The JRE

[Sweersa]

1 hour ago, Tom2112 said:

I took the vaccine, got boosters, isolated and wore my mask. Only thing I regret was taking the vaccine, which i won't get into because i'll just get shouted down. Anyway, you're always going to run into people with differing opinions, some you can talk to others are just so moronic you have to put them on ignore both in real life and online.

No doubt! As for the vaccine (for covid, not vaccines in general) I felt the amount of pressure coming from individuals, companies, government, etc. was strange, so that is what turned me off. Some places were handing out gift cards if you got it. That is unusual to me. I understand the benefit of it, but there's risks too, as there are with everything, so IMO, it all comes down to personal choice. I don't regret not getting it, and I came very close, and the one I almost did was the J&J single shot one which eventually was pulled... 

[Tom2112]

1 hour ago, Sweersa said:

No doubt! As for the vaccine (for covid, not vaccines in general) I felt the amount of pressure coming from individuals, companies, government, etc. was strange, so that is what turned me off. Some places were handing out gift cards if you got it. That is unusual to me. I understand the benefit of it, but there's risks too, as there are with everything, so IMO, it all comes down to personal choice. I don't regret not getting it, and I came very close, and the one I almost did was the J&J single shot one which eventually was pulled... 

Yeah, I would do it differently if I had my time over again. Anyway it is what it is! 

[evilfacelessturtle]

10 hours ago, Sweersa said:

That is correct! You can start your own podcast and run it how you like. He doesn't live in some nanny country where he has to worry about what he talks about.

As my friend would say, it's the internet, man!  Rogan is very light in the God-less abyss of the Internet. 

IDK why it's so hard for yall to understand the difference between government censorship and individuals taking personal responsibility for their actions.

Nobody here is calling for Rogan to be put in jail, they are calling for him to take personal responsibility.

5 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

Ha! OK, back to sleep so, don't worry about it, the grown ups will take it from here pet😄

You're very disrespectful to anyone with a different opinion.

5 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

What does that even mean? But hey, tell us more about how the different scientific opinions on how the Covid-19 virus originated comes from scientists being paid off. More specifically, who paid thousands of Norwegian scientists off?

I'm also waiting...

I'm sure his next comment will elucidate and he won't just run away to another talking point...

5 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

If a democrat led house came to the same conclusion, would you doubt it's authenticity?

"Anyone who disagrees with me is a partisan hack!"

Edited October 30, 2024 by evilfacelessturtle

[evilfacelessturtle]

4 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I remember people here, were more or less saying I was responsible for the deaths of others for not wearing a mask and not getting vaccinated against covid.

"How can people say I bear any responsibility for deaths by deliberately spreading a deadly disease?" I couldn't think of an easier train of logic to follow.

The "Party of Personal Responsibility", folks!

3 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

Largely the same group fighting for (rightly so) 'your body your choice' which is ironic considering they think your right to choose was wrong and should have been mandatory.

You don't get to choose whether my body catches a deadly disease. Harming other people is illegal for a reason.

The "Party of Law and Order", folks!

[downzy]

5 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

That last comment is a little weird to me. If a democrat led house came to the same conclusion, would you doubt it's authenticity?

I would be less suspicious since Democrats don't have a record of producing highly flawed and capricious documents like Republicans do.  

5 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

I think you truly believe he is deliberately pedalling false claims.

I think he allows false information to be platformed on his show.  From RFK Jr to Bret Weinstein to Alex Jones to Dr. Robert Malone to many others, Rogan has a lot of cranks on who rarely get fact checked nor does Rogan have guests on who can refute what the cranks say.

5 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

You just can't be entertaining while also stopping every other sentence to put disclaimers.

And this is the problem.  Is the show meant for entertainment or for education?  Rogan blurs the line and blends the two where people take it seriously enough to believe most of it but not enough to actually spend time with what's actually said.  This dynamic isn't limited to Rogan, but he is the worst offender (in my opinion) and should be held responsible for the consequences of who he chooses to platform (considering how huge his platform is).

