The JRE

[Tom2112]

5 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I have friends in Europe who keep me informed. The one in Eastern Europe has been handling immigrants directly in very effective ways. So effective, I can’t share any more 😉 

I don't know about this, I'd quickly unfriend that person from the sounds of things, without going into it the suggestion seems to be illegal. No room for anti-immigrant abuses. It's one of the things I dislike most about Trumps campaign. There is a moral and legal way to deal with immigrants illegally gaining entry to countries. It's a really slippery slope using fear as your weapon against it and soon enough you have morons on public transport shouting at every person with a different colour skin to go back to where their from, or burning down accommodation and doing much worse.  

[downzy]

13 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Everything you say is word for word, what all the people calling for Spotify to fire him were saying. Maybe you're the exception, I don't think you'd object if they had decided to fire him, maybe I'm wrong... I'm not convinced you're as cool with it as you're suggesting though.

I would have been fine with Rogan being fired by Spotify for his stance on vaccines or any other position.  Because Spotify is a private company and it's free to decide who it wants to hire and employ.  Where I would draw the line is with people calling for Rogan to lose his show or be prevented from speaking his opinion.  That would not be fine.  But not being employed by Spotify wouldn't have prevented him from doing his show. 

13 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

Ok, well if the above links are accurate representations of what he said and done, of course he shouldn't have control of health in the new Trump office. Again, he wasn't in government, he was writing a piece for RS (who takes medical advice from RS???), and expressing his opinions which we all know could be false (for any number of reasons), so the parent has to bear the responsibility. I'll need to look into this further though. Who owns Vanity fair/Apnews, what is their political leaning on a quick check both of which are left leaning media sources... that however doesn't mean the information is false though. Anyway we can circle back to RFK Jr

You claimed RFK Jr. has some good opinions and should be listened to.  But you don't make clear what opinions are worth considering.  His views on vaccines and overall health are horrendous and have been proven false time and time again.  And yet Rogan continues to have him on.  And sorry, but if he's openly soliciting and advising public officials over a policy that later proves deadly, he bears some responsibility.  To put it all on parents is absurd. 

[D..]

20 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Sorry to hear about your dad. 

As for sarcomas and Covid-19: no increased frequency of sarcoma as a result of Covid-19 vaccination has been observed. Why your doctor would indicate otherwise is beyond me. Obviously, if a doctor went public and claimed a correlation between sarcoma incident and Covid-19 vaccination without any proof, then he would and should risk losing his job. Doctors are not supposed to act on beliefs and hunches, but on actual evidence. Reporting actual correlation and causality between vaccines and adverse effects does not lead to doctors losing their jobs, it is what they are supposed to do and one can result in medicines being taken off the market (which was the case with the AstraZenica vaccine that could cause thrombosis - it got retracted and no doctors lost their jobs).

What has been observed, also in France, though, is a reduced frequency of sarcoma consultation (possibly due to social distancing) resulting in more death from sarcomas. So indirectly, Covid-19 led to more sarcoma deaths, but through people visiting their doctors less frequently and not due to the vaccines. 

For more infomation:
Impact of COVID-19 pandemic on bone and soft tissue sarcoma patients’ consultation and diagnosis | Scientific Reports
For France specifically: Impact of the coronavirus disease 2019 pandemic on sarcoma management in France: a 2019 and 2020 comparison - PMC

Thanks to you and the other posters about my father, always appreciated.

A lot to answer with this post. According to this doctor, he & colleagues of his had observed a very significant rise of sarcoma cases from 2022 til late 2023, so the timeline was matching with the covid vaccines. I was shocked when he told us this because none of us in my family mentioned him the vaccine. He was not some kind of crazy doctor, just a very good reasonable doctor.

