Alejandro GNR Posted February 2, 2022 Share Posted February 2, 2022 Bucket just cant be compared to Ashba in terms of playing...that said, I believe DJ is right, Bucket didnt fit. We fans started to appreciate gin as a player and potential GnR contributor years after we saw him for the first time with Axl. After all these years i would still love an Axl and Bucket album 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausagebrain Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Who remembers the shit awful, fake 'bad boy' rock band 'Towers Of London'? That's the sort of band DJ belongs in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AXL_N_DIZZY Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 (edited) On 2/2/2022 at 5:49 AM, Alejandro GNR said: Bucket just cant be compared to Ashba in terms of playing...that said, I believe DJ is right, Bucket didnt fit. We fans started to appreciate gin as a player and potential GnR contributor years after we saw him for the first time with Axl. After all these years i would still love an Axl and Bucket album I think that’s a fair point. A lot of the Bucket- and Finck for that matter- “love” among hardcore came after their departure from the band when Chinese neared release. Fully, 5-6 years after his involvement in Bucket’s case. Believe Djs actually honed in on the 2000-02 timeframe when most of the public- including many long time fans- had trouble w/the radical visual/stylistic change of the band as a performing entity. Though I enjoyed that line-up (was at MSG ‘02)- that was also my experience in speaking to other fans, friends, etc. about Guns at the time too. Virtuoso playing wasn’t going to overcome that. You’re talking about a 1st ballot HOF-type band w/very established image less than 10 years out from the legendary UYI Tour. Also- just as soon as someone might of thought Bucket was kinda cool/worth exploring more- he was gone. Just wasn’t meant to be. For the record, I do think Bucket is amazing, “Sorry” is my favorite song on Chinese, I’d put Population Override up against any record anywhere, and I would love an Axl/Bucket (‘n Brain) album… Always thought it should be a Christmas album actually. Hanna-Barbera meets Trans-Siberian Orchestra on steroids or something. Lol. Edited February 5, 2022 by AXL_N_DIZZY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottish nutter Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 18 hours ago, Sausagebrain said: Who remembers the shit awful, fake 'bad boy' rock band 'Towers Of London'? That's the sort of band DJ belongs in. I quite like some of their songs, seen them open for gnr in glasgow 2096 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausagebrain Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, scottish nutter said: I quite like some of their songs, seen them open for gnr in glasgow 2096 Oh shit, I forgot that they opened for GnR. Ah well, I agree with Bill Bailey (not that one - the comedian). They were about as 'punk as Enya'. And as far as I am concerned, the same could be said about DJ. Edited February 6, 2022 by Sausagebrain 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 At best Bucket was an awkward fit. They and he, did their best to make it work but never really felt natural. Felt like Axl hired a robot to make atari noises over his new songs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovim Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 38 minutes ago, moreblack said: At best Bucket was an awkward fit. They and he, did their best to make it work but never really felt natural. Felt like Axl hired a robot to make atari noises over his new songs. that's selling Bucket short imho. To me it sounded like Axl found a soulful player with unlimited technique and an iconic look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Guapo Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 You're both right, imo. It was definitely a ballsy move. If you can't have Slash, who do you get? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottish nutter Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 10 hours ago, Rovim said: that's selling Bucket short imho. To me it sounded like Axl found a soulful player with unlimited technique and an iconic look. Idiotic look is the words id use, i do agree he is no bad on the guitar though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadcaplaughs Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 (edited) I have been a fan of the Bucket since 1993 or 1994, so when he joined Guns N' Roses, it was a strange "worlds colliding" moment for me. I think someone's description of "awkward" was perfect to summarize his time in the band. Bucket is a guy who does things his own way, and I imagine he would have had a rough transition in even the most well-oiled rock n' roll band. That he managed to record such good parts and play live with Guns N' Roses (already a notoriously chaotic band) during one of the most topsy-turvy periods of its existence was a small miracle. As a huge fan of both parties, I do no think it was ever going to be a "good fit", and to me was on par with had the band gone with Dava Navarro or Zakk Wylde; a cool idea that would have produced good music, but not necessarily meant to last. As much as DJ gets on my nerves, I do think he probably came across a lot harsher than he meant. Sometimes things get lost in translation between the tone of the words and text. He seems to have complete respect for Buckethead, but acknowledges that, for many fans, his "shtick" was a hard thing to overcome, and only added to the idea at the time that Axl had lost the plot. Richard Fortus and Robin Finck both said similar things about Bucket as Ashba. I think Robin even dimissed Bucket, to a degree, as a "stunt player" in the last interview he did. Even on a musical level, Buckethead's playing stands about as opposite from the Slash/Izzy dynamic as you could get. To me, it was really fun seeing Buckethead running wild with Appetite/UYI material and putting his spin on it, but again, I could see how many would see it as a poor fit. My memories of Buckethead were that, while many appreciated his skill as a guitarist, even the most dedicated fans had mixed feelings about his presence in the band. I do not think the love for Buckethead in GN'R came until a few years later, when Bucket became slightly more of a public figure due to Guitar Hero and collaborations with other artists. Edited February 6, 2022 by themadcaplaughs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nintari Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 He didn't--at all--but he was still leagues beyond Ashba. lol Guy is to technical guitar what Hendrix was to blues-rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonGuns Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 On 2/4/2022 at 11:35 PM, Sausagebrain said: Who remembers the shit awful, fake 'bad boy' rock band 'Towers Of London'? That's the sort of band DJ belongs in. When Hardskool was released one of my friends said it was terrible “dad rock” that reminded him of Towers of London. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sausagebrain Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 11 hours ago, ToonGuns said: When Hardskool was released one of my friends said it was terrible “dad rock” that reminded him of Towers of London. Ouch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubanSkies Dummy Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 I think Robespierre is cool. But Robin Finck is thousand times better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majestic Beast Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 Buckethead really didn't fit GnR sometimes,but DJ too didn't fit well,so who wins here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stay.Of.Execution Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Majestic Beast said: Buckethead really didn't fit GnR sometimes,but DJ too didn't fit well,so who wins here? The superior guitar player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTV88 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 4 hours ago, Stay.Of.Execution said: The superior guitar player So, Paul Huge? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilacmess Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) No matter what your opinion on Buckethead is, he appears very strange and outlandish to most people actually. I like some of Buckethead's output, although I have no overview of his releases. I'm definitely no expert, but I kind of connected with the Pike for his mother, #65, I believe. I also liked Captain EO's Voyage and some other Pikes (#263 among them). The funny thing though is I never think of Gn'R when I listen to Buckethead. I saw some live footage of Guns with Bucket and he does look kind of out of place. I love Sorry though. And I assume some of his solos, I guess. I have to admit I'm not sure who plays what on CD. I never cared for DJ Ashba in Gn'R (or at all). Maybe I don't do him justice, but he was the reason back then, I thought to myself: "Okay, I'm outta here." 😃 Edited February 15, 2022 by lilacmess 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moreblack Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) Part of GNR's entire schtick is the sense of going off the rails at any time. Bucket didn't have that. There was not one dangerous bone in that guy's body. He could play a lot of notes, but if there's no struggle there's no intensity, then what's the point? Edited February 15, 2022 by moreblack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mansin Humanity Posted February 15, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2022 and DJ ashba was dangerous? what was the danger there? that he might forget how to play a power chord? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 I love Stinson's work, but the irony of him singling out Bucket for not fitting the band when you had a keyboard player that looked like a runner up in a Village People lookalike contest among other interesting erratic individual choices of apparel - I couldn't give a fuck about their appearance though, musically I rank the 2001/06 era of the band higher than all others in a live setting as they had a lot more in their arsenal than what other eras had, with the more fleshed out sound that would closer resemble to what was on the records, but with their own spin on it. It's a shame that certain members didn't get along, as they made great fucking music together. The unpredictability factor was still tagged on that lineup of the band too, regardless of how they may have been perceived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilacmess Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, moreblack said: Part of GNR's entire schtick is the sense of going off the rails at any time. Bucket didn't have that. There was not one dangerous bone in that guy's body. He could play a lot of notes, but if there's no struggle there's no intensity, then what's the point? What do you mean? Not dangerous? Just because he's got a song called "I Love My Parents"? No seriously, I personally have a feeling BH could go off the rails any minute. For real. I don't know if Tom Zutaut's stories are to be trusted, but they are pretty disturbing. Dog poo, hardcore porn, that chicken coop no one was allowed to enter. He didn't fit, not because he was boring, but because he wasn't one of the cool kids. Axl and Slash were always the good looking rogues other kids aspired to be. Buckethead not so much. Ashba not so much. Edited February 15, 2022 by lilacmess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 2/7/2022 at 8:24 AM, ToonGuns said: When Hardskool was released one of my friends said it was terrible “dad rock” that reminded him of Towers of London. Not a bad description. The mad thing is that it was cheesy already, but passable. He actually made it more cringe by changing the spelling from School to Skool, and adding a school bell to the intro. It now sounds like a 'Saved by the Bell' theme song. Would have been an adequate album track on Chinese, and better than Scraped/Riad/Catcher. Instead, he tinkered with it for 23 years and made it worse and more cheesy. But what else is he gonna work on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pele Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 18 hours ago, lilacmess said: What do you mean? Not dangerous? Just because he's got a song called "I Love My Parents"? No seriously, I personally have a feeling BH could go off the rails any minute. For real. I don't know if Tom Zutaut's stories are to be trusted, but they are pretty disturbing. Dog poo, hardcore porn, that chicken coop no one was allowed to enter. He didn't fit, not because he was boring, but because he wasn't one of the cool kids. Axl and Slash were always the good looking rogues other kids aspired to be. Buckethead not so much. Ashba not so much. Exactly. What's dangerous about a 60 year old, out of shape singer, that dresses like a goth, wears eyeliner and is scared to talk to people or release music. Buckethead fitted in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gackt Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Ashba's level of talent is not even being worthy of tuning Bucket's guitar. Seriously, Ashba doesn't know how to tune a guitar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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