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32 minutes ago, zombux said:

so, after a barrage of listenings, my own status update.

 

the song grew on me quite a bit. I really like the bass as well as the guitar tracks all over. 

glad they dropped the old stupid intro, now it goes straight into it (nevermind the dumb schoolbell, fuck it).

the first part of the song is definitely better to me than the old one, it has much more entertaining stuff going on, guitars and bass really own the song - the old one sound like a placeholder in there

then comes the guitar solo part - here it starts changing and I still prefer the old one, maybe by not a big margin, but I do

the bridge still sucks A LOT, I prefer the old one, but both are crap.

and then comes the final part after the bridge, which is massively better at the old version, while the new version just doesn't make it good enough.

and yes, drums and mix still suck, but oh well. on a decent audio speakers, it is fine.

 

7/10, just as Absurd. both are fine, if they keep delivering more Village sessions this way, I won't be too excited but it will be cool, I don't hate it :)

Excelent analysis Dr. Zombux. I concur. 

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29 minutes ago, zombux said:

7/10, just as Absurd. both are fine, if they keep delivering more Village sessions this way, I won't be too excited but it will be cool, I don't hate it :)

If it gets us to a point where we hear unheard songs or finished versions of songs then so be it.

Atlas is the only son from the Zutaut leaks that sounds complete enough from a song writing point of view (and Zutaut said as much about it's status in 01).

Perhaps - still very demo-y. Not finished, the song is just missing something but also feel like it's one that shouldn't be hurt in anyway by Slash and Duff tinkering with it. Same with Atlas.

State of Grace... even less complete, vocal take circa 2000 is scratch and rough. Who knows if this ever got completed or got pulled apart and used in other songs/turned into other songs.

The rest of the tracks from those Zutaut leaks are instrumentals, sketches/ideas, complete songs with looping lyrics etc. We know at the least The General exists with vocals, can realistically hope there is more and hopefully they continue releasing music now to get this stuff out the door.

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https://youtu.be/hf4srkSc0Ig

 

So, having listened more and more, I KNEW I’d heard a similar sound elsewhere. It was driving me insane. I played my punk playlist while driving yesterday and Was It Me by The Exploited came on. It’s definitely a sound-alike here. Scary how similar in places.

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8 minutes ago, Axl S said:

If it gets us to a point where we hear unheard songs or finished versions of songs then so be it.

Atlas is the only son from the Zutaut leaks that sounds complete enough from a song writing point of view (and Zutaut said as much about it's status in 01).

Perhaps - still very demo-y. Not finished, the song is just missing something but also feel like it's one that shouldn't be hurt in anyway by Slash and Duff tinkering with it. Same with Atlas.

State of Grace... even less complete, vocal take circa 2000 is scratch and rough. Who knows if this ever got completed or got pulled apart and used in other songs/turned into other songs.

The rest of the tracks from those Zutaut leaks are instrumentals, sketches/ideas, complete songs with looping lyrics etc. We know at the least The General exists with vocals, can realistically hope there is more and hopefully they continue releasing music now to get this stuff out the door.

if some "insiders" are to be believed, Quick Song also very likely has complete lyrics (and also different name). 

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2 hours ago, zombux said:

if some "insiders" are to be believed, Quick Song also very likely has complete lyrics (and also different name). 

I haven't heard this "insider" rumour. 

Love that the rumour isn't that the vocals are complete. It's that it's very likely vocals are complete :D

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5 hours ago, DefinitelyInThisLifetime said:

https://youtu.be/hf4srkSc0Ig

 

So, having listened more and more, I KNEW I’d heard a similar sound elsewhere. It was driving me insane. I played my punk playlist while driving yesterday and Was It Me by The Exploited came on. It’s definitely a sound-alike here. Scary how similar in places.

IMO it's not really that similar. This other song does reminds me of Kings of Leon's Don't Matter.

5 hours ago, Axl S said:

Perhaps - still very demo-y. Not finished, the song is just missing something but also feel like it's one that shouldn't be hurt in anyway by Slash and Duff tinkering with it. Same with Atlas.

IMO, this song is totally finished as it was. It only lacked a proper mix. Again: one of the best GNR solos ever. 

For some reason, I just thought now that this song could also be something a bit older - just like Hard Skool, there was only one version in the Village sessions, with no instrumental or alternate take. Also, in different CDs. Seems to me that both of those songs were kinda ready for a release, but Axl didn't think those would fit with the other tracks in an album context. 

I sure would love to have some proper history for those songs, including Hard Skool. Axl could say a bit more about this instead of just dropping it and fuck it.

