WhazUp Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: Don't read it. It's an opinion piece rather than a biography. His sources were old interviews from the 80s and 90s he had no new info, it's all from 'a source close to the band' and we all know anytime that's said it's almost always BS. Thanks, I will not read it in that case! I am glad I got it used, and as a gift then, so me and the person who gave it to me years ago are not at a loss either way lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit83 Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 9 minutes ago, Tom2112 said: The most interesting section of this interview and both interviewer and interviewee won't talk about it. Why mention Axls personal life if you're not going to talk about it? my guess is that Mick loves to be thought of as 'in the know'. I don't doubt Axl was in a dark spot in the 90s and throughout most of the making of Chinese though... I don't think you need to be an insider to work that out. You can talk about a topic without doing a deep dive into every aspect. He spoke of Axl's mental health as a jumping off point to his own, made sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cineater Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Thought that was good. I haven't read any of his books but I totally get the part about every fact may not be a fact when you are looking back at something that happen. You can't get everybody who's present at a car wreck to write the same story. I've gotten to the point of saying if I remember correctly. And then there's my point of view and for some of those stories I and everybody else were totally wasted. Had to laugh at the sweat pants joke. I believe he's referring to the black ones, cut off to shorts. Comfy I'm sure and I've looked worse but never outside of the house! I don't know why he thinks Axl is all alone. Close relationships don't have to be based on sex or even longevity. Axl might even like the chance to be alone. You'd have to ask him those questions. I wouldn't feel bad for him. He looks pretty happy these days I would have taken "you won" as a comment about having a famous band and personal fortune. About the band being back together, I'd just say "most of it worked itself out". Not something you would want to think of as winning. But again, you'd have to ask Axl how he sees that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom2112 Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 10 hours ago, Gambit83 said: You can talk about a topic without doing a deep dive into every aspect. He spoke of Axl's mental health as a jumping off point to his own, made sense to me. Seems to happen a fair bit😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cineater Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 16 hours ago, Tom2112 said: The most interesting section of this interview and both interviewer and interviewee won't talk about it. Why mention Axls personal life if you're not going to talk about it? my guess is that Mick loves to be thought of as 'in the know'. I don't doubt Axl was in a dark spot in the 90s and throughout most of the making of Chinese though... I don't think you need to be an insider to work that out. How much do they really know about his personal life? Mick I'm assuming is going off of Axl from the early 90's and Brando from what he's heard. There's a narrative out there about Axl that maybe more fiction then reality, less fact and more opinion. Don't know the guy but nobody is the same person they were 30 years ago, not even 10 years ago. Like Mick said, just people. Then again just people don't sell out big rock shows, you need a guy with a narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit83 Posted January 24, 2022 Author Share Posted January 24, 2022 40 minutes ago, cineater said: How much do they really know about his personal life? Mick I'm assuming is going off of Axl from the early 90's and Brando from what he's heard. There's a narrative out there about Axl that maybe more fiction then reality, less fact and more opinion. Don't know the guy but nobody is the same person they were 30 years ago, not even 10 years ago. Like Mick said, just people. Then again just people don't sell out big rock shows, you need a guy with a narrative. I always say I don't really know these people, that I have a fan perspective. Even those I interview, do I really "know" them? No. Neither does Mick and he knows that. Mick said a lot of nice things about Axl in the interview, but no one seems to pick up on that. FYI that will be Mick's gripe next time he's on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Blackstar Posted January 24, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 24, 2022 (edited) The mistakes in dates and places are a lesser problem in Mick Wall's books. The biggest problem is the way he handles facts and uses quotes for the sake of "literature". Just a small example off the top of my head from both his "W.A.R." and "The last of the Giants" books (there are only small differences in the wording): In the part about the outcome of the Adler lawsuit in 1993, he quotes a comment Axl had made about Steven in an interview a year prior, making it look like Axl's reaction to the out of court settlement. It's not a mistake (he knows the interview is from 1992, since he cites it at the end of the book), so I guess he just did it for "dramatic effect". Also when he weaves facts with fiction (like, for example, what Axl was supposedly thinking when he was alone at nights). It's this kind of stuff that annoys me the most, personally. As much as he likes to say that his books on bands are literature and that he doesn't write them for the fans, they are sold as biographies, not as essays or novels, and so they are expected to be factually accurate; and, of course, the target group is the fans or people who at least have some interest in said bands. I would have no interest in reading a book on Backstreet Boys or any other band I don't care about regardless of its supposed literary merits - and I don't know anyone else who would. To not be all negative, his first book (the one released in 1991) that compiled his interviews with the band was good and his "Last of the Giants" book had some new information sourced from his interviews with Alan Niven and Doug Goldstein. Also good on him that he hasn't shared stories he has heard about Axl's personal life (although the "other layer" he mentioned in regards to Axl's childhood traumas might be the same story shared - probably accidentally - by Tom Zutaut in the BBC documentary), if it's really out of respect. But, like others said, I doubt he knows anything about Axl's life currently. Edited January 24, 2022 by Blackstar 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Oh, and if he has Axl on tape talking about Vince Neil in 1990, he should release it. I don't think it would hurt Axl. Axl didn't deny talking shit about Vince Neil and challenging him to a fight (in fact, he continued challenging him in subsequent interviews for a while). He even stated that the things he said about him in the interview with Mick Wall were even meaner than what came out in Kerrang. His problem seemed to be the way his words were paraphrased - and, in a related note, it's interesting that the quotes about Vince Neil in the Kerrang interview are not identical to the ones included in the extended version of the interview that was published in Mick Wall's 1991 book. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nice Boy Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 Defending factual errors (even if minor) by saying his books are "just literature" is meaningless and doesn't wash, for me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cineater Posted January 24, 2022 Share Posted January 24, 2022 4 hours ago, Gambit83 said: I always say I don't really know these people, that I have a fan perspective. Even those I interview, do I really "know" them? No. Neither does Mick and he knows that. Mick said a lot of nice things about Axl in the interview, but no one seems to pick up on that. FYI that will be Mick's gripe next time he's on. No point in gripping, just the way it is, just the angle that's always taken when it comes to Axl. His nice stuff isn't what people are interested in. You are respectful and all you can do is let people tell it from their perspective. It's their hand to play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit83 Posted January 29, 2022 Author Share Posted January 29, 2022 While chatting privately with Doug today, we decided to have fun with this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ixtlan Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 5 hours ago, Gambit83 said: While chatting privately with Doug today, we decided to have fun with this... Brando, did Doug sign an NDA that has lapsed? I haven’t heard anything on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gambit83 Posted January 30, 2022 Author Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Ixtlan said: Brando, did Doug sign an NDA that has lapsed? I haven’t heard anything on this issue. with GNR? I don't think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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