[downzy]

2 hours ago, Sweersa said:

IMO, it all comes down to personal choice.

Should speeding limits come down to personal choice?

What about liability insurance?

How about wearing seatbelts?

This notion that personal choice and freedoms should always supersede collective outcomes is absurd.  There are numerous limits on personal freedoms for the sake of others.  

[ZoSoRose]

I was a big Covid nut during 2020. I don’t regret it because things were really bad, then. It was a serious world event. My endgame was a reliable treatment or vaccine. I feel like that happened and now we’re in a much better place. I took tons of precautions and once I got the vaccine, I had no problem going out like normal. 

@Sweersa I was at the Detroit GNR show and had already stopped masking for a while it once it came. To me, it was all about circumstance. Once omicron spread, I took some temporary masking precautions until it was contained again. I’d do the same if god forbid something else came along. 

Edited October 31, 2024 by ZoSoRose

[Sweersa]

1 hour ago, downzy said:

Should speeding limits come down to personal choice?

What about liability insurance?

How about wearing seatbelts?

This notion that personal choice and freedoms should always supersede collective outcomes is absurd.  There are numerous limits on personal freedoms for the sake of others.  

The point you are missing is that limit has a line. 

Everyone forced to wear and outfit NASCAR level safety in vehicles would save a substantial number of lives. 

Forcing people to take one of many rushed vaccines to get a paper so they can freely travel? I don't think so. 

Anyone uncomfortable with the balance leaning heavy towards freedom, even if it means being in an inherently more dangerous environment should leave or vote. 

In short, those who were not comfortable walking out of their homes without a shot and/or mask should have stayed inside while those who run the world, enjoy the world. 

Edited October 31, 2024 by Sweersa

[Tom2112]

1 hour ago, Sweersa said:

The point you are missing is that limit has a line. 

Everyone forced to wear and outfit NASCAR level safety in vehicles would save a substantial number of lives. 

Forcing people to take one of many rushed vaccines to get a paper so they can freely travel? I don't think so. 

Anyone uncomfortable with the balance leaning heavy towards freedom, even if it means being in an inherently more dangerous environment should leave or vote. 

In short, those who were not comfortable walking out of their homes without a shot and/or mask should have stayed inside while those who run the world, enjoy the world. 

I agree, the bully method used to get people to fall in line was not exactly democratic 'Do it or pay the price of not being able to travel, go to concerts, go to cafes/restaurants'. Now, I'm not against mask wearing, I actually wish people had adopted it further so I don't have sick people coughing on me, I also wish the 'if you feel sick stay home' was still essential... so there was good with the bad in all of it.

I don't really know that this was a people who run the world trying to stamp on your freedoms thing though. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt here and saying this freak lab leak accident happens and from that point on they are scrambling, there's huge numbers of deaths so they have no choice but to put restrictions on people. The greater good and all that. But the limit and line is where your personal choice to take an experimental newly developed drug is infringed upon. In Ireland people were basically on board with whatever was necessary get back to normality, right now when you talk about this 9/10 people say they felt pressured and ostracised for simply asking questions and not being sure. And that was largely due to news media and government officials telling you 'take this and you will be fine' which we now know was BS, but they scared everybody enough that most took it. I think it eventually turned into a money making opportunity and that's where the real conspiring took place.

And taking it back to Rogan. He was a large voice that was speaking for all the people being shouted down, so whether his info was right or wrong I give him credit for having scientists on that were not saying the same things we heard every day in the news.

2 hours ago, downzy said:

I would be less suspicious since Democrats don't have a record of producing highly flawed and capricious documents like Republicans do.  

I think he allows false information to be platformed on his show.  From RFK Jr to Bret Weinstein to Alex Jones to Dr. Robert Malone to many others, Rogan has a lot of cranks on who rarely get fact checked nor does Rogan have guests on who can refute what the cranks say.

