Jump to content

Hard Skool Officially Released at Midnight - Sept 24


Recommended Posts

I too have come around to enjoy Hard Skool 2.0. It's certainly better to have Slash & Duff re-do the music, instead of copy-pasting bits into the mix.

Yet, Axl in around 2000:

"I write the vocals last, because I wanted to invent the music first and push the music to the level that I had to compete against it."

20 years later his line is approximately:

"I throw the original music away and have the new band compete against my age-old vocal takes. That'll show 'em."
 

This weird-ass approach does appear to meld Slash's UYI-informed playing with Axl's CD era quirks pretty well. Unusual way to make music, but... this band.

 
Edited by denin
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, denin said:

I too have come around to enjoy Hard Skool 2.0. It's certainly better to have Slash & Duff re-do the music, instead of copy-pasting bits into the mix.

Yet, Axl in around 2000:

"I write the vocals last, because I wanted to invent the music first and push the music to the level that I had to compete against it."

20 years later his line is approximately:

"I throw the original music away and have the new band compete against my age-old vocal takes. That'll show 'em."
 

This weird-ass approach does appear to meld Slash's UYI-informed playing with Axl's CD era quirks pretty well. Unusual way to make music, but... this band.

 

Axl also said he prefers writing lyrics and melody first then having Slash work the instrumental arrangement out, and Slash likes writing “guitar first” songs abut it’s harder for Axl to write lyrics that way and led to writers block once haha so idk if the man knows what he wants 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

4 minutes ago, IncitingChaos said:

Axl also said he prefers writing lyrics and melody first then having Slash work the instrumental arrangement out, and Slash likes writing “guitar first” songs abut it’s harder for Axl to write lyrics that way and led to writers block once haha so idk if the man knows what he wants 

That's interesting. I can see why that becomes an issue. Which one has the more 'usual' way of working? Is there a more usual way?

With the disclaimer that I have never written a song nor played an instrument beyond the recorder in school, Axl's method seems the most logical to me. It strikes me as harder to write a song around guitar riffs than to overlay them onto something that already has structure and lyrics.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, alfierose said:

That's interesting. I can see why that becomes an issue. Which one has the more 'usual' way of working? Is there a more usual way?

With the disclaimer that I have never written a song nor played an instrument beyond the recorder in school, Axl's method seems the most logical to me. It strikes me as harder to write a song around guitar riffs than to overlay them onto something that already has structure and lyrics.

Axl said they did AFD more his way then UYI got complicated because he started getting handed these guitar songs and told he had to put lyrics to them. I don’t think all of AFD was written like Axl said though, Izzy could do a riff and write lyrics, but seems like Axl and Slash relied on eachother more to do 50/50

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, alfierose said:

That's interesting. I can see why that becomes an issue. Which one has the more 'usual' way of working? Is there a more usual way?

With the disclaimer that I have never written a song nor played an instrument beyond the recorder in school, Axl's method seems the most logical to me. It strikes me as harder to write a song around guitar riffs than to overlay them onto something that already has structure and lyrics.

From what I've read, most bands write the music first and melodies plus lyrics second. That's also the way I write songs, because I think it's way easier to come up with a melody when you have chords, because you can "find" the notes of the melody from the notes of the chords.

Doing it the other way sounds a bit too difficult or complicated to me. But then again, I've gotten used to doing it that way. So, I guess it's all about what works for you personally.

And I am more of a rhythm guy, than a melody guy, so that also factors in. If you find melody easier than rhythm, it makes sense to do the melodies first. 

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

I honestly think this is the perfect GNR reunion single, I don’t have many critiques. A new album might not be coming “soon” but this and Absurd show that Axl is not afraid to put out new music that was “made” (redone) quickly. I think we will get one more album out of them for sure. Hopefully 2022. I doubt this will be the last Guns N’ Roses song

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

16 minutes ago, alfierose said:

That's interesting. I can see why that becomes an issue. Which one has the more 'usual' way of working? Is there a more usual way?