I don't know whether serious unbiased studies will come out at some point on this particular disease & a correlation with vaccines as the whole thing has been shrouded with misinformation from the start, way before vaccines, back to Wuhan in late 2019. In France, we were told we would be quarantined just days before we were actually quarantined in March 2020, when every single person in our government was downplaying the virus situation in Wuhan. They went as far as telling us "don't worry, we have put posters in airports, no need to close borders" two weeks before. It was insane.

Our government has lied to us time & again from 2020 to 2022.

You mentioned the AstraZeneca vaccine. Of course doctors didn't lose their jobs, because every single doctor that came on TV in France told us it was extremely efficient, exactly on par with Pfizer and others, extremely safe, even when there was a huge rise with myocarditis cases and young healthy people dying. Even 2 DAYS before that vaccine was retracted, a doctor came to defend the vaccine on channel C8, telling us all it was safe. There was no brave doctor to tell us the truth. Just none. They all sold out and were under pressure.

Another of their numerous lies has been about the vaccine that was supposedly very efficient against transmission, when it was absolutely not and known by September 2021, hence invalidating the mandates. They already knew by september 2021 and still went on with the mandates, forcing everyone that had a job. They also lied initially about Omicron that basically killed no one under 60 in France, but doctors in mainstream medias told us how it was a terrible variant, until weeks later it was absolutely clear it was basically nothing if you were under age 60.

I doubt the whole truth will be ever known. People just want to get back on a normal life, which I understand, but all the corrupt people whether they work in governments or labs won't be judged. There's just too much money at stake, and of course there are brands & lobbies to protect. But more than that, it's also a battle to protect science at all costs, no matter how many scientists & doctors sold out.

Because of this misinformation by people we used to trust, a lot of people have lost their trust in science alltogether and follow the worst crazy conspiracies online. As for the other group, they blindly follow everything they're told, as long as it's from someone "official". It's very hard to stay in the middle and keep a critical sense.

Another thing with sarcomas, there are different cases, but my father had it all, he consulted, did radiotherapy for 6 months, then surgery to remove it, then chemotherapy, but none of this saved him sadly. It was just to slow down the metastasis progression, it was a case of turbo cancer as my father's oncologist described. With that kind of sarcoma he had, it's not something they can cure. The oncologist even described a case where a man had his entire leg amputated, but the metastasis still found their way to the lungs. It's a nightmare.

 

 

[evilfacelessturtle]

8 hours ago, Sweersa said:

I have friends in Europe who keep me informed. The one in Eastern Europe has been handling immigrants directly in very effective ways. So effective, I can’t share any more 😉 

Called it, anecdote.

"I have friends who say the sky is green. Why would I listen to scientists?"

More proof that the right cheers on violence with a wink and a nod. I'd have more respect if they would just man up and admit they're fascists. Enough with the cowardice.

[evilfacelessturtle]

17 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

There was huge pressure from people like you to have Rogan deplatformed because of the things he was talking about. That's not criticism, that's censorship.

Am I being censored because FOX won't allow me on their airwaves to give my opinions? Deplatforming is not censorship.

And we might give some credibility to the people whining about "censorship" if they actually spoke out against left wingers being deplatformed as well. But they never do. It's entirely about defending the right from consequences for their extremism.

Where was Tim Pool on this?

Tenured Jewish Professor Says She’s Been Fired for Pro-Palestinian Speech

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/faculty-issues/academic-freedom/2024/09/27/tenured-jewish-prof-says-shes-fired-pro-palestine#:~:text=Muhlenberg fired Finkelstein in May,job over pro-Palestine speech.

Where was Jordan Peterson on this?

Texas teacher fired for showing Anne Frank graphic novel to eighth-graders

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/20/texas-teacher-fired-anne-frank-book-ban

Where was Ben Shapiro on this?

Data shows a surprising campus free speech problem: left-wingers being fired for their opinions

"Princeton professor Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor’s commencement speech being canceled after receiving death threats for criticizing President Donald Trump and the president of Sonoma State University apologizing for allowing a black student to read a poem critical of police violence at commencement."