And this is the problem.  Is the show meant for entertainment or for education?  Rogan blurs the line and blends the two where people take it seriously enough to believe most of it but not enough to actually spend time with what's actually said.  This dynamic isn't limited to Rogan, but he is the worst offender (in my opinion) and should be held responsible for the consequences of who he chooses to platform (considering how huge his platform is).

I don't know Bret Weinstein. RFK Jr has some pretty out there opinions. Alex Jones... I mean the guy is entertaining in a bull in china shop way, but that's as far it goes. Should these people be on? I think so! Like I really don't like Jordan Peterson and his impact on impressionable men and women, but he is popular and people want to hear from him... so of course he should be platformed, whether it offends my personal taste or if it is negatively impacting society. 

What is your suggestion for discussing more important topics then? broadcasting regulation where you have to be vetted to be fit to discuss certain topics? how does it work? I personally think you should be able to say just about anything within reason, I don't believe you need to be an expert on a subject to share your opinion and think it's a slippery slope advocating for restrictions on speech.

[SoulMonster]

12 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I remember people here, were more or less saying I was responsible for the deaths of others for not wearing a mask and not getting vaccinated against covid.

If masks prevent spread of viruses, and they do, then not wearing masks during an epidemic will result in more efficient spread of the disease and hence more sickness (and deaths). It is just logics. Whether that makes you "responsible" is another question. The same can be said about staying at home when you have the flu (or cold) - two other diseases that directly or indirectly kill thousands in the USA every year. Just taking the bus to work on a day when you are feeling a bit under the weather could if we follow this to its gruesome end lead to someone's death. Obviously there must be some cut-off here, some balance between distancing yourself from others when sick and being part of society, being a family person, obligations at work, etc etc. And that cut-off is not necessarily easy to find and I am sure we all overstep at times and expose others when we should have kept a distance.

Here in Norway, one outcome of Covid-19 is that people have become better at staying home when they are sick. We used to go to work even when coughing and feeling bad, now we do that less. 

[SoulMonster]

6 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Forcing people to take one of many rushed vaccines to get a paper so they can freely travel? I don't think so. 

You think the reason people were asked to get vaccinated was so they could travel freely? Really? 

The reason people were urged to get vaccinated was that the vaccines had been proven to reduce the consequences of getting Covid-19. 

If you want to read about how the vaccines saved lives, you can check this out: COVID-19 vaccines have saved 20 million lives so far, study estimates

[HOOSIER GUNZ]

Looks like JDV’s sit down with Joe is up already

[evilfacelessturtle]

22 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Forcing people to take one of many rushed vaccines to get a paper so they can freely travel? I don't think so. 

Wait a minute, I thought that the right to control the flow of people entering a country was one of the most critical foundations of a nation? Or else "you're not going to have a country anymore"!

Trump used Covid as an excuse to turn away migrants. Where was the outrage over that?

Crickets yet again...

22 hours ago, Sweersa said:

In short, those who were not comfortable walking out of their homes without a shot and/or mask should have stayed inside while those who run the world, enjoy the world. 

"Look, if the Yankees don't want us to break their kneecaps, they can just sit out the game and let the rest of us enjoy the sport how we want to."

Not even the most basic clue of how a society works. Classic rightist moment.

Edited October 31, 2024 by evilfacelessturtle

[Sweersa]

12 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

Wait a minute, I thought that the right to control the flow of people entering a country was one of the most critical foundations of a nation? Or else "you're not going to have a country anymore"!

Borders are important, as is keeping undesirables out. Look at Europe, and their crime stats as it relates to immigrants. It will be interesting (and probably unfortunate) to revisit this topic decades from now. 

[D..]

On 10/30/2024 at 8:54 PM, Tom2112 said:

Largely the same group fighting for (rightly so) 'your body your choice' which is ironic considering they think your right to choose was wrong and should have been mandatory.

I took the vaccine, got boosters, isolated and wore my mask. Only thing I regret was taking the vaccine, which i won't get into because i'll just get shouted down. Anyway, you're always going to run into people with differing opinions, some you can talk to others are just so moronic you have to put them on ignore both in real life and online.