With the disclaimer that I have never written a song nor played an instrument beyond the recorder in school, Axl's method seems the most logical to me. It strikes me as harder to write a song around guitar riffs than to overlay them onto something that already has structure and lyrics.

People mostly write music first but "Axl's method" is actually a legitimate way to work. I know last Rob Zombie album was written that way, Zombie did all the vocals with a rhythm machine before the band started working on it. Ozzy also comes to mind, in Sabbath he would sing over Iommi's riffs but in his solo career sometimes he would sing a vocal melody to the guitarist and have him figure out what to play underneath.

  • Thanks 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, default_ said:

The thing for me is: Same old same old. The band didnt have the capacity to create new songs in almost five years of reunion and are relying on 20+ years old demos to keep the momentum.

We really don't know what the guys wrote. It doesn't have to be the only material they have just because that's what they released.

And in all fairness. I think "the band" has created more then enough new material. What's questionable is Axl's contribution to anything new.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, Lies They Tell said:

To be fair, we don't actually know if it's a recent decision by Axl to include the Eye On You vocals on Hard Skool. It's possible that he made that decision already 15 years ago or so.

The Hey's and the scream might have been a part of Hard Skool most of the songs existence. At the end of the day we were never supposed to hear Eye On You. If it wasn't for the leaks we would have never known that he used vocals from another song on Hard skool.

Who knows if some vocals in the old classic songs were originally recorded for one song, but used on another song instead. We don't know cause we don't have all the unfinished songs that Axl recorded during the UYI days for example. But it's possible that he cut and pasted vocals already back then.

This is an excellent point I hadn’t considered. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

The time frame doesn't bother me one way or the other, if it's good it's good and vice versa.

Really happy for the people digging this, but I'll be interested to see if opinions have changed in a few weeks/months once the new car smell is gone.

Also.... I thought there was no ep? Is there now an ep with some live songs including hard skool and Absurd? I think I missed something?

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

29 minutes ago, GNR_RNR said:

It’d be cool if we started getting these EP’s for different tour legs.
 

A couple new songs and a couple live cuts. maybe add some of the covers. 

That was Bumblefoots idea in 2011and he was shot down. TB and Axl had to have the thought for themselves before they could go ahead with it. If Axl had done that10 years ago his band wouldn't have fallen apart a few he'd have almost all of his Chinese era music released by now.

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, RussTCB said:

I don't get why so many people are giving you a hard time about this. 

 

I’ll bite. All due respect to him, it’s silly to call yourself a fan of a band, visit band forums, then pretend like you won’t or refuse to listen to a new single. It’s not even four minutes long. Maybe cause I’m a music lover, but when a band I’m into drops new music, I seek it out. When its my favorite band and they rarely drop new music, I stop everything to listen. It just reeks of self righteousness to be all, “I’ll listen when I get around to it, I guess. Maybe.” Yet he’s on a 74-page thread on a fan forum discussing the fuckin’ song.  Huge disconnect there for me.  

  • Like 2
  • Haha 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

The time frame doesn't bother me one way or the other, if it's good it's good and vice versa.

Really happy for the people digging this, but I'll be interested to see if opinions have changed in a few weeks/months once the new car smell is gone.

Also.... I thought there was no ep? Is there now an ep with some live songs including hard skool and Absurd? I think I missed something?

 

The official GN'R merch website has Hard Skool single with Absurd and two live tracks. Not sure if that's considered an EP. I'm pre-ordering wayyyyyyy too many of the various formats.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

37 minutes ago, GnR Chris said:

No one can do it for a three-hour set at 60. But “Rock the Rock” proved he can go in the studio and lay down vintage vocals. 

I wish everyone would give Axl a bit of a break on the live vocals.  I guarantee you no one is more down on his inability to bring it for three hours every night (like he used to be able) than Axl is.  He still goes out there and gives it 100%.  Goes out on time.  No real drama has gone on as far as we know since Duff and Slash agreed to come back.  I think a studio record will give Axl a chance to show he's still more solid on vocals than we think.

