The Death Penalty - Opinion's

[gnfnrs1972]

3 hours ago, Dazey said:

Foetuses aren’t people. Glad I could be of help. 

I don't agree. 

Edited August 19, 2022 by gnfnrs1972

[ssiscool]

4 hours ago, gnfnrs1972 said:

The thread is generally talking about killing people. So to me its relevant. But I don't need to discuss it any further. No one changes their mind after debating subjects anyway. 

The killing of people who have committed heinous crimes.

4 hours ago, Dazey said:

Foetuses aren’t people. Glad I could be of help. 

Usually i have much respect for you and your views. But not this one. I don't want to get into a debate over it as it's your right to have an opinion but i just couldn't disagree any more than i do with this comment. 

On topic, Texas executed the individual after all. Next up is the execution of James Coddington who has been recommended for clemency but has yet to receive it from the guvnor

[dontdamnmeuyi2015]

Used to think a life for a life, but now since the prisons suck so bad. I think life in prison will be a worse punishment.  Why should they get death? They should suffer all their lives for killing an innocent person.

[ssiscool]

On 8/19/2022 at 9:11 PM, dontdamnmeuyi2015 said:

Used to think a life for a life, but now since the prisons suck so bad. I think life in prison will be a worse punishment.  Why should they get death? They should suffer all their lives for killing an innocent person.

China doesn't give their death row inmates a date of death. They find out a few hours before they die. That would be worse

[Scream of the Butterfly]

I'm not a sadist, so the idea that somebody should be kept alive just to make them suffer more for their crime doesn't really appeal to me. There are other arguments against the death penalty that I might agree with, but I'm not categorically for or against. The world would be a better place without some of its inhabitants in it.

[PatrickS77]

Alright. Let's add some realness to this, do you support the death penalty or are you absolutely, in any case, against it:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/06/us/memphis-missing-teacher-tuesday/index.html

[Ace Nova]

If I was on a jury and the death penalty was an option, I would be excluded from the jury since I wouldn't sentence someone to death.  Morally, religiously and spiritually, it's not for me to judge.   

At the same time, I wouldn't judge the family of a victim if they wanted the death penalty for someone who killed their family member.  That's a situation no one would ever want to be in and I couldn't imagine the amount of pain and suffering it would cause.  If they feel that the death penalty would give them justice and closure, who am I judge? (The only thing I could do is advise them to speak to other victim's families who went through something similar.  More often than not, they will find out that it may bring the appearance of  "justice" on the surface but it won't likely bring them "closure". )

That said, when it comes to whether or not it should be "legal" - it's not that simple, imo.    In the US, it's left up to the individual states to decide.  There are 27 states where the death penalty could be an option.  23 states that do not have it as an option. 

Even in some of the states that it is "legal" it's starting to become more of a "life sentence" than an actual "death penalty"  The death penalty is "legal" in California for example but California hasn't executed anyone in 16 years.  (And there is currently a state moratorium on executions).   Texas, on the other hand, still enforces capital punishment on a regular basis - but even Texas has slowed down some over the last several years.  The legalities that surround capital punishment in most states are overwhelmingly massive.  That's why it can take decades to execute an inmate on death row.  

I think eventually it will work itself out in the US.   Some states will vote it out, other states will vote to keep it in place.    But my guess is that even in the states where it remains in place, it will eventually become more of a "Death Row" sentence - meaning that the worst offenders will never get out.  

 

 

[ZoSoRose]

We should have a King that just turns all the bad people into juice smoothies and then we wouldn’t have world hunger.

[action]

I can not imagine, sitting there as a judge who just had his breakfast and finished reading his newspaper, then for their next assignment condemn someone to death

I guess it's like with people working at slaughterhouses killing animals on an assembly line.

you need to be a special kind of scumbag to be willing to do any of those jobs

"Hi honey, how was work today?" "Great, darling, sentenced two people to death"

it's all good and well, being enraged and pompously advocating the death penalty for certain crimes, until you actually decide on life and death of a living being.

The moment you do that, you become a lost cause; your soul is forever stained with the guilt of murdering someone. No amount of bourgeois-socialism can ever take that away

Edited September 10, 2022 by action

[ssiscool]

13 minutes ago, action said:

I can not imagine, sitting there as a judge who just had his breakfast and finished reading his newspaper, then for their next assignment condemn someone to death

I guess it's like with people working at slaughterhouses killing animals on an assembly line.

you need to be a special kind of scumbag to be willing to do any of those jobs

"Hi honey, how was work today?" "Great, darling, sentenced two people to death"

it's all good and well, being enraged and pompously advocating the death penalty for certain crimes, until you actually decide on life and death of a living being.

The moment you do that, you become a lost cause; your soul is forever stained with the guilt of murdering someone. No amount of bourgeois-socialism can ever take that away

In that instance, who actually is to blame for the death sentance? The judge who orders them to death, the person who signs the death warrant giving them 30 days to live? The people who administer the drugs/flip the switch? It's not exactly clear cut. 