I think it's brave of you to say you regret taking the vaccine. It's still to this day a very divisive topic.

My father died a year ago, from a turbo cancer. It has been a nightmare. He took the vaccine and the 2 boosters, then he developed something called sarcoma, beneath his right thigh. I had never heard of this disease, nor did my father, and it's a case where chemotherapy can only help slowing the disease from spreading but can't stop it. There's no cure for it. When my father died, the medic that recorded his death told us after consulting his medical history that it was almost certainly because of the covid vaccine. Sarcoma was extremely rare before those shots, but there's been a huge rise of those sarcoma cases after the shots, according to him, along with other very rare diseases that aren't as rare as they used to.

When I told this medic he should go on TV to talk about it, he told me wouldn't because he would be demonized and could lose his job, and since he was 60 he was almost done and wanted a quiet life with his grandchildren. That's the sad situation we live in.

But even on the internet, it's complicated to talk to some people, they just can't accept they've been lied to.

We've been fed a lot of disinformation over the last few years, from all sides, and it's very difficult to navigate through all of the BS.

I find it especially difficult if you're an american citizen, both parties and both candidates suck. And they're both surrounded by batsh** lunatics. None of them are here to help you.

But the situation isn't much better in France. Our only solution is to manage ourselves and survive the best we can, pick the right informations by reading basically everything, and inform the people we care about.

 

 

 

[Sweersa]

1 hour ago, D.. said:

I think it's brave of you to say you regret taking the vaccine. It's still to this day a very divisive topic.

My father died a year ago, from a turbo cancer. It has been a nightmare. He took the vaccine and the 2 boosters, then he developed something called sarcoma, beneath his right thigh. I had never heard of this disease, nor did my father, and it's a case where chemotherapy can only help slowing the disease from spreading but can't stop it. There's no cure for it. When my father died, the medic that recorded his death told us after consulting his medical history that it was almost certainly because of the covid vaccine. Sarcoma was extremely rare before those shots, but there's been a huge rise of those sarcoma cases after the shots, according to him, along with other very rare diseases that aren't as rare as they used to.

When I told this medic he should go on TV to talk about it, he told me wouldn't because he would be demonized and could lose his job, and since he was 60 he was almost done and wanted a quiet life with his grandchildren. That's the sad situation we live in.

But even on the internet, it's complicated to talk to some people, they just can't accept they've been lied to.

We've been fed a lot of disinformation over the last few years, from all sides, and it's very difficult to navigate through all of the BS.

I find it especially difficult if you're an american citizen, both parties and both candidates suck. And they're both surrounded by batsh** lunatics. None of them are here to help you.

But the situation isn't much better in France. Our only solution is to manage ourselves and survive the best we can, pick the right informations by reading basically everything, and inform the people we care about.

 

 

 

I am sorry to hear of the loss of your father to such a terrible disease.

I dated a woman who's father was dying from sarcoma. This was a few years before covid. I was able to meet him before he passed months later.

It is my understanding covid was and is especially bad for those who are overweight or worse. You would think some of the money/effort/resources used to push the vaccines could have been directed to try to encourage folks to eat and live a little more healthy lifestyles to try to keep weight down to increase their chances of surviving covid, should they get it. The only person I knew personally who died of covid was vaccinated, and I realize that's a small pool of people in my social/work/family life. (Around 1,000 would be a rough estimate) 

[SoulMonster]

2 hours ago, D.. said:

I think it's brave of you to say you regret taking the vaccine. It's still to this day a very divisive topic.

My father died a year ago, from a turbo cancer. It has been a nightmare. He took the vaccine and the 2 boosters, then he developed something called sarcoma, beneath his right thigh. I had never heard of this disease, nor did my father, and it's a case where chemotherapy can only help slowing the disease from spreading but can't stop it. There's no cure for it. When my father died, the medic that recorded his death told us after consulting his medical history that it was almost certainly because of the covid vaccine. Sarcoma was extremely rare before those shots, but there's been a huge rise of those sarcoma cases after the shots, according to him, along with other very rare diseases that aren't as rare as they used to.