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/8/3/17644180/political-correctness-free-speech-liberal-data-georgetown

3 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

who takes medical advice from RS???

Peoples' opinions are shaped by the media they take in. This is common sense. Millions of Americans have been convinced to engage in dangerous "alternative health" treatments through social media and alternative media outlets. Are you seriously going to debate this obvious fact?

'Alternative' cancer treatments linked with 250% higher risk of death, study finds

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2018/10/12/alternative-medicine

"A little more than half (54%) [of Americans] at least sometimes get news from social media, and 27% say the same about podcasts."

https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/fact-sheet/news-platform-fact-sheet/#:~:text=News across digital platforms,-There are several&text=A little more than half,most preferred source for news.

3 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

Who owns Vanity fair/Apnews, what is their political leaning on a quick check both of which are left leaning media sources... 

I would love to know where you supposedly found that AP News is left leaning. That's a perfect example of the right calling even the most unbiased sources "left wing".

[evilfacelessturtle]

55 minutes ago, D.. said:

In France, we were told we would be quarantined just days before we were actually quarantined in March 2020, when every single person in our government was downplaying the virus situation in Wuhan. They went as far as telling us "don't worry, we have put posters in airports, no need to close borders" two weeks before. It was insane.

Our government has lied to us time & again from 2020 to 2022.

This post is a shining example of how effective the kind of lies Rogan pushed about covid were. You've been convinced by liars that "it was actually the government who lied"!

The fact that some people speculated that a quarantine would be necessary before it happened is not evidence of a conspiracy, it's common sense. Outbreaks often get worse, what a stunning prediction! Likewise, the fact that other people did not expect it to be that bad is not evidence of a conspiracy, and it proves that you're arguing from both sides of your mouth; if they downplayed it, that's suspicious, and if they suggested it could lead to quarantine, that'ts also suspicious! Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

The fact that they couldn't perfectly predict the future is not a "lie". We didn't even know if it was an airborne disease at first. I bet you think that was a conspiracy, too.

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You mentioned the AstraZeneca vaccine. Of course doctors didn't lose their jobs, because every single doctor that came on TV in France told us it was extremely efficient, exactly on par with Pfizer and others, extremely safe, even when there was a huge rise with myocarditis cases and young healthy people dying. Even 2 DAYS before that vaccine was retracted, a doctor came to defend the vaccine on channel C8, telling us all it was safe. There was no brave doctor to tell us the truth. Just none. They all sold out and were under pressure.

Every single doctor? Then I'm sure you'll be able to find us a single video of a doctor unequivocally saying that specific vaccine was "exactly on par" with the others. I'll wait...

The Astrazeneca vaccine was not withdrawn because it was unsafe, that is a LIE. Funny how the people who push the most lies are the most invested in telling us that the government is lying...

Posts Claim Falsely That AstraZeneca Is Withdrawing Its COVID Vaccine Because of Blood Clots

https://www.yahoo.com/news/posts-claim-falsely-astrazeneca-withdrawing-151427505.html

If there was a conspiracy, why was the Johnson & Johnson vaccine recalled? The fact that it was recalled blows your conspiracy to smithereens. As soon as an issue is identified and proven to be linked by scientific study, they take action. You are complaining because they don't pull vaccines based on the anecdotes you've read on social media without any actual causal link proven.

Christ, this myocarditis bullshit again? Myocarditis was caused BY COVID, not vaccines:

"The analysis showed people infected with COVID-19 before receiving a vaccine were 11 times more at risk for developing myocarditis within 28 days of testing positive for the virus. But that risk was cut in half if a person was infected after receiving at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine."

And no, there has not been a "huge rise" in myocarditis. It is incredibly rare, as always.

‘Died suddenly’ posts twist tragedies to push vaccine lies

https://apnews.com/article/vaccine-died-suddenly-misinformation-a8e3a80a015ba9bf78b6bd4f3c271f58

1 hour ago, D.. said:

Another of their numerous lies has been about the vaccine that was supposedly very efficient against transmission, when it was absolutely not and known by September 2021, hence invalidating the mandates.