 

Honestly, as I think about it, a studio album being able to better let Axl's vocal capabilities of today shine might be one of the main reasons I'm hoping they do a record.  Obviously a new record would feature a lot of old unreleased vocals, but I bet we'd still get some new, recently recorded vocals as well

Edited by Caught_in_a_Coma
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, GnR Chris said:

I’ll bite. All due respect to him, it’s silly to call yourself a fan of a band, visit band forums, then pretend like you won’t or refuse to listen to a new single. It’s not even four minutes long. Maybe cause I’m a music lover, but when a band I’m into drops new music, I seek it out. When its my favorite band and they rarely drop new music, I stop everything to listen. It just reeks of self righteousness to be all, “I’ll listen when I get around to it, I guess. Maybe.” Yet he’s on a 74-page thread on a fan forum discussing the fuckin’ song.  Huge disconnect there for me.  

And that's the thing: I get your overall point too BUT what I don't get is people saying someone else must not be a fan of GN'R because they're not excited about this release. There's many things to dislike about the song. I listened to it, I like it despite the awful production and that's cool for me. But if someone else isn't interested in hearing Slash play over a 20+ year old song, I wouldn't say they're less of a fan. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

7 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

The time frame doesn't bother me one way or the other, if it's good it's good and vice versa.

Really happy for the people digging this, but I'll be interested to see if opinions have changed in a few weeks/months once the new car smell is gone.

Also.... I thought there was no ep? Is there now an ep with some live songs including hard skool and Absurd? I think I missed something?

 

They'll release a physical copy of Hard Skool which includes Absurd and on CD even Don't Cry and You're Crazy live

Link to comment
Share on other sites

51 minutes ago, Blackstar said:

There is a press release from the band/label. From a couple of pages back in this thread:

https://www.mygnrforum.com/topic/224697-hard-skool-officially-released-at-midnight-sept-24/?do=findComment&comment=4907101

 

Sure...and Ozzy wrote the entirety of Bark at the Moon, according to the writing credits on that album.  

Do you believe that?  Me neither

This is about publishing money, plain and simple.

If Axl actually did write the main riffs for the verse and the chorus, he would most likely be entitled to all publishing rights, and any other instrumentation would be considered accompaniment, with any additional credit or compensation handed out at Axl's discretion.

There are many cases, however, where current band members have maybe cut writers out, say, especially if they were a former member.

No way to know, in this case, unless someone seeks compensation,  speaks up, and claims they helped write it.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

6 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

The official GN'R merch website has Hard Skool single with Absurd and two live tracks. Not sure if that's considered an EP. I'm pre-ordering wayyyyyyy too many of the various formats.

Wooohoo!!! I am so glad these songs aren't on a LP🥳🥳🥳 

These are perfect for a small ep with a sprinkle of live cuts! Hold the good material for a full album!

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

And that's the thing: I get your overall point too BUT what I don't get is people saying someone else must not be a fan of GN'R because they're not excited about this release. There's many things to dislike about the song. I listened to it, I like it despite the awful production and that's cool for me. But if someone else isn't interested in hearing Slash play over a 20+ year old song, I wouldn't say they're less of a fan. 

I can agree here. One time I sort of shit on someone for saying they don’t want to hear new music at a GNR show  I said, “how can you call yourself a fan?” But there are bands like that for me too. If I go see a festival set, gimme the hits. 

I call myself a fan of other bands where I don’t necessarily know their newer material. Alice In Chains, for example. But then there are legacy rock bands where I’m heavily into their material post-salad says. Scorpions would be an example there. Smashing Pumpkins too. They played three or four songs from their newer record live at a festival I was at last week, and some people were lowkey mad. “But why didn’t you play “Perfect’?”

 

2 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Wooohoo!!! I am so glad these songs aren't on a LP🥳🥳🥳 

These are perfect for a small ep with a sprinkle of live cuts! Hold the good material for a full album!

To me, this doesn’t really mean “Absurd” and “Hard Skool” won’t be on an upcoming full-length record. 

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...