When I told this medic he should go on TV to talk about it, he told me wouldn't because he would be demonized and could lose his job, and since he was 60 he was almost done and wanted a quiet life with his grandchildren. That's the sad situation we live in.

But even on the internet, it's complicated to talk to some people, they just can't accept they've been lied to.

We've been fed a lot of disinformation over the last few years, from all sides, and it's very difficult to navigate through all of the BS.

I find it especially difficult if you're an american citizen, both parties and both candidates suck. And they're both surrounded by batsh** lunatics. None of them are here to help you.

But the situation isn't much better in France. Our only solution is to manage ourselves and survive the best we can, pick the right informations by reading basically everything, and inform the people we care about.

Sorry to hear about your dad. 

As for sarcomas and Covid-19: no increased frequency of sarcoma as a result of Covid-19 vaccination has been observed. Why your doctor would indicate otherwise is beyond me. Obviously, if a doctor went public and claimed a correlation between sarcoma incident and Covid-19 vaccination without any proof, then he would and should risk losing his job. Doctors are not supposed to act on beliefs and hunches, but on actual evidence. Reporting actual correlation and causality between vaccines and adverse effects does not lead to doctors losing their jobs, it is what they are supposed to do and one can result in medicines being taken off the market (which was the case with the AstraZenica vaccine that could cause thrombosis - it got retracted and no doctors lost their jobs).

What has been observed, also in France, though, is a reduced frequency of sarcoma consultation (possibly due to social distancing) resulting in more death from sarcomas. So indirectly, Covid-19 led to more sarcoma deaths, but through people visiting their doctors less frequently and not due to the vaccines. 

For more infomation:
Impact of COVID-19 pandemic on bone and soft tissue sarcoma patients’ consultation and diagnosis | Scientific Reports
For France specifically: Impact of the coronavirus disease 2019 pandemic on sarcoma management in France: a 2019 and 2020 comparison - PMC

[evilfacelessturtle]

9 hours ago, Sweersa said:

Borders are important, as is keeping undesirables out. Look at Europe, and their crime stats as it relates to immigrants. It will be interesting (and probably unfortunate) to revisit this topic decades from now. 

"Undesirables"... jesus christ.

Okay, let's look at Europe:

"Most studies fail to show any causal effect of immigration on overall crime rates.[2][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22] A 2015 study found that the increase in immigration flows into western European countries that took place in the 2000s did "not affect crime victimization, but it is associated with an increase in the fear of crime, the latter being consistently and positively correlated with the natives' unfavourable attitude toward immigrants."[15] In a survey of the existing economic literature on immigration and crime, one economist describes the existing literature in 2014 as showing that "the results for Europe are mixed for property crime but no association is found for violent crime".[51]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#Europe

Were you actually looking at Europe, or just what right wing media tells you about Europe?

I'm sure you'll either ignore this or come back with gruesome individual anecdotes, as is tradition on the right.

[evilfacelessturtle]

3 hours ago, D.. said:

When I told this medic he should go on TV to talk about it, he told me wouldn't because he would be demonized and could lose his job, and since he was 60 he was almost done and wanted a quiet life with his grandchildren. That's the sad situation we live in.

I just found three studies on this exact situation with only a quick google search. To say there's some kind of cover-up going on here is just incorrect.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924926/

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10184721/

https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/oncology/articles/10.3389/fonc.2023.1269735/full

Going on TV would do nothing to help and only scare people away because of an incredibly rare side effect that doesn't even have a causal link proven yet.

Edited November 1, 2024 by evilfacelessturtle

[downzy]

On 10/30/2024 at 11:04 PM, Tom2112 said:

RFK Jr has some pretty out there opinions

Like his views on vaccines that helped contribute to children dying?

On 10/30/2024 at 11:04 PM, Tom2112 said:

Should these people be on? I think so! Like I really don't like Jordan Peterson and his impact on impressionable men and women, but he is popular and people want to hear from him

He's popular partly because he was platformed by Rogan.

