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Hard Skool Officially Released at Midnight - Sept 24


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why is there hardly any promotion for the song......Duff said on his radio that he will let the song do they talk well susan said it but still.....like idgi. It is being received much better than absurd at least.  Like they could have thrown together a lyric video like Shadow or MTTC. But we only get one post and nothing else, watch them ignore it on Sunday too lol. Very strange, if this is for an album or ep they would have announced that with the single release. Or if this is just for a tour, it is ending in 4 shows and they won't play again till June 2022. I am very confused.

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Fair enough Axl wrote some cheesy lyrics back in the day, but he was an extremely mature lyric writer for his age 80% of the time. 

Why is he now writing lyrics that read like a 15 year old who hates Skool. 

And is it just me or do the lyrics to both Absurd & Hard Skool read like a dig at Slash? 

1 minute ago, Zeppelin said:

I’m sorry, but the production/engineering on the song is quite awful. You can always tell this when people start posting their audio setups and how they’re listening to it (Spotify, YouTube, higher quality versions, etc.).

If people are needing to compare it that much, then the sound of the track is unbalanced. This is why no one ever says this about AFD, or the Illusions for that matter. They sound good on everything. If you have to tinker with EQ settings and get different headphones, configure this and that, listen via different sources, etc., just to see if the song sounds better, then it’s not well-engineered.

Yeah, a good song will shine through shitty production. Won’t matter what your playback setup is. 

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3 minutes ago, Zeppelin said:

I’m sorry, but the production/engineering on the song is quite awful. You can always tell this when people start posting their audio setups and how they’re listening to it (Spotify, YouTube, higher quality versions, etc.).

If people are needing to compare it that much, then the sound of the track is unbalanced. This is why no one ever says this about AFD, or the Illusions for that matter. They sound good on everything. If you have to tinker with EQ settings and get different headphones, configure this and that, listen via different sources, etc., just to see if the song sounds better, then it’s not well-engineered.

This is exactly it, and this isn't something that is just a trite complaint or something people are just saying to be negative or whatever.  I heard better mixes of rock tracks from my fellow peers taking a "introduction to mixing" course at my music college alma matter years ago - not that HS is unlistenable however I just hear some very questionable things mixing-wise here that makes me wonder what (I assume Caram?) was doing lol

Then again, considering even Chinese had some questionable mixing choices (lack of bass the most prevalent), I honestly think part of it is the over-tinkering taking its toll on the greater whole of the audio

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2 minutes ago, Powderfinger said:

Fair enough Axl wrote some cheesy lyrics back in the day, but he was an extremely mature lyric writer for his age 80% of the time. 

Why is he now writing lyrics that read like a 15 year old who hates Skool. 

And is it just me or do the lyrics to both Absurd & Hard Skool read like a dig at Slash? 

I don't think any lyric is about Slash. Well.. With all the bad things that happend between them it's not hard to think so. But what do I know 😊 

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12 minutes ago, Zeppelin said:

I’m sorry, but the production/engineering on the song is quite awful. You can always tell this when people start posting their audio setups and how they’re listening to it (Spotify, YouTube, higher quality versions, etc.).

If people are needing to compare it that much, then the sound of the track is unbalanced. This is why no one ever says this about AFD, or the Illusions for that matter. They sound good on everything. If you have to tinker with EQ settings and get different headphones, configure this and that, listen via different sources, etc., just to see if the song sounds better, then it’s not well-engineered.

Totally agree. I only mentioned I'm going to listen on a different system because I hope I can get it to sound decent because I do like the song. 

A long standing rule of mine is "if have to change my EQ for your album, then your album is wrong". The fact of the matter is that HS is extremely poorly produced. I'm just hoping I can do something with it to make it sound decent. 

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I am just wondering if Hard Skool would have ever been released if it hadn’t leaked a few years ago as part of the locker CDs and caused the buzz afterwards.

Maybe Axl has to be thankful for the leak in some way. Because I don’t think it’s very naive to believe that because of the leak and all the hype on Hard Skool he was reminded of this song at all. At least, as result of the hype, he could be sure that a release of this song would be a sure shot. And the best thing for him: He had done his vocal work already 20 years ago.  

 

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40 minutes ago, Powderfinger said:

air enough Axl wrote some cheesy lyrics back in the day, but he was an extremely mature lyric writer for his age 80% of the time. 