[Ace Nova]

2 hours ago, action said:

I can not imagine, sitting there as a judge who just had his breakfast and finished reading his newspaper, then for their next assignment condemn someone to death

 

 

2 hours ago, ssiscool said:

In that instance, who actually is to blame for the death sentance? The judge who orders them to death, the person who signs the death warrant giving them 30 days to live? The people who administer the drugs/flip the switch? It's not exactly clear cut. 

In the US, the jury decides whether or not a person is given the death penalty, not the judge.  The jury tells the judge their verdict (usually in writing) and then the judge states it to the defendant. 

As far as the rest of the technicalities go from the day the defendant is sentenced to the day of execution - most people along the process are simply following orders and doing their jobs.  Again, it's not something I would want to be a part of but I wouldn't judge someone for doing their jobs.  

 

Issues like capital punishment aren't resolved by pointing blame and ridiculing people that have a different opinion.  They are resolved over time and through education, information, therapy, etc. 

For example, let people have their say but also show them that what they seek to accomplish won't likely be accomplished by sentencing someone to death.  Most studies show that the death penalty is not a deterrent and it doesn't necessarily bring the closure that victim's families seek.   The cost of executing someone is upwards of 9 times more expensive than making them spend the rest of their lives in jail.  And that's not even getting into the small chance that someone could be actually be innocent.  Then you can use some of the money saved by not using the death penalty towards therapy for the victim's family, compensation for them, etc.   

And at the end of the day, putting the worst offenders away on death row, where they are in solitary confinement upwards of 20+ hours a day, for the rest of their lives, is a most devastating punishment, imo.  

 

Edited September 11, 2022 by Ace Nova

[jimisbatman]

Know this is always a polirrising topic (sry 4 spelling), however do support harsh sentences for murder. In NZ, you can murder someone, get a life sentence, and get paroled after 8 years. One mentally ill man killed someone, got 6 1/2 years in institution, then released and did it again. 

 

[Ace Nova]

20 minutes ago, jimisbatman said:

Know this is always a polirrising topic (sry 4 spelling), however do support harsh sentences for murder. In NZ, you can murder someone, get a life sentence, and get paroled after 8 years. One mentally ill man killed someone, got 6 1/2 years in institution, then released and did it again. 

 

That is one of the more troubling aspects of criminal justice system in many countries, including the U.S.  Unfortunately, many criminal justice systems are designed to punish the worst offenders vs rehabilitation.  And I think the worst offenders  deserve to be punished. 

That said, if some of these offenders do have the possibility of being paroled after a certain amount of time - wouldn't we want to make sure that these offenders are truly rehabilitated before releasing them to society?  I think one solution would be implementing mandatory, 24/7 , long term rehabilitation programs, for any severe offender who could eventually be let out of prison.   I believe some of the Nordic countries have implemented these programs with moderate success.  @SoulMonster could give us some insight there.  

 

 

 

[SoulMonster]

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

That is one of the more troubling aspects of criminal justice system in many countries, including the U.S.  Unfortunately, many criminal justice systems are designed to punish the worst offenders vs rehabilitation.  And I think the worst offenders  deserve to be punished. 

That said, if some of these offenders do have the possibility of being paroled after a certain amount of time - wouldn't we want to make sure that these offenders are truly rehabilitated before releasing them to society?  I think one solution would be implementing mandatory, 24/7 , long term rehabilitation programs, for any severe offender who could eventually be let out of prison.   I believe some of the Nordic countries have implemented these programs with moderate success.  @SoulMonster could give us some insight there.  

Nah, not really, sorry.

[PatrickS77]

6 hours ago, ssiscool said:

In that instance, who actually is to blame for the death sentance? The judge who orders them to death, the person who signs the death warrant giving them 30 days to live? The people who administer the drugs/flip the switch? It's not exactly clear cut. 

Or maybe the person who committed the crime that warrants a death sentence. Really, no scumbag nessesary to make sure that sentencing is handed out. There are rules and laws. Judges tend to follow that, or at least they should.

[action]

7 hours ago, ssiscool said:

In that instance, who actually is to blame for the death sentance? The judge who orders them to death, the person who signs the death warrant giving them 30 days to live? The people who administer the drugs/flip the switch? It's not exactly clear cut. 

just like with the nazi death camps

the lack of clear responsability on every level was the primary reason the death camps could even exist to begin with

the "endlösing" was organised in such a way, that the different members of the Nazi team did not really know what the person next to them were doing. you brought a person from A to B, you signed a document, etc. It was orgainsed in such a way, that as many people as possible were involved, which ensured a profound "split responsability"

"everyone" was responsible, was following orders, and that's the reason the nazis claimed "wir haben es nicht gewusst"

What I'm trying to say is, it is not because you can't pinpoint who is actually to blame, that the concept of the death penalty is any more acceptable

Edited September 11, 2022 by action

[-Jaro-]

Coming from country with questionable justice system - I would say no, but if I was a victim or family member of major crime, don't know...