And popularity should be the basis of whether someone is a guest?  Really?

On 10/30/2024 at 11:04 PM, Tom2112 said:

whether it offends my personal taste or if it is negatively impacting society. 

You understand the issue isn't whether these people "offend" or not, but whether they spew bullshit and promote dangerous ideas that lead to real world, life and death consequences, right?

On 10/30/2024 at 11:04 PM, Tom2112 said:

What is your suggestion for discussing more important topics then? broadcasting regulation where you have to be vetted to be fit to discuss certain topics? how does it work? I personally think you should be able to say just about anything within reason, I don't believe you need to be an expert on a subject to share your opinion and think it's a slippery slope advocating for restrictions on speech.

Again, you're not understanding the argument I'm making.

At no point am I saying that Rogan and his guests shouldn't be free to do what they want, but they aren't free from being called out for it.  I would never deny Rogan from hosting his show or having whoever he wants.  But he's not free from criticism for his choices and how he operates his show.  

You don't need to be an expert to share your opinion.  But since Rogan isn't an expert on anything outside of comedy and UFC, he's free to be criticized for giving voice to some of the most dangerous and idiotic people on the planet without showing the slightest concern for any consequences that may come from his program.  He's a net negative making this world better, and the people who listen to him are not being "informed" but placated for the purposes of justifying his $250 million deal.  It's a grift treated as a serious source of opinions when it's anything but. 

[Tom2112]

31 minutes ago, downzy said:

Like his views on vaccines that helped contribute to children dying?

He's popular partly because he was platformed by Rogan.

And popularity should be the basis of whether someone is a guest?  Really?

You understand the issue isn't whether these people "offend" or not, but whether they spew bullshit and promote dangerous ideas that lead to real world, life and death consequences, right?

Again, you're not understanding the argument I'm making.

At no point am I saying that Rogan and his guests shouldn't be free to do what they want, but they aren't free from being called out for it.  I would never deny Rogan from hosting his show or having whoever he wants.  But he's not free from criticism for his choices and how he operates his show.  

You don't need to be an expert to share your opinion.  But since Rogan isn't an expert on anything outside of comedy and UFC, he's free to be criticized for giving voice to some of the most dangerous and idiotic people on the planet without showing the slightest concern for any consequences that may come from his program.  He's a net negative making this world better, and the people who listen to him are not being "informed" but placated for the purposes of justifying his $250 million deal.  It's a grift treated as a serious source of opinions when it's anything but. 

You see that's a horseshit argument. There was huge pressure from people like you to have Rogan deplatformed because of the things he was talking about. That's not criticism, that's censorship. So yes, I agree you should criticise if you don't like it but beyond that? 

As for RFK Jr, I don't know what he said that is a direct link to children dying? Are we seriously blaming him for the deaths of children? This is a crazy argument! Outside of RFK Jr being in government and saying "this life saving medicine is banned" or him owning a drug and deciding to rase the price to a prohibitive level and then people died, that's the only way you can seriously say he's to blame. Did he say something and share his strong opinion? OK, but somebody listened to him and decided for themselves to risk their child's wellbeing. That is a parent issue. Personal responsibility is the underlying indisputable point here. I'm not defending whatever he said though, it could well have been terrible advice I would need to see/hear what he said... but I generally try and avoid RFK Jr related content.

[Tom2112]

7 hours ago, D.. said:

I think it's brave of you to say you regret taking the vaccine. It's still to this day a very divisive topic.

My father died a year ago, from a turbo cancer. It has been a nightmare. He took the vaccine and the 2 boosters, then he developed something called sarcoma, beneath his right thigh. I had never heard of this disease, nor did my father, and it's a case where chemotherapy can only help slowing the disease from spreading but can't stop it. There's no cure for it. When my father died, the medic that recorded his death told us after consulting his medical history that it was almost certainly because of the covid vaccine. Sarcoma was extremely rare before those shots, but there's been a huge rise of those sarcoma cases after the shots, according to him, along with other very rare diseases that aren't as rare as they used to.

