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Hard Skool Officially Released at Midnight - Sept 24


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17 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

You know what they should do since all of their upcoming dates are canceled? 

Go on Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, SNL and every other show ever. Hell, just have Axl do a quick bit on Weekend Update on SNL. That alone would cause huge buzz. 

Do a live chat on Facebook or Instagram. Have Axl, Slash & Duff all sitting at a table answering only the questions they want to. The chat would be going apeshit anyway so it wouldn't even look like they were avoiding certain questions. 

Pair up with Funny or Die or one of those YouTube channels. Have Axl going into record stores suggesting to regular customers that they buy a GN'R album. 

There's so many ways they could catapult themselves back into the public view. All of them take little to no effort and would be huge. Therefore, they won't do any of them. 

I believe the pandemic would be over before Axl does any of that :shrugs:

But a Hard Skool performance on Kimmel, Fallon and SNL would be a cool exposure for the song/band. I wish Conan's show was still around for that too, would be interesting to see him and Axl after the 2002 asshole song. :lol:

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41 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

You know what they should do since all of their upcoming dates are canceled? 

Go on Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, SNL and every other show ever. Hell, just have Axl do a quick bit on Weekend Update on SNL. That alone would cause huge buzz. 

Do a live chat on Facebook or Instagram. Have Axl, Slash & Duff all sitting at a table answering only the questions they want to. The chat would be going apeshit anyway so it wouldn't even look like they were avoiding certain questions. 

Pair up with Funny or Die or one of those YouTube channels. Have Axl going into record stores suggesting to regular customers that they buy a GN'R album. 

There's so many ways they could catapult themselves back into the public view. All of them take little to no effort and would be huge. Therefore, they won't do any of them. 

 

20 minutes ago, GoForJMark said:

I believe the pandemic would be over before Axl does any of that :shrugs:

But a Hard Skool performance on Kimmel, Fallon and SNL would be a cool exposure for the song/band. I wish Conan's show was still around for that too, would be interesting to see him and Axl after the 2002 asshole song. :lol:

That would be great, Slash has done some of those things for SMKC. I would love to see them on SNL after all the pop and rap artists they've had lately.

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5 hours ago, Shacklermyrye said:

I like it much better than absurd, but i think i still prefer the locker leak.

Yes. The intro building up to the explosive first verse was superior imo. As was the rhythm guitars (far more aggressive) and drums. The vocals on the leak were also mixed better, which shouldn't be surprising.

Overall, the original was just way more aggressive and powerful. Outside of Slash's solos which are good, it sounds sleepy and tired by comparison--like someone robbed it of its energy.

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3 hours ago, Nintari said:

Yes. The intro building up to the explosive first verse was superior imo. As was the rhythm guitars (far more aggressive) and drums. The vocals on the leak were also mixed better, which shouldn't be surprising.

Overall, the original was just way more aggressive and powerful. Outside of Slash's solos which are good, it sounds sleepy and tired by comparison--like someone robbed it of its energy.

Yeah i loved the original intro too, I gotta get round to mashing up a version with it and the new version

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8 hours ago, RussTCB said:

You know what they should do since all of their upcoming dates are canceled? 

Go on Jimmy Fallon, Jimmy Kimmel, SNL and every other show ever. Hell, just have Axl do a quick bit on Weekend Update on SNL. That alone would cause huge buzz. 

Do a live chat on Facebook or Instagram. Have Axl, Slash & Duff all sitting at a table answering only the questions they want to. The chat would be going apeshit anyway so it wouldn't even look like they were avoiding certain questions. 

Pair up with Funny or Die or one of those YouTube channels. Have Axl going into record stores suggesting to regular customers that they buy a GN'R album. 

There's so many ways they could catapult themselves back into the public view. All of them take little to no effort and would be huge. Therefore, they won't do any of them. 

But why?  GnR is already in the public eye. They are doing huge, successful world tours.  Their hits are already radio rock staples.  Hard Skool isn't going to attract a new fan.  That person you guys think is going to be attracted by a new single would have already been attracted by WTTJ or SCOM 30 minutes earlier when they heard them on the radio.

 

These are all examples of things bands have to do to get people to notice them. You think Axl and Slash want to spend their time doing live chats when they don't have to?   It's different wit he SMKC because they are a tiny band that HAS to promote.  GnR simply doesn't have to

 

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2 minutes ago, Bitchisback said:

 Hard Skool isn't going to attract a new fan.  That person you guys think is going to be attracted by a new single would have already been attracted by WTTJ or SCOM 30 minutes earlier when they heard them on the radio.

 

 

 

What are you basing that on?

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4 minutes ago, Chris 55 said:

What are you basing that on?

