RussTCB Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said: Can’t wait for everyone in interviews to be like “music never sells…there’s no market for new music” regarding a new album despite them doing fuck all in promotion. We all know that excuse coming. Already happening in this thread, so I fully expect the band and management to say the same thing 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, AxlRoseCDII said: Can’t wait for everyone in interviews to be like “music never sells…there’s no market for new music” regarding a new album despite them doing fuck all in promotion. We all know that excuse coming. I don't recall anyone from the band or management ever saying that. That's something only some fans have been saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NachoLZ Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 The lack of a proper video and promotion is the sole reason, look at Rammstein's Deutschland at 202M views. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 I don't really care if the band isn't as popular right now, I like a lot of pretty unknown artists and I'm fine with that. The problem is that the band expects to be treated as a big act with little to no effort on promoting itself. There's no hype around the band anymore, they took too long to release their first stuff with Slash and Duff back. They didn't even care to put together a decent live video (with the audio from the studio, of course). 6 hours ago, Tom-Ass said: I think he quality of the song also has a lot to do with it.. Disagree. It may not be up to GNR standards (maybe for you, I actually like it) but I think this song is better than a lot of current rock songs out there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 57 minutes ago, NachoLZ said: The lack of a proper video and promotion is the sole reason, look at Rammstein's Deutschland at 202M views. I agree, they haven't done anything to properly tell the general public that they have a new song out. 50 minutes ago, Voodoochild said: Disagree. It may not be up to GNR standards (maybe for you, I actually like it) but I think this song is better than a lot of current rock songs out there. I agree with this also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
19AT5 Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Said it a few times, but I quite like HS though mid-section is just weird to me, and what the fuck is with all that 'hey hey heys'!? I mean c'mon! But other than that as a song, I think it's decent enough. I mean it ain't gonna be one of their greatest hits but it's okay. And that's possibly the problem... it's just okay. It sounds like GNR, but almost like GNR by numbers. All the components are there... and yet it just lacks something. As discussed earlier in this thread as well, the mix and master is borderline criminal!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfTheWave Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 Note that SOYL has 8 million Youtube views and was a top 5 hit on rock radio. It wasn't new to us but was to casual fans. Bands GNR's age tend to get one big comeback single and I think we missed it happening right in front of us back in 2018. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinaleblood Posted October 20, 2021 Share Posted October 20, 2021 12 hours ago, klakly said: HS just passed on a local radio station in Italy 🥳 Oh! Which one? ☺️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardNixon Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) "Hard Skool" is a flop. 2 million, 0 Youtube views, same amount, really. The tour was a flop too. 99% of the people going got tickets for $20.00 the day of the show. Most of the venues played were also downsized from much bigger venues. Axl sounded awful and the band just went through the motions. Most people sat there with their arms folded. No one had a good time. "Hard Skool" is awful anyway. The best thing about being a GN'R fan is coming here to complain and point out how washed-up they are 15-20 times a day. Edited October 21, 2021 by RichardNixon 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaskingApathy Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 2 hours ago, ShadowOfTheWave said: Note that SOYL has 8 million Youtube views and was a top 5 hit on rock radio. It wasn't new to us but was to casual fans. Bands GNR's age tend to get one big comeback single and I think we missed it happening right in front of us back in 2018. SOYL has a little under 20 million streams on Spotify, which is more than most of the UYI songs (except the big hits of course) and is within range of the lesser streamed songs on AFD. Absurd and Hard Skool have 2.8 million streams and 2.4 million streams respectively. Plus to casual fans SOYL sounded just like an old classic GnR song because it is an old classic GnR song. I'm sure that helped things, along with the promotion that they did for the single and the boxset. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 It's at #13 on the Mainstream Rock Airplay chart (same position as last week - that's the peak position in this chart so far): https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-mainstream-rock-tracks and at #27 on the Rock & Alternative Airplay chart (from #26 last week): https://assets.billboard.com/charts/rock-airplay Also #22 in Hot Hard Rock Songs (from #15 last week and #2 the week before): https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-hard-rock-songs * In the Billboard charts credits Axl, Slash, Duff and Dizzy are listed as songwriters: (Strange that it lists Axl as "W.B. Rose, Jr.") The song still hasn't appeared in any PRO repertories (ASCAP, GMR or SESAC), though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LA_0013 Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 It’s all very well putting the blame on lack of promotion, management know-how and an aging fan base on the indifference to the release. The tour numbers suggest otherwise. Let’s just admit it - the song is shite 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klakly Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Twinaleblood said: Oh! Quale? ️ It's called Radio Nostagia, it's a local radio station in Tuscany. I'm amazed because it usually puts only old classic rock songs, like Aerosmith, Stones, etc...but few new releases. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Riggs Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Blackstar said: It's at #13 on the Mainstream Rock Airplay chart (same position as last week - that's the peak position in this chart so far): https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-mainstream-rock-tracks and at #27 on the Rock & Alternative Airplay chart (from #26 last week): https://assets.billboard.com/charts/rock-airplay Also #22 in Hot Hard Rock Songs (from #15 last week and #2 the week before): https://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-hard-rock-songs * In the Billboard charts credits Axl, Slash, Duff and Dizzy are listed as songwriters: (Strange that it lists Axl as "W.B. Rose, Jr.") The song still hasn't appeared in any PRO repertories (ASCAP, GMR or SESAC), though. So it seems it may be beginning to stall a bit. The YouTube #s don’t lie though. It’s lackluster all things considered to this point. I mean I like Billy Idol for what he is, but his new tune that came out around the time of Absurd has similar YouTube #s as 2 “new” GNR songs…I actually like Billy’s song but considering how popular GNR were and still are touring wise they shouldn’t have similar #s for views on YouTube. I mean shit GNR has the biggest songs (let alone rock) of the 80’s and 90’s on the website… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Bird Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Martin Riggs said: So it seems it may be beginning to stall a bit. The YouTube #s don’t lie though. It’s lackluster all things considered to this point. I mean I like Billy Idol for what he is, but his new tune that came out around the time of Absurd has similar YouTube #s as 2 “new” GNR songs…I actually like Billy’s song but considering how popular GNR were and still are touring wise they shouldn’t have similar #s for views on YouTube. I mean shit GNR has the biggest songs (let alone rock) of the 80’s and 90’s on the website… I'm not somebody who defends them all the time but this isn't a fair competition because the GNR tracks have no video. I think with a music video Youtube views were much more than what they are now. That being said, it's their own fault. They could have made a music video if they were interested in. But to compare those two you have to go with the spotify streams imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Riggs Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Free Bird said: I'm not somebody who defends them all the time but this isn't a fair competition because the GNR tracks have no video. I think with a music video Youtube views were much more than what they are now. That being said, it's their own fault. They could have made a music video if they were interested in. But to compare those two you have to go with the spotify streams imo. Fair enough but at the same time Billy’s video is pretty simplistic. It’s not apples to apples but considering the stature of GNR and him at this point in time it still says something Imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoochild Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 The sad thing is that if any fan like us actually make a video from audience footage and/or proshot clips from the official social media, the band and UMG would block the video. If not, it could very well overtake the official one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 19 hours ago, 19AT5 said: Said it a few times, but I quite like HS though mid-section is just weird to me, and what the fuck is with all that 'hey hey heys'!? I mean c'mon! But other than that as a song, I think it's decent enough. I mean it ain't gonna be one of their greatest hits but it's okay. And that's possibly the problem... it's just okay. It sounds like GNR, but almost like GNR by numbers. All the components are there... and yet it just lacks something. As discussed earlier in this thread as well, the mix and master is borderline criminal!! For all the good bits, Hard Skool is obviously an unfinished song. I doubt i will ever hear Hard Skool on the radio here in hte UK. UK radio does still play Sweet Child O' Mine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
star Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Martin Riggs said: So it seems it may be beginning to stall a bit. The YouTube #s don’t lie though. It’s lackluster all things considered to this point. I mean I like Billy Idol for what he is, but his new tune that came out around the time of Absurd has similar YouTube #s as 2 “new” GNR songs…I actually like Billy’s song but considering how popular GNR were and still are touring wise they shouldn’t have similar #s for views on YouTube. I mean shit GNR has the biggest songs (let alone rock) of the 80’s and 90’s on the website… Didn't know Billy Idol was still going. I only ever likeed White Wedding Atleast he still has his hair. I recall a news article pre_internet days, that mentioned Billy needed to cut down on bleeching his hair, as he would end up loosing it Edited October 21, 2021 by star Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnR Chris Posted October 21, 2021 Share Posted October 21, 2021 A huge portion of GNR's fan base doesn't give a shit about new music. It's "classic rockers" who wanna hear the bangers from their youth. The songs that were playing on the radio when they came of age, partied, lost virginity, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-Ass Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 On 10/21/2021 at 2:20 AM, Martin Riggs said: So it seems it may be beginning to stall a bit. The YouTube #s don’t lie though. It’s lackluster all things considered to this point. I mean I like Billy Idol for what he is, but his new tune that came out around the time of Absurd has similar YouTube #s as 2 “new” GNR songs…I actually like Billy’s song but considering how popular GNR were and still are touring wise they shouldn’t have similar #s for views on YouTube. I mean shit GNR has the biggest songs (let alone rock) of the 80’s and 90’s on the website… "Lets Go Brandon" has more views than Hardschool lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basic_GnR_Fan Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 40 minutes ago, Tom-Ass said: "Lets Go Brandon" has more views than Hardschool lol Let's Go Brandon has a lot less Spotify listens though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GnR Chris Posted October 22, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) Imagine if gnr promoted a single the same way The Conspirators just did. With an actual music video, a band photo, and a few interviews. Edited October 22, 2021 by GnR Chris 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvH Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 On 10/22/2021 at 11:01 PM, GnR Chris said: Imagine if gnr promoted a single the same way The Conspirators just did. With an actual music video, a band photo, and a few interviews. ABSURD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanecrescente Posted October 25, 2021 Share Posted October 25, 2021 Finally heard Hard Skool on UK Radio (absolute classic rock) today and they somehow had it edited down to 2m55s, like it wasn't short enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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