When I told this medic he should go on TV to talk about it, he told me wouldn't because he would be demonized and could lose his job, and since he was 60 he was almost done and wanted a quiet life with his grandchildren. That's the sad situation we live in.

But even on the internet, it's complicated to talk to some people, they just can't accept they've been lied to.

We've been fed a lot of disinformation over the last few years, from all sides, and it's very difficult to navigate through all of the BS.

I find it especially difficult if you're an american citizen, both parties and both candidates suck. And they're both surrounded by batsh** lunatics. None of them are here to help you.

But the situation isn't much better in France. Our only solution is to manage ourselves and survive the best we can, pick the right informations by reading basically everything, and inform the people we care about.

 

 

 

Really sorry to hear that! 

And the sad thing is there's more stories like yours. Young healthy, no underlying issues took the vaccine and 3 days later they were dead. Unfortunately with any vaccine there's going to be a certain number of people that react badly to it, but that doesn't make it any easier to accept when happens to you or your loved ones. 

Completely agree with both sides being out for themselves and not looking to help anyone, it's just election talk. It's the same no matter where you live. Difference with America is that it's more of a circus and people are so wrapped up watching hours of manipulative news that they are absolutely unhinged. You don't get that in Ireland, passionate about parties sure, but there's not multiple attempts on politician lives etc.

[Sweersa]

13 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

"Undesirables"... jesus christ.

Okay, let's look at Europe:

"Most studies fail to show any causal effect of immigration on overall crime rates.[2][14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22] A 2015 study found that the increase in immigration flows into western European countries that took place in the 2000s did "not affect crime victimization, but it is associated with an increase in the fear of crime, the latter being consistently and positively correlated with the natives' unfavourable attitude toward immigrants."[15] In a survey of the existing economic literature on immigration and crime, one economist describes the existing literature in 2014 as showing that "the results for Europe are mixed for property crime but no association is found for violent crime".[51]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime#Europe

Were you actually looking at Europe, or just what right wing media tells you about Europe?

I'm sure you'll either ignore this or come back with gruesome individual anecdotes, as is tradition on the right.

I have friends in Europe who keep me informed. The one in Eastern Europe has been handling immigrants directly in very effective ways. So effective, I can’t share any more 😉 

[downzy]

12 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

There was huge pressure from people like you to have Rogan deplatformed because of the things he was talking about.

"People like me..."

Please point to anything I've said or written where I called for Rogan to be deplatformed.  I'll wait.

12 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

As for RFK Jr, I don't know what he said that is a direct link to children dying? Are we seriously blaming him for the deaths of children?

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/rfk-jr-says-trump-has-promised-him-control-of-public-health-agencies

https://apnews.com/article/rfk-kennedy-election-vaccines-2ccde2df146f57b5e8c26e8494f0a16a

 

[Tom2112]

1 hour ago, downzy said:

"People like me..."

Please point to anything I've said or written where I called for Rogan to be deplatformed.  I'll wait.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/rfk-jr-says-trump-has-promised-him-control-of-public-health-agencies

https://apnews.com/article/rfk-kennedy-election-vaccines-2ccde2df146f57b5e8c26e8494f0a16a

 

Everything you say is word for word, what all the people calling for Spotify to fire him were saying. Maybe you're the exception, I don't think you'd object if they had decided to fire him, maybe I'm wrong... I'm not convinced you're as cool with it as you're suggesting though.

Ok, well if the above links are accurate representations of what he said and done, of course he shouldn't have control of health in the new Trump office. Again, he wasn't in government, he was writing a piece for RS (who takes medical advice from RS???), and expressing his opinions which we all know could be false (for any number of reasons), so the parent has to bear the responsibility. I'll need to look into this further though. Who owns Vanity fair/Apnews, what is their political leaning on a quick check both of which are left leaning media sources... that however doesn't mean the information is false though. Anyway we can circle back to RFK Jr

Edited November 2, 2024 by Tom2112