darkside259 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 (edited) i was watching some AXL/DC videos and what the fuck dude, was some kind of 92 axl there full range and rasp, i really can t understand why in guns he doesnt sing like that, i mean 2016 standard was good but that was EPIC i mean was axl from the 90s kinda deal look from 2:41 adn 3:11 is the 90s axl right there after the 2013 or 2014 who would say that was even posssible in terms of his voice?? i cant really undestand what is going on Edited September 29, 2021 by downzy Removed YouTube link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gibson87 Posted September 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2021 (edited) I think AC/DC ruined his voice. He was amazing in 2016 but he was never quite the same after the AC/DC gigs. Edited September 29, 2021 by Gibson87 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Comstock Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 The reason he doesn't sing like that in GNR, is because he sang like that in AC/DC. He pushed his voice to its limits singing Hell's Bells, Back In Black, etc. and it's been deteriorating since then. The constant NITL touring certainly didn't help. He sounds a bit better in 2021 than he did in 2019-20, but he clearly still damaged his voice. If Angus called him tomorrow and asked him to do more shows, even if Axl wanted to do it, he wouldn't sound anything like he did 5 years ago. As far as GNR in 2016 - he brought the powerful raspy voice when he needed to, in WTTJ, OTGM, etc. but he was never gonna sing SCOM, Estranged or November Rain like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNRfanMILO Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Yup, anyone who doesn’t think that AC/DC permanently damaged his voice is delusional. That good sounding, natural and effortless rasp never returned after those shows. Any sort of rasp that came after that sounded forced and unhealthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycgunner Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Can we delete the YouTube link please? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 We do not allow YouTube links to content that is not properly owned or licensed by the uploader. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDemocracyRose Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 I believe Axl could do the AC/DC stuff again with the right preparations... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post James Bond Posted September 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2021 52 minutes ago, GNRfanMILO said: Yup, anyone who doesn’t think that AC/DC permanently damaged his voice is delusional. That good sounding, natural and effortless rasp never returned after those shows. Any sort of rasp that came after that sounded forced and unhealthy. I agree. The constant NITL touring probably doesn't help matters, but he had a level of consistency at the 2016 Guns shows that we didn't see again beyond that and that is likely because of AC/DC. There were even some shaky, voice cracking AC/DC gigs near the end of that run. I watched a Hells Bells recently from one of the final US shows (I can't remember which off hand) and he cracked a few times. Now, in 2021, when he does manage to get some rasp out it has a gurgled, unhealthy quality to it. There's no clarity to his enunciation anymore like there was previously. Plus, while a lot of people point to AC/DC as proof that Axl can still do it, that was already five years ago and I just don't think he could do it again. I think he needs proper coaching and to rearrange more songs to fit what he can still do. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranich Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 minute ago, TheDemocracyRose said: I believe Axl could do the AC/DC stuff again with the right preparations... I think that he would hit the notes and sound good overall, but the rasp would be a no show Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post James Bond Posted September 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2021 I should also mention that in no way do I think Axl is phoning it in at these gigs. He's definitely giving it his all. Even at the unfortunate Hershey show he was clearing trying. Plus, he's genuinely looking less bloated and in a great mood cracking jokes. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitarpatch Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Guns songs are just more vocally challenging. It’s the constant change of vocal registers and going in between them that seems to give him issues. If all he had to do was belt high notes with “rasp”, it would most likely be more consistent. If he wasn’t prepared to tour, he’d blow his voice out the first week of shows 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jw224 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 I think he's probably done some damage to his voice, although he has admitted himself that he doesn't use a vocal coach and the only time he'd used one in years was for ACDC, so I wouldn't personally describe just going out and singing and sounding however you sound as trying your best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jafeijo Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 Lack of vocal coach, in 2016 he was on both tours teamed up with Ron Anderson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnfnrs1972 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 I don't understand the infatuation with live music. You have the recorded versions where he nails it every time. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDemocracyRose Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 52 minutes ago, Kranich said: I think that he would hit the notes and sound good overall, but the rasp would be a no show Different songs and he can still rasp especially in the last shows we heard... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoulMonster Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 I think it is a mix of reasons: - For GN'R he has settled on easier way to sing certain demanding songs with less distortion. Work-arounds. That's a decision he can make for his own music but as a guest vocalist for another band he has to do whatever he can to be faithful to the originals. - Axl pushed himself vocally when he came up with the vocal melodies for many GN'R songs. he wrote parts that was challenging to him, because he wanted the songs to be as great as possible. Unfortunately, this means that now that he has gotten older and his voice isn't as malleable and flexible as it was when he was younger, some of these vocal melodies have gotten too difficult. For AC/DC songs, although definitely challenging in their own ways, it worked better with his current voice. - Axl probably got extra motivated when doing AC/DC and was more willing to take risks of hurting his voice. It was important for him to give it all he got. He knew bad performances would be terrible for his "legacy', if you will. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside259 Posted September 29, 2021 Author Share Posted September 29, 2021 1 hour ago, downzy said: We do not allow YouTube links to content that is not properly owned or licensed by the uploader. my bad i thought it was only to gnr videos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koldbeer2 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 His voice just isn't there in terms of the rasp anymore, it was already weakening and starting to get more gruff during 2017 and we started to see the struggles start in 2018 (those TIL performances for example where his voice just dropped away). ACDC probably did cause damage, not training his voice and preserving it combined with alot of wear and tear from touring has done his mid range completely as well. Sadly I think despite coping better on this tour with his limits, we aren't far from a tour where his voice utterly gives out on the high range and he HAS to sing low, at least at the start of the tour. It will be a sad day but nearly every first gig of the leg has been worse than the last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downzy Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 50 minutes ago, darkside259 said: my bad i thought it was only to gnr videos Unfortunately no. The knives have been out for us for awhile, so anything that violates copyright and gets posted here is a potential strike against the forum if we allow it to stay up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside259 Posted September 29, 2021 Author Share Posted September 29, 2021 Just now, downzy said: Unfortunately no. The knives have been out for us for awhile, so anything that violates copyright and gets posted here is a potential strike against the forum if we allow it to stay up. won t happend again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMojo Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 It's just strained. Saying that, 2013 was one of the weakest years of his career. If he can come back from that I think he can come back from this. A break, vocal coach and trying would help greatly. It'll never be peak but I think it Coul come close. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexmee239 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 I think a vocal coach would do the trick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StrangerInThisTown Posted September 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted September 29, 2021 (edited) I think you guys are dreaming. He has sounded the exact same 2016-2021 except for the ACDC shows. Fucking look it up. Nothing changed, he wasn't any less mickey in 2016, apart from the Houston show. He sounded awful on songs like YCBM and RQ and PC BEFORE the ACDC shows, and after. Didn't "damage" or change his vocals at all. Edited September 29, 2021 by StrangerInThisTown 4 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
felixGNR Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 he needs a voice lift. And a vocal coach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiedingle Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 he is a very lazy man 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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