Why is he now writing lyrics that read like a 15 year old who hates Skool. 

And is it just me or do the lyrics to both Absurd & Hard Skool read like a dig at Slash? 

I think Hard Skool lyrics are about Slash - and of course have nothing to do with school :lol: They were seemingly written shortly after the breakup and the allusions to that are very obvious to me; it's like Axl's version about Slash's last days in GnR, as he expressed it in the forum chats, made into a song.

Absurd lyrics are totally unrelated to Slash, I think.

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Some people need to let go of their youth, they’re not gonna relive AFD nor could they write anything like that again, it was lightning in a bottle….. The thing about Hard School is it’s a fine song but I do rate it lower than most of the CD era songs we’ve had the chance to hear but those sessions produced some pretty dang good songs so not really a slight in my eyes… I don’t even know if Axl has another ‘Better’ in his back pocket… I don’t think he was really all that interested in writing pop songs during the CD sessions and it’d be a fools errand to try and write something comparable to AFD in sound or spirit.

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12 minutes ago, Powderfinger said:

Fair enough Axl wrote some cheesy lyrics back in the day, but he was an extremely mature lyric writer for his age 80% of the time. 

Why is he now writing lyrics that read like a 15 year old who hates Skool. 

And is it just me or do the lyrics to both Absurd & Hard Skool read like a dig at Slash? 

 

What lyrics read like a 15 year old who hates school? Hard Skool has almost nothing to do with school, so I have no idea what you're talking about.

And no, I don't think Absurd is about Slash. I don't see how Slash is a syphilistic priestess with a pussy full of maggots. Saying that it's about Slash seems pretty far fetched.

Hard Skool on the other hand, yeah that one is very likely about Slash. Or at least about the break up of the band. But I'm sure that Axl and Slash have talked about the lyrics and Slash is fine with it, so yeah. The lyrics are written from Axl's point of view. Not necessarily the deepest lyrics ever, but it's not superficial or bad either. It's just lyrics about life like, I don't know My Michelle or something.

Axl tends to write different types of lyrics. Sometimes they are deeper, sometimes they are less deep, but relatable, sometimes they are full of anger. There's not just one formula to writing good lyrics. When you're on an angry mood, a song about pussy full of maggots might be just what you want to hear. Not everything has to be super deep. That being said, I think Atlas Shrugged and Perhaps have fairly mature lyrics, so it's not like Axl would have abandoned that type of lyrics.

Different types of songs benefit from different types of lyrics.

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Gotta agree, sounds the most GnR of anything since UYI. Light years beyond Absurd....

Well done.

 

What's next? My guess is a reworked "Atlas Shrugged". That CD demo was actually almost fully realized. 

I for one would be excited.

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42 minutes ago, Powderfinger said:

Fair enough Axl wrote some cheesy lyrics back in the day, but he was an extremely mature lyric writer for his age 80% of the time. 

Why is he now writing lyrics that read like a 15 year old who hates Skool. 

And is it just me or do the lyrics to both Absurd & Hard Skool read like a dig at Slash? 

He had his moments back in the day but he seems like he may have mentally lost his edge a long ways back. Add success, only being around yes people and sycophants on the payroll to already existing mental issues and things usually start going in the wrong direction. I feel like it’s kinda swept under the rug these days, but we’re talking about a person who was paying good money to some new age quack named Yoda to essentially make life decisions for him by studying people’s faces and advising if the electric energy waves were safe enough to go to certain cities or whatever all that shit was…BTW whatever happened with all that crap? Does he still believe in it? Has he commented on it before? 

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55 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

I think Hard Skool lyrics are about Slash - and of course have nothing to do with school :lol: They were seemingly written shortly after the breakup and the allusions to that are very obvious to me; it's like Axl's version about Slash's last days in GnR, as he expressed it in the forum chats, made into a song.

Absurd lyrics are totally unrelated to Slash, I think.

Just read the lyrics (never listen to lyrics while enjoying music) and yeah, I'm on board with this theory.

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The thing I love about Gn’R is every album is different. I dig the song, the leaked one might be a bit better, louder. To me this song has AFD/UYI vibes especially first hearing the bell ring. They definitely went back into time with the style of the song. Also that has to be the “heys” from eye on you right? Lol I like that song too. Loud af just like the silkworms leak. I want some weird shit for the album.. thats just me though. 

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