You're lying again. Notice how he keep referring to "they said this early on" but never offers an actual example of it?

I can keep linking to actual doctors and scientists from that time explaining the nuanced reality, but y'all never fucking read them...

https://www.fredhutch.org/en/news/center-news/2020/12/covid-19-vaccines-transmission.html

https://www.aamc.org/news/6-myths-about-covid-19-vaccines-debunked

"The experts are saying that the vaccines do not reduce transmission, but that is an inaccurate statement,” Gandhi says. “Vaccines have always decreased transmission. What they should be saying is that the clinical trials were not designed to test for asymptomatic infection, but there is every biological reason in the world to believe that they will reduce asymptomatic transmission."

1 hour ago, D.. said:

They also lied initially about Omicron that basically killed no one under 60 in France, but doctors in mainstream medias told us how it was a terrible variant, until weeks later it was absolutely clear it was basically nothing if you were under age 60.

So no one over 60 is worth living? Listen to yourself, jesus christ.

Funny how all of these supposed "lies" can never actually be linked to a source...

1 hour ago, D.. said:

There's just too much money at stake, and of course there are brands & lobbies to protect.

And of course, there is no money in alternative medicine and alternative media. Funny how the analysis only goes one direction.

[Sweersa]

19 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

I don't know about this, I'd quickly unfriend that person from the sounds of things, without going into it the suggestion seems to be illegal. No room for anti-immigrant abuses. It's one of the things I dislike most about Trumps campaign. There is a moral and legal way to deal with immigrants illegally gaining entry to countries. It's a really slippery slope using fear as your weapon against it and soon enough you have morons on public transport shouting at every person with a different colour skin to go back to where their from, or burning down accommodation and doing much worse.  

I believe their process is legal in his country. Eastern Europe can be one hell of a place. 

[SoulMonster]

18 hours ago, D.. said:

Thanks to you and the other posters about my father, always appreciated.

A lot to answer with this post. According to this doctor, he & colleagues of his had observed a very significant rise of sarcoma cases from 2022 til late 2023, so the timeline was matching with the covid vaccines. I was shocked when he told us this because none of us in my family mentioned him the vaccine. He was not some kind of crazy doctor, just a very good reasonable doctor.

I don't know whether serious unbiased studies will come out at some point on this particular disease & a correlation with vaccines as the whole thing has been shrouded with misinformation from the start, way before vaccines, back to Wuhan in late 2019. In France, we were told we would be quarantined just days before we were actually quarantined in March 2020, when every single person in our government was downplaying the virus situation in Wuhan. They went as far as telling us "don't worry, we have put posters in airports, no need to close borders" two weeks before. It was insane.

Our government has lied to us time & again from 2020 to 2022.

You mentioned the AstraZeneca vaccine. Of course doctors didn't lose their jobs, because every single doctor that came on TV in France told us it was extremely efficient, exactly on par with Pfizer and others, extremely safe, even when there was a huge rise with myocarditis cases and young healthy people dying. Even 2 DAYS before that vaccine was retracted, a doctor came to defend the vaccine on channel C8, telling us all it was safe. There was no brave doctor to tell us the truth. Just none. They all sold out and were under pressure.

Another of their numerous lies has been about the vaccine that was supposedly very efficient against transmission, when it was absolutely not and known by September 2021, hence invalidating the mandates. They already knew by september 2021 and still went on with the mandates, forcing everyone that had a job. They also lied initially about Omicron that basically killed no one under 60 in France, but doctors in mainstream medias told us how it was a terrible variant, until weeks later it was absolutely clear it was basically nothing if you were under age 60.

I doubt the whole truth will be ever known. People just want to get back on a normal life, which I understand, but all the corrupt people whether they work in governments or labs won't be judged. There's just too much money at stake, and of course there are brands & lobbies to protect. But more than that, it's also a battle to protect science at all costs, no matter how many scientists & doctors sold out.