I'm just saying anybody who hears a new GnR single has probably heard WTTJ, SCOM, PC, NR, Patience, YCBM, L&LD, KOHD already.

 

Do you know how hard it would be to for someone to hear a new GnR single and not be aware of at least some of their back catalog?  Most people who hear hard skool or whatever probably have already made up their mind on GnR, of course that isn't every case but the vast majority I would say it is. 

 

That doesn't mean there is no reason for them to make new music, or release singles or anything like that. I just don't think it's as important for a band like GnR.  They already have more music played on the radio every day than 99.9% of any rock band that has ever existed.  

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3 hours ago, Bitchisback said:

But why?  GnR is already in the public eye. They are doing huge, successful world tours.  Their hits are already radio rock staples.  Hard Skool isn't going to attract a new fan.  That person you guys think is going to be attracted by a new single would have already been attracted by WTTJ or SCOM 30 minutes earlier when they heard them on the radio.

 

These are all examples of things bands have to do to get people to notice them. You think Axl and Slash want to spend their time doing live chats when they don't have to?   It's different wit he SMKC because they are a tiny band that HAS to promote.  GnR simply doesn't have to

 

They're not doing "huge successful world tours". They're nearing the end of a tour that saw shows being moved to smaller venues, massive discounts on the shows that did stay in stadiums and none of the shows selling out even with the massive discounts. 

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9 minutes ago, RussTCB said:

They're not doing "huge successful world tours". They're nearing the end of a tour that saw shows being moved to smaller venues, massive discounts on the shows that did stay in stadiums and none of the shows selling out even with the massive discounts. 

It starts to crumble a bit now maybe...they can't do anything really right, always bare minimum...that has got to have an effect sooner or later.

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1 hour ago, LA_0013 said:

In the minority here but Absurd >>>>HS. 

I like both of them, but I was (and still am) more hyped for Absurd. My only gripe with it is the use of same lyrics on the verses, but other than that it is a real banger! It sounds a bit more honest and fun than Hard Skool, like a true experiment and effort to create something different. Hard Skool sounds a bit like Shadow of Your Love or like an AfD b-side.

But on the other hand it has all the elements of a classic hard rocking Guns N' Roses song (sans swinging/groovy drums) and you can't hate that. The solo is pretty cool and emotive, the vocal melodies are catchy, Duff's bass intro... It is a good song.

I guess the main reason why I like Absurd a bit more, is the fact that if the band continues to play new songs live, those songs should, in my opinion, be songs that Axl can sing live without struggling too much and really tear it up.

I mean, I take anything I get, be it vocals from ´99 or whatever, because it really doesn't matter when your listening at home. But as a fan I obviously like to root for this band and I wish they'll be able to wow audiences years to come. And have some creative spark. 

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well, my honest review comes here.

what I like: bass line is cool; guitars are kinda good - not stellar but decent; vocal track is the old one, but fine; after a few listens at decent speakers, it grows on me a bit; they got rid of the intro which made the song start too slowly

what I dislike: the final part of the song used to be the grand finale of pure guitar madness, instead of that it now just kinda ends; drums and vocals are mixed bad - vox are not as distinct as I'd like

what I hate: the bridge is completely unneccessary and sucks; drums themselves are the worst thing on this - Freese's old track with drum snare leading to choruses is far superior in building up the track dynamic, while the 2021 track sounds very basic and uninspired

what I get amused by: Eye On You vocals sampled in the bridge

overall - 5/10 (as compared to Absurd which I rate 7/10)

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1 minute ago, Blackstar said:

I'm probably in the minority (judging from the opinions in this thread), but I like the slow breakdown/bridge. I think it makes the song less "monotonous".

I liked it in the the demo version, too, as a standalone part (the guitar melody and even the little piano bit), but I felt it didn't fit with the main part of the song that much and made it sound disjointed. I think Slash's slide solo fits better and Axl's "hey-heys" (seemingly pasted from the vocal track of Eye On You) go surprisingly well with it.

i agree with that i think the song is fine you can only do so much with a old song

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16 hours ago, Basic_GnR_Fan said:

Let's be honest, the average rock fan (not hardcore GnR fan) has no idea when Axl did vocals and when everything came together. They just know it's a new Guns song that has Axl and Slash on it.

I agree, in fact, some people don't even realize Slash is back in GN'R. Others never knew he left. 

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5 minutes ago, StrangerInThisTown said:

Some people on reddit are saying the radio edit of HS has a different mix. Can anyone confirm that? I can't find it anywhere

ummhhhh... to me it rather sounds like the radio edit has compressed "radio quality" than a different mix, hard to say. it sounds different, but to me it rather sounds like low-bitrate MP3 than it would have a different mix originally.

but I did no scientific checks, too lazy for that.

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