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Hard Skool Officially Released at Midnight - Sept 24


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2 hours ago, thunderram said:


Yes, it is new if it hasn’t been released nor heard by the vast majority.

When the UYI albums dropped, nobody was complaining that many of the songs had been worked on for years. Even before AFD ever dropped.

There were songs from AFD and LIES that were tunes brought over from previous bands. 

What’s the difference?

Doesn’t matter whether parts existed and/or were recorded in 1999 or 2005 or 2016 or 2020. The final result is new and previously unreleased just as NR, Don’t Cry, Back Off Bitch, and others were in late 1991.

And these 2 new tunes have SLASH and DUFF’s input/additions to them.

It’s no different than when AXL had most of NR and Estranged already worked out only to have SLASH contribute to it. Or when SLASH had ‘Girth’ as his own baby and AXL wrote lyrics for it.

These two songs are ideas AXL brought to the table that SLASH and DUFF have now contributed to and made their own.

They are new songs. The only notable difference is how long the core of the work sat idle until being officially completed and released.

Hardcore fans are too obsessed and focused over the fact that they’ve known about the projects for years and had heard leaked demo versions due to the day and age we live in where things aren’t able to be kept in the dark as easily as they used to be.

95%+ of those that consider themselves GN’R fans but aren’t the hardcore types living on fan forums or actively searching for unreleased demo content have never heard of or about any the 3 songs that have released over the past few years.

I dont like cut and paste songs that took minimal effort on Axls part. Theres just no feeling, effort or real collaboration there from a bands perspective.

Dude couldnt even be bothered to do some new ohhs aahhs heys etc so they cut/pasted parts of Eye on You.  Whats Axl bringing to the table other than his producer using cut paste skills on 22 year old vocals these days? Out of style vocal/lyrics at that too. 

I would prefer they create something new as a collaboration instead of Axl saying here use these 22 year old out of style vocals I made when doing my new metal/solo phase and try and work something around them. Then not bothering showing up in the studio for even new overdubs. 

Both songs in my opinion sound too outdated to be on commercial radio for new rock stations, not classic sounding enough for classic rock radio and not pop enough to gain attention on mainstream either.

I dont think they will be hits for the 95% of fans you mention because they are the ones hanging onto afd/lies/llusions type records. With no advertising, interviews, promotion or probably radio play I doubt a high number of them even know these new songs exist, let alone be interested in them.  

Guess that leaves us 5 percent living on fan forums that they should be trying to impress hey. 

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8 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

It really is bad. There's a fuck load of additional unneccessary crap underneath during the middle breakdown and the last chorus. That amount of compression should also be illegal! 

Surely you don’t mean Axl’s “hey heyyyy”? I mean they had to put SOMETHING Axl on that lengthy breakdown since he couldn’t be bothered to write or sing more lyrics over it. It’s like they’re reminding us “don’t mind this long instrumental section, we can assure you this is still a fn GNFNR song fam, listen closely, there he is!”

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12 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

Sounds like they need Bob Ludwig back, or is this a mixing issue and not mastering? 

I'm not an expert in either, but I think it's a little of both. 

7 minutes ago, 19AT5 said:

It really is bad. There's a fuck load of additional unneccessary crap underneath during the middle breakdown and the last chorus. That amount of compression should also be illegal! 

All I can do is agree :/

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9 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Man, I feel stupid almost listening to everyone talking about the mix. Should I be hating this? Idk, I don’t feel like there’s anything wrong with it. I’m not an audiophile perse but I’ve played music in bands for years. :shrugs:

I'm fairly useless at breaking down the component parts of a track. I read some of these posts and think what am I missing here? I don't disbelieve them, I just don't possess those skills. I just either like it or don't. :lol:

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I agree is not that good as their previous works but it's like all bands. ACDC never topped Back in black stuff again , Metallica after Master of puppets the same.... It could be better? Yes. It could be worse? Hell yes! At the end of the day is a new Axl/Slash song. How long we've been waiting for this? I never thought they would be togheter again so this still a dream come true. Some people here are never satisfied...

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14 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said:

Man, I feel stupid almost listening to everyone talking about the mix. Should I be hating this? Idk, I don’t feel like there’s anything wrong with it. I’m not an audiophile perse but I’ve played music in bands for years. :shrugs:

Agreed, I think people here just like to complain about mixes endlessly. 
 

I’m sure if people go looking for things they could have done differently in the mix they’ll find them. But the song still kicks ass. 

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14 minutes ago, vloors said:

I dont like cut and paste songs that took minimal effort on Axls part. Theres just no feeling, effort or real collaboration there from a bands perspective.

Dude couldnt even be bothered to do some new ohhs aahhs heys etc so they cut/pasted parts of Eye on You.  Whats Axl bringing to the table other than his producer using cut paste skills on 22 year old vocals these days? Out of style vocal/lyrics at that too. 

I would prefer they create something new as a collaboration instead of Axl saying here use these 22 year old out of style vocals I made when doing my new metal/solo phase and try and work something around them. Then not bothering showing up in the studio for even new overdubs. 