Because of this misinformation by people we used to trust, a lot of people have lost their trust in science alltogether and follow the worst crazy conspiracies online. As for the other group, they blindly follow everything they're told, as long as it's from someone "official". It's very hard to stay in the middle and keep a critical sense.

Another thing with sarcomas, there are different cases, but my father had it all, he consulted, did radiotherapy for 6 months, then surgery to remove it, then chemotherapy, but none of this saved him sadly. It was just to slow down the metastasis progression, it was a case of turbo cancer as my father's oncologist described. With that kind of sarcoma he had, it's not something they can cure. The oncologist even described a case where a man had his entire leg amputated, but the metastasis still found their way to the lungs. It's a nightmare.

I lost my dad, too, under Covid-19 from complications due to his Parkinson's. It was surreal to be at the funeral and only close family could attend. 

Anyway, I don't think people are losing trust in science. It is not that they are going to refuse to board a plane created with science and insist on alternatives, like planes made using revelation and prophecies or just guesswork. Or refuse to use their computer because it was made with science, and insist on equipment made with non-evidence based, irrational processes. To comment on this a bit whimsically

More seriously, your problem isn't so much with science as with communication, I think. You believe you were lied to. I don't think you were. Of course, at the start of the epidemic there was a lot of confusion and uncertainties, and some comments and opinions in the media were plainly wrong. Just think of Trump suggesting people use chlorine. But for most part, the advise given were correct, and what was wrong is better ascribed to people simply being wrong than people trying to deceive.

As for the science bit of the vaccines. When a new drug is approved it has been tested for efficacy and safety in clinical testing. This means that it has been shown to work and we know a lot about the side effects, resulting in regulatory authorities approving it for use under certain criteria (typically for specific diseases and specific patients). Side effects are entirely normal and you have to make a cost-benefit analysis for each disease to be treated (the indication). With vaccines intended to provide resistance to a disease in healthy people, there is a very low tolerance for side effects; whereas for a drug intended to fight a deadly disease where no other options exist, more side effects are acceptable. The problem with drug testing is that we are so different. A drug that works well in me might not work well in you. So unless you have been part of the clinical testing, you can't be 100% sure it will work in you before you get it. To offset this uncertainty a drug is tested on many people, as diverse as possible. You would like to include young and old, biological women and men, pregnant and not, off all ethnicities. Obviously, this is difficult. With the Covid-19 vaccines about 30k people were included in the studies, and this is a lot more than for most drugs. Again, vaccines have to be tested thoroughly since they will go into healthy people. But what does it help if you test on 30,000 people if it is causes some severe adverse effect in one out of 100,000? Or 1 in a million? It might not be picked up in the clinical tests. Hence, when a drug is approved it doesn't mean we are 100% certain it will work or be safe for everybody, far from it, we only know how it behaved in the number of patients included in the clinical trials. Hence, post-approval monitoring of a drug is a critical process and it is not uncommon that a drug is taken off the market (usually because it doesn't work as well as it should and not because of any side effects). This is of course why antivaxxers referred to the Covid-19 vaccines as "experimental" and that everybody stupid enough to get vaccinated were part of the largest scientific study ever. Again, these vaccines were more thoroughly tested than most drugs, and as they were rolled out, and side effects were confirmed to be very rare even when administrated in billions (!) of doses, it was clear how incredibly safe they were.

Still, that doesn't mean they can't cause adverse effects in some patient groups on a rase basis. I am sure your doctor is a good human being who wants the best and he might be right that sarcomas is a very rare occurrence with Covid-19 vaccines, but science work through evidence and if it isn't possible to gather data supporting his hypothesis, then the occurrence is probably not statistically significant. And as a doctor one would like to think he knows that if it is so rare that it hasn't been picked up in pre- or post-approval monitoring, then the likelihood of it happening is incredibly small and that he should be very careful about spreading fear around something that is as safe as any drug.

