Billboard article about the song:

For a band with a reputation of keeping their fans waiting, GN’R is in a groove. “Hard Skool” is their second release in as many months, following the release of "Absurd," also a revamp of an unreleased song from the Chinese Democracy era.

On the latest record, Rose is listed as co-producer alongside Chinese Democracy co-producer Caram Costanzo. Seven co-writers worked on the release, just the second since the return of original members Slash and Duff McKagan in 2016 for the group's long-running Not in This Lifetime trek.

Not sure where they’re getting the 7 co-writers info unless they’re just counting all the current band members?

4 hours ago, GNR 1991 said:

who are the seven co-writers and where was that info published?

My guess is they got it from the credits in the Aien cover on youtube and Spotify. Since, like everyone, Aien don't know who wrote it, they have credited all the 1999 lineup as writers (Axl, Tobias, Dizzy, Finck, Stinson, Freese and Pitman).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbXgPz7GaXQ&list=OLAK5uy_mKeYaommiJjFjhNwCKSxbqmmApZIyam_k&index=2

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Just had another listen through some decent headphones as opposed to in ear buds. Definitely sounds a lot better but fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck me the production is messy! Not entirely sure why there is so much compression on literally everything. It is rancid! Out with that, I think the song packs a decent punch. Middle section with the slide guitar doesn't fit though. But overall, it's a lot better than Absurd, which isn't all that difficult to be fair. One of my major criticisms of ChiDem is the needless and pointless low mix instrumentation and that appears to be apparent within Hard Skool also which is a shame. But great to hear Slash taking a track and making it a lot better. Axl should really leave production duties to others though!!! Just my twopence though. 

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5 minutes ago, JimiRose said:

any radio play in UK or USA? In UK i guess it'd be planet rock, absolute radio, radio 1, radio 6 or XFM that would play it. 

I doubt Radio 1 or Radio 6 would touch GNR! 

The others maybe.....but I can't say I've heard Absurd anywhere other than my house! 

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2 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I doubt Radio 1 or Radio 6 would touch GNR! 

The others maybe.....but I can't say I've heard Absurd anywhere other than my house! 

Shaun Keavney on 6Music might play it. Steve Lamaq also perhaps. Planet Rock have now at least posted the release on their page so may be waiting until later before they play it? Christ knows though. I think the song has some radio potential. Which is more than can be said Absurd! 

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3 hours ago, GNR 1991 said:

who are the seven co-writers

Hard Skool is basically the Dead Horse intro with some Buckethead that has now been replaced with Slash emulating a bit of "Layla" and then some Mozart thrown in for good measure.

After having 200 "producers" tinker with it, they gave whatever was left of it to a 12-year old to do the final mix and mastering on Windows 95.

The song is the definition of creative and artistic bankuptcy.

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It is unfortunate the way those songs are being released,

 

1.The vast population  will not care about them they are mediocre and also released like it is an adventure game u need to go out of your way and find out that there is an new GNR song

2. They have put extra layers into an overlayered mess

3.THEY ARE 20 YEARS LATE ,on everything written by different people, played through the years by another dozen musicians, designed to be semi-industrial electronic now turned to hard rock 

4. The few people that actually care know the songs already, for 20 years , I remember just getting out of highschool with my crappy net around 2000 and downloading Silkworms

5.Everything is disconnected, the art is neutral, the handling of publicity is random no interviews no videoclips and in the end no care for the release, it is like Axl rose handed couple of demos with some orders and then went back into watching netflix in his villa

 

TLDR

Too many yes man for Axl, have some respect for yourself SLash and duff an just leave GNR again

 

THe biggest Irony is that actually listening to Slash albums with myles(I hate his vocals) SLash could come up with better hard rock riffs in 2 days than the pile of shit that ESPECIALLY Hard skool is,

 

P.S.

SIlkworms original used to be one my favourite GNR songs , the new absurd is a random mess

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Dude… this sounds like it’s supposed to be the demo. Or a fan made remix. The village leak was a lot better. Opinions can change after it sinks in more, but damn. They cut the stuff that added flavor to the song. All the cool little things cut. Slash’s solo was cool but damn and really Axl taking the Mc Daddy Haaay Haays in the breakdown lol. And how corny is the fucking locker cover and the bell in the intro… ugh

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This whole song is a mixed bag for me honestly. I'm not a huge fan of the mix, mostly the drums. Though the HQ version does sound a lot better than the original NZ rip. I like the bass-intro. The overall riff is ok but a bit less aggressive than the demo. I think the bell at the start (and the locker artwork) are cheesy. The two things that bother me the most are the bridge and the final minute. The old bridge was kept interesting because of the guitar parts and it kind of made you wonder where things were going without killing the energy of the song. The new bridge is more wailing and honestly a bit boring to me. It takes too long and loses attention and energy. The final minute was an absolute riptide you got caught in with the demo version and imo the best part about the song. And while by no means bad, the new ending (final minute) is easily 2 or 3 steps down from that. Less frantic. Those are all things that you can probably get used to and I wouldn't even notice if I hadn't heard the demo version. But they bother me now. Though I will admit that it gets better after a number of listens, I still miss the agressive energy of the demo. So far that's my honest review. Also it bothers me way more than it should that they spelled it "skool".