Both songs in my opinion sound too outdated to be on commercial radio for new rock stations, not classic sounding enough for classic rock radio and not pop enough to gain attention on mainstream either.

I dont think they will be hits for the 95% of fans you mention because they are the ones hanging onto afd/lies/llusions type records. With no advertising, interviews, promotion or probably radio play I doubt a high number of them even know these new songs exist, let alone be interested in them.  

Guess that leaves us 5 percent living on fan forums that they should be trying to impress hey. 

Well said. Agreed 100%.

Now some people would come and say "you guys are just nagging regardless of these new band activities"

To each their own. 

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I usually don't like making sweeping generalizations or painting everyone with the same brush, but, anyone here who was expecting anything different than what we're getting from Axl right now was setting themselves up for disappointment. 

I can empathize with being frustrated at the situation, but, any idea that they were going to get into a room together for six to eight months, write, rehearse, pre-produce, and record a brand new album from scratch is pure fantasy, at this point in their lives.

A lot of their contemporaries still make albums because it's really all they've known since they were teenagers, and many of never stopped making albums.  They just sort of carried on.

You really have to want to do it for the love of it, in this day and age, because there's certainly no money in making a full album anymore.  Slash may operate that way in his solo career, but, that was never going to be GN'R. 

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2 minutes ago, oneway23 said:

I usually don't like making sweeping generalizations or painting everyone with the same brush, but, anyone here who was expecting anything different than what we're getting from Axl right now was setting themselves up for disappointment. 

I can empathize with being frustrated at the situation, but, any idea that they were going to get into a room together for six to eight months, write, rehearse, pre-produce, and record a brand new album from scratch is pure fantasy, at this point in their lives.

A lot of their contemporaries still make albums because it's all they've known since they were teenagers, and many of them also never stopped making albums.  They just sort of carried on. You have to want to do it for the love of it, because there's certainly no money in making a full album anymore.  Slash may operate that way in his solo career, but, that was never going to be GN'R. 

I get it. Axl will record in the studio for cartoons he likes but not for his band or gnr fans lol. Priorities hey.

Rest of the band have proven they have no issues making new music. 

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Guys,you can't recreate AFD or UYI IN 2021.

People complained about overproduction in CD and now that we have a rocker closer than anything to AFD/UYI sound people still compain.

If we get an album sounding like Hard Skool it will be HUGE,soundwise,in 2021.

Rock on

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5 minutes ago, jip said:

Guys,you can't recreate AFD or UYI IN 2021.

People complained about overproduction in CD and now that we have a rocker closer than anything to AFD/UYI sound people still compain.

If we get an album sounding like Hard Skool it will be HUGE,soundwise,in 2021.

Rock on

Say what you want about CD being over produced etc. BUT the final release wasn't as badly mixed (rushed I would say), clusterfuck, patchwork and mashup of different tracks like HS and Absurd. Even when it comes to artwork, it's obvious there is zero fucks given. HS coverart is taken from a stock image lol

This band is finished since 2012. There were some glimpes of excitement like the reunion in 2016 but that's it.

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I think people HAVE to find something to complain about this band for happiness. if they don't change the setlist, they complain. if they change, again, complains.

if they release something, complain the living crap out of if. if they dont release, complain 10 times more

GNR 2021 will never be or do something like 87 through 93, if you can guys can just accept that...

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I don't get it, both songs sound good to me, production wise. The drums on HS sound better/ worse on different sound systems, apart from that it sounds good.

I don't know, I'm pretty sure if the Illusions got released today you guys would rip it into pieces as well.

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3 minutes ago, ©GnrPersia said:

Say what you want about CD being over produced etc. BUT the final release wasn't as badly mixed (rushed I would say), clusterfuck, patchwork and mashup of different tracks like HS and Absurd.

This band is finished since 2012. There were some glimpes of excitement like the reunion in 2016 but that's it.

Guns is a huge as Zeppelin/Stones so they will keep touring as everyone.They will always have sold out arenas.If we get some new music i will gladly accept it.Simple as that

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Just now, ©GnrPersia said:

Black_Sabbath_13.jpg

Knew somebody was going to mention this one as soon as I typed that, but, come on?  No context and no comment?

#1 - Sabbath did it, sure, but, the band and the name Black Sabbath never really went away as a recording entity, did it? 

#2- Sabbath tried for over twenty years to record a reunion album, starting & stopping at least three times over the decades, before they finally hunkered down and got it done.  Also, they only re-united with Ozzy once Dio died, or else Heaven & Hell likely wouldn't have stopped.

#3 - Most importantly, IMO, Ozzy Tony or Geezer never stopped making recording and releasing albums like Axl did.  Say what you want about Ozzy on a reality show, or Ozzy's performances now, but, all three were ACTIVE recording and touring artists, each releasing numerous records, with numerous collaborators, for decades before reuniting.  Axl  stayed hunkered down in a bunker for nearly fifteen years, for the most part, second-guessing himself, and largely outside of the public eye, aside from a handful of tours.

 Not even closely comparable.

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