Furthermore, there seems to be a bit confusion about the independence of doctors and scientists in this thread. Trust me, regardless of whether you take a bleak, conspiratorial outlook on the world in general, scientists are typically driven by a desire to expand our knowledge and is willing to work long hours for pennies to publish new results. And they do work largely independently. That the world's scientists could be easily bought off, or pressured, to not publish data that indicating some issue with vaccines, is almost comical to someone very familiar with scientists and how science happens globally today. There are plenty of idealists in that profession. And just try to imagine the logistics of pressuring scientists in China, Japan, Sweden, Canada, Spain, New Zealand, thousands of them, tens of thousands, to not publish data they might have that would instantly give them honor and prestige in scientific circles where the currency is knowledge not cash.

Edited November 3 by SoulMonster
Or was it hydroperoxide?

[evilfacelessturtle]

Some people in this thread really need to listen to their elders. Once you've seen through a lie, there's no going back.

 

[Tom2112]

On 11/2/2024 at 5:12 PM, downzy said:

I would have been fine with Rogan being fired by Spotify for his stance on vaccines or any other position.  Because Spotify is a private company and it's free to decide who it wants to hire and employ.  Where I would draw the line is with people calling for Rogan to lose his show or be prevented from speaking his opinion.  That would not be fine.  But not being employed by Spotify wouldn't have prevented him from doing his show. 

You claimed RFK Jr. has some good opinions and should be listened to.  But you don't make clear what opinions are worth considering.  His views on vaccines and overall health are horrendous and have been proven false time and time again.  And yet Rogan continues to have him on.  And sorry, but if he's openly soliciting and advising public officials over a policy that later proves deadly, he bears some responsibility.  To put it all on parents is absurd. 

I never said I he had good opinions, I said he was out there. Maybe  he might have some opinions that are somewhat reasonable but I don't follow him whoch i was VERY clear about, now you are suggesting i'm actuallya fan of his, get a grip. You can make up stuff if you like though😉 

As for your stance on Rogan, that's the same thing. You are OK with him doing his show away in a quiet place, which you think is fair. But in this scenario if Spotify would have fired him, Google would have jumped on board and blocked him from youtube. It's censorship. There isn't protection for every view, of course some people nerd to be limited because they are actively spreading hate... someone questioning vaccine plans? No, that's grounds for a public spanking and firing.

Edited November 4 by Tom2112

[evilfacelessturtle]

58 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

someone questioning vaccine plans?

This little rhetorical game is tired as fuck and everyone sees through it. You're not "just asking questions", you're knowingly making statements of fact that are factually incorrect and convincing people to harm themselves.

This is like if I were to say "Trump murdered his own secretary of defense", and when somebody calls me out for lying, I say "Oh, I'm not allowed to question the official narrative? You're censoring me, you authoritarian!!!!"

It's laughable and obvious to everyone that you're just playing a game.

Social media sites are facing lawsuits due to dangerous viral "challenges" that in some cases lead to death.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-11-30/is-tiktok-responsible-if-kids-die-doing-dangerous-viral-challenges

If I made a Youtube channel convincing people to, let's say, inject bleach into themselves, you think that should be allowed?

[downzy]

3 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

now you are suggesting i'm actuallya fan of his, get a grip. You can make up stuff if you like though😉

At what point in our discussion did I claim you are a fan of RFK Jr's? 

Don't accuse others of making stuff up if you're going to make stuff up about them.

3 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

You are OK with him doing his show away in a quiet place, which you think is fair. But in this scenario if Spotify would have fired him, Google would have jumped on board and blocked him from youtube. It's censorship.

First, there's no evidence that Google's policies are predicated on what other companies do or do not do. You're simply making more nonsense up to defend a position that requires making stuff up.

Second, even in the event that Google took its marching orders from Spotify, it's still