Maybe this song perfectly examplifies what Reunion-Guns is compared to 2001 Guns. 2001 Guns was ambitious, aggressive and had everything to prove. They had a more experimental mindset and were just so eager. Reunion Guns on the other hand is pretty much done with proving anything, they're not aggressive or eager, but more relaxed and going on whatever they have going. Without trying to make a fataxl joke, they're not hungry anymore. That's kind of how this Hardschool relates to the demo as well. 

What bothers more even more is that this was the last tiny little bit of perspective GnR fans had left. Now, I admit ABSURD came absolutely out of nowhere for us too, so this band is capable of surprises. But there's nothing else they rehearsed, nothing else that was on setlists as optionals, nothing else that's any substantial rumour. And management certainly isn't giving us anything either in terms of information/perspective. I hope GnR will do some of this soon. An announcement of an album or a new single at the very least, because we're currently back in pitchblack nothingness.

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2 minutes ago, username said:

It's interesting how they're all reporting it, but they're being very scarce with opinions on it. Nobody is really reviewing it. 

I think it's just too early. It was like that with Absurd, too. At first the sites just reported it and later some of them reviewed it.

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33 minutes ago, allwaystired said:

I doubt Radio 1 or Radio 6 would touch GNR! 

The others maybe.....but I can't say I've heard Absurd anywhere other than my house! 

I've just heard it on Planet rock, but interesting enough they seem to have cut slashes solo slightly. its only 3 and a half minutes! but it sounded like 2 bars cut off. 

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12 minutes ago, Underhardy said:

Dude… this sounds like it’s supposed to be the demo. Or a fan made remix. The village leak was a lot better. Opinions can change after it sinks in more, but damn. They cut the stuff that added flavor to the song. All the cool little things cut. Slash’s solo was cool but damn and really Axl taking the Mc Daddy Haaay Haays in the breakdown lol. And how corny is the fucking locker cover and the bell in the intro… ugh

Oh I just noticed the ultra low mixed heys heys are the same with EYe on you

It is a joke really axl cant get rid off some ideas once they stuck into his mind

He actually needs to have EVERY SINGLE SHIT RIFF AND IDEA stuff into this bloated songs

both songs really show they have been over over over baked and thought over for 25 years

 

I was always PRO axl in this band but at the moment the only hope is to let DUff and SLah write fresh riffs in couple songs  lets see 

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I've never heard the leaks or any hint of the song previously and just listened for the first time.  My reaction:

It's an OK song.  Nothing special but better than Absurd.  Certainly it won't go down as a GNR classic.  I think there is a reason it was unreleased for 20 years.  Several CD songs are much better.  I won't mind if it is in the set when I go to the last USA show but I won't be devastated if it isn't.

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2 minutes ago, Gnrcane said:

I've never heard the leaks or any hint of the song previously and just listened for the first time.  My reaction:

It's an OK song.  Nothing special but better than Absurd.  Certainly it won't go down as a GNR classic.  I think there is a reason it was unreleased for 20 years.  Several CD songs are much better.  I won't mind if it is in the set when I go to the last USA show but I won't be devastated if it isn't.

You should really listen to The Village Sessions. But honestly, everybody should. It's the best GnR-related thing that has become available since UYI imo. And that's despite GnR and TB rather than because of them. 

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These are just songs. Some will love them, some not but the level of hatred (ok, let’s call it extreme dislike) some seem to have for a pretty straight forward rock song by GN’R is baffling. Look, I get that people are starved for new matrial that was written by Axl, Slash and Duff but this is what we are getting for now, for better or worse. I dig it, GN’R are releasing songs and this one even has the feel of old school GN’R. It’s catchy and is straight to the point.

Plenty of bands release material that was left over from other album sessions, although most would probably record everything from scratch but that just isn’t the Axl way. He mixed it up on CD with older vocal takes and newer as well. If we’ll see a new record it will be the same way. And let’s not forget that for the majority of people this is new since the leaks only reached a very limited number of people.

Having said that, I think the song will do very well if they promote it. Throw out a press release and maybe do some interviews.

For the ones complaining, you can probably expect more of the same if/when a new album comes around. You’ll probably get a few Axl/Slash/Duff songs too but expect more “leftovers”. Axl will want at least some of that stuff out.

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3 minutes ago, mustaine said:

For the ones complaining, you can probably expect more of the same if/when a new album comes around. 

The band have publicly said nothing about any of these songs and there are currently no tour dates immediately coming up for this to promote. From a marketing point of view it is really weird that this has been released when it has. You'd expect a press release or a band member to say something but nope.

It's not about promoting the single - singles promote things. What the hell is this promoting?

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