kingcanyon Posted September 26, 2021 Author Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, oneway23 said: Please don't attack me. I have no idea where Axl actually was on the Saturday following said interview. but why saturday why not soon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 30 minutes ago, SoulMonster said: I have never said I am waiting for a full album of new Axl lyrics and vocals. This is the second time you make this erroneous claim about me. And this is the third time you have asked me about "when I will give up". When will you stop putting words into my mouth? Ok, what's your stance then? He has recorded all of these songs, but you're not expecting to hear any of them as he may never release any of them? Ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 42 minutes ago, oneway23 said: I know Pele seems to catch a lot of heat on here, and I don't know the guy from Adam, so...far be it from me to defend him, but, maybe the people pinning 1999 on him are either taking the mickey, at this point, or else, they're being overly pedantic because they don't care for either his outlook, or his persistence. I don't hang here regularly anymore, but, from where I'm sitting, I think Pele has made it pretty clear that when he says, "no vocals since 1999", he's being a little sarcastic and needling people about Axl's lack of output. I think it's pretty obvious that we all acknowledge there was work done in 06/07. The debate here, in my eyes, is whether or not there's been anything since. And that’s the point - we can debate and guess….but @Pele is getting a hard time because he is pretty much staying opinion as fact when we really don’t know. To say something ‘doesn’t exist’ just because it’s not been heard or leaked isn’t a great argument. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, DTJ80 said: Why? Just because we haven’t heard anything doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. IMO….I’d be pretty shocked that a guy/vocalist who has a state of the art studio actually in his house hasn’t laid down vocals in 15 years. That just seems extremely unlikely. Wouldn't you have thought it was unlikely that he released Silkworms as a single, instead of a new song? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alangarcianr Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Aren’t the vocals on This I love remix from 2010? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Pele said: Wouldn't you have thought it was unlikely that he released Silkworms as a single, instead of a new song? Yeah - I’d never EVER have expected Silkworms to be released as a single. Anyone who says otherwise is talking nonsense…..but that in itself doesn’t lend itself to mean there are no other recent vocals. Clearly Axl likes he track and the band appear to do also (based on live performances)….so if that’s what they wanted to lead with then fair doos. Personally - I’d rather hear a take on Perhaps/Atlas. And if the 99 vocals are better than what he can physically do now….100% use them. But this debate is about what has been done ‘recently’ and I posted to say I just can’t believe the guy would have a state of the art studio in his own house and not lay down any vocals. I can’t prove it either way of course but I’d suggest the odds are he has - we just haven’t heard them. Edited September 26, 2021 by DTJ80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcanyon Posted September 26, 2021 Author Share Posted September 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, alangarcianr said: Aren’t the vocals on This I love remix from 2010? 2009 or 2010 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneway23 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, DTJ80 said: Why? Just because we haven’t heard anything doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. IMO….I’d be pretty shocked that a guy/vocalist who has a state of the art studio actually in his house hasn’t laid down vocals in 15 years. That just seems extremely unlikely. Look...shockingly, I'm not an insider, I have no additional information. It can be likely or unlikely. I honestly don't care. It's merely my opinion. I will say it for the last time. I hope he has hundreds of songs with completed vocals. I don't give a rat's ass about when they were recorded, and, I hope every single on of them sees the light of day someday. If they leak, I will listen, and if they are released, I will buy them. Beyond that, I'm not claiming certainty on anything. As for the "state of the art studio", we're talking about a guy who wasted more than most of us will ever see in our lives on building chicken coops and paying an army of engineers/band members/producers/studio owners millions to let his band hang out, fart around, and watch porn for weeks at a time at studios costing thousands per day. Would it shock me if he has a studio collecting dust? No, it wouldn't Edited September 26, 2021 by oneway23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, DTJ80 said: And that’s the point - we can debate and guess….but @Pele is getting a hard time because he is pretty much staying opinion as fact when we really don’t know. To say something ‘doesn’t exist’ just because it’s not been heard or leaked isn’t a great argument. Yeah good point. I've tried to say enough times I don't know. I firmly, 100% believe I'm right (with the overall theme). Problem is, I can never be proved right. Soul Monster is my biggest critic, yet he now claims he's not necessarily expecting to hear any songs from Axl. How many decades need to go by before you realize these songs don't exist? How many 'new' releases of edited demos that we've already heard will need to drop before they realize there is no 'vault'. You can envision Slash leaving in a few years, and all these people saying an album was ready to go, and now he needs to re-record it with another guitarist. Then you'll get Fortus saying he's doing finishing touches on vocals in 2026..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, DTJ80 said: Yeah - I’d never EVER have expected Silkworms to be released as a single. Anyone who says otherwise is talking nonsense…..but that in itself doesn’t lend itself to mean there are no other recent vocals. Clearly Axl likes he track and the band appear to do also (based on live performances)….so if that’s what they wanted to lead with then fair doos. Personally - I’d rather hear a take on Perhaps/Atlas. And if the 99 vocals are better than what he can physically do now….100% use them. But this debate is about what has been done ‘recently’ and I posted to say I just can’t believe the guy would have a state of the art studio in his own house and not lay down any vocals. I can’t prove it either way of course but I’d suggest the odds are he has - we just haven’t heard them. He likes the track because it's one of the few that he actually finished. I can't prove either way either - I firmly believe if he had written/recorded anything worthy of release, he wouldn't have given us Silkworms, or even a 20 year old