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6 hours ago, DefinitelyInThisLifetime said:

https://youtu.be/hf4srkSc0Ig

 

So, having listened more and more, I KNEW I’d heard a similar sound elsewhere. It was driving me insane. I played my punk playlist while driving yesterday and Was It Me by The Exploited came on. It’s definitely a sound-alike here. Scary how similar in places.

That's a cool song! 

 

But I don't hear any similarities TBH

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1 hour ago, DefinitelyInThisLifetime said:

Listen to the background music and ignore the vocals. Then sing “all cautions made” etc when the guitars come in. It works.

Nah, it's just a very basic chord progression. There's thousands of rock/ punk rock songs that sound similar. It's conicidence.

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I just found a YouTube comment claiming that this is the real credits of the song:

Produced By Caram Costanzo & Axl Rose Written By Chris Pitman, Dizzy Reed, Paul Tobias, Josh Freese, Robin Finck, Tommy Stinson & Axl Rose Release Date September 24, 2021
 

Do we know for sure if Axl really wrote this song on his own, as the press statement claimed?

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14 minutes ago, rocknroll41 said:

I just found a YouTube comment claiming that this is the real credits of the song:

Produced By Caram Costanzo & Axl Rose Written By Chris Pitman, Dizzy Reed, Paul Tobias, Josh Freese, Robin Finck, Tommy Stinson & Axl Rose Release Date September 24, 2021
 

Do we know for sure if Axl really wrote this song on his own, as the press statement claimed?

I doubt anyone knows for sure, but to me those lyrics are about Slash leaving the band in 96’. Isn’t it around this time that Duff confirmed they were working on a song for a Jackie Chan movie? Anyway, a few points that stand out to me.....

no effort spared to save what we had

i would’ve thought you could be more of a man... but you had to play it cool, ...do it your way..... throw it all away...... thought you were here to stay. 
 

to me it says everything Axl was feeling about slash leaving. Axl has said how Slash always made it look a certain way, and tried to save face. I don’t know, maybe I’m looking too much into it, but hardskool could be the ability to put up with Axl’s craziness.

Anyway to answer your question, I 100% believe Axl at least wrote all the lyrics to this one.

 

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10 minutes ago, mikeman5150 said:

I doubt anyone knows for sure, but to me those lyrics are about Slash leaving the band in 96’. Isn’t it around this time that Duff confirmed they were working on a song for a Jackie Chan movie? Anyway, a few points that stand out to me.....

no effort spared to save what we had

i would’ve thought you could be more of a man... but you had to play it cool, ...do it your way..... throw it all away...... thought you were here to stay. 
 

to me it says everything Axl was feeling about slash leaving. Axl has said how Slash always made it look a certain way, and tried to save face. I don’t know, maybe I’m looking too much into it, but hardskool could be the ability to put up with Axl’s craziness.

Anyway to answer your question, I 100% believe Axl at least wrote all the lyrics to this one.

 

Ah yeah I was referring to the music, not the lyrics.

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18 minutes ago, megaguns1982 said:

I’m hoping that once the we see the back artwork for Hardskool, it’ll say “from the forthcoming album ______”

 

That’s be glorious! Almost like “viral marketing,” in a sense. Though I wouldn’t get my hopes up lol.

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2 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

I just found a YouTube comment claiming that this is the real credits of the song:

Produced By Caram Costanzo & Axl Rose Written By Chris Pitman, Dizzy Reed, Paul Tobias, Josh Freese, Robin Finck, Tommy Stinson & Axl Rose Release Date September 24, 2021
 

Do we know for sure if Axl really wrote this song on his own, as the press statement claimed?

These credits are from "Aien," who covered a few of the Village leaks and listed writers for each song randomly or according to their "best guess" (which usually was to credit all the 1999 lineup). So it's not the "real credits" by any means.

We can't be 100% sure, but a press statement from the band is undoubtedly way more credible than the credits given by a cover band.

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2 hours ago, rocknroll41 said:

That’s be glorious! Almost like “viral marketing,” in a sense. Though I wouldn’t get my hopes up lol.

 they had “from the forthcoming album Afd on the back of the it’s so easy 12” single and I think the YCBM single had the same thing, so maybe it’s a good indicator of what’s to come?

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5 minutes ago, megaguns1982 said:

 they had “from the forthcoming album Afd on the back of the it’s so easy 12” single and I think the YCBM single had the same thing, so maybe it’s a good indicator of what’s to come?

Didn’t know that! Now I’m very intrigued :)

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