HardSkool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janrichmond Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Pele said: Soul Monster is my biggest critic, Nah, there's loads more critical than Soul but they have you on ignore now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTJ80 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, oneway23 said: Look...shockingly, I'm not an insider, I have no additional information. It can be likely or unlikely. I honestly don't care. It's merely my opinion. Apparently, me being open-minded, even to the point of having a strong desire to be proven wrong, isn't devout enough. I will say it for the last time. I hope he has hundreds of songs with completed vocals. I don't give a rat's ass about when they were recorded, and, I hope every single on of them sees the light of day someday. If they leak, I will listen, and if they are released I will buy them. Beyond that, I'm not claiming certainty on anything. As for the "state of the art studio", we're talking about a guy who wasted more than most of us will ever see in our lives on building chicken coops and paying an army of engineers/band members/producers/studio owners millions to let his band hang out, fart around, and watch porn for weeks at a time at studios costing thousands per day To be fair mate - I wasn’t suggesting you were an insider or anything…merely pointing out that the lack of hearing anything doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. TBH - none of us really know. 🤷🏼♂️ 5 minutes ago, Pele said: He likes the track because it's one of the few that he actually finished. I can't prove either way either - I firmly believe if he had written/recorded anything worthy of release, he wouldn't have given us Silkworms, or even a 20 year old HardSkool. Ultimately….time will tell! And (IMO) Perhaps is more than worthy of release and infinitely more ‘radio friendly’ so why wasn’t that released? GNR are beyond trying to understand! 🤷🏼♂️ Edited September 26, 2021 by DTJ80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcanyon Posted September 26, 2021 Author Share Posted September 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Pele said: Yeah good point. I've tried to say enough times I don't know. I firmly, 100% believe I'm right (with the overall theme). Problem is, I can never be proved right. Soul Monster is my biggest critic, yet he now claims he's not necessarily expecting to hear any songs from Axl. How many decades need to go by before you realize these songs don't exist? How many 'new' releases of edited demos that we've already heard will need to drop before they realize there is no 'vault'. You can envision Slash leaving in a few years, and all these people saying an album was ready to go, and now he needs to re-record it with another guitarist. Then you'll get Fortus saying he's doing finishing touches on vocals in 2026..... you say some songs don't have vocals soul monster (the song) has vocals as the bridge was one axl's faviourites he said that in the fan chats in 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
opalho Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 21 minutes ago, DTJ80 said: Ultimately….time will tell! And (IMO) Perhaps is more than worthy of release and infinitely more ‘radio friendly’ so why wasn’t that released? GNR are beyond trying to understand! 🤷🏼♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denin Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 22 minutes ago, oneway23 said: Look...shockingly, I'm not an insider, I have no additional information. It can be likely or unlikely. I honestly don't care. It's merely my opinion. For someone who doesn't care or know, you seem quite eager to draw the line on 2007 with the vox. Pick a lane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneway23 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, denin said: For someone who doesn't care or know, you seem quite eager to draw the line on 2007 with the vox. Pick a lane. Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denin Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Just now, oneway23 said: Why? Because you might contribute more to the discussion that way. Now you just come off as someone who cares a lot and tries to convince themselves otherwise. Know thyself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felixGNR Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 how the fuck did Rose spend 15 millions recording so little then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcanyon Posted September 26, 2021 Author Share Posted September 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, felixGNR said: how the fuck did Rose spend 15 millions recording so little then? but did he or does he have loads of unheard songs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, felixGNR said: how the fuck did Rose spend 15 millions recording so little then? Haven't you read the various reports from people who worked on it? Studios are expensive. Engineers are expensive. Musicians are expensive. There were endless studio sessions, month after month, where he just didn't show up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chester Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 “It’d take a lot more time, than you have got for masturbation”… What’s really interesting is that Rose recorded vocals about this thread in ‘99. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingcanyon Posted September 26, 2021 Author Share Posted September 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, chester said: “It’d take a lot more time, than you have got for masturbation”… What’s really interesting is that Rose recorded vocals about this thread in ‘99. not funny i was listening to the song chinese democracy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumandraisin Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 The vox for better must have been done prior to 2003. Didn't the early 2006 leak come from a strip club visit Axl made where the cd was copied. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumandraisin Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Also I'm still waiting Pele to put his money where his mouth is and show these supposed multiple quotes from 4tus saying Axl is finishing vocals. I'm certain Pele is making up crap again. There are no interviews of him saying that post 2006. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, rumandraisin said: Also I'm still waiting Pele to put his money where his mouth is and show these supposed multiple quotes from 4tus saying Axl is finishing vocals. I'm certain Pele is making up crap again. There are no interviews of him saying that post 2006. 2014 "I know this week he's recording a lot of stuff, vocally." https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/richard-fortus-on-new-guns-n-roses-album-axl-rose-wants-to-create-stuff-and-release-it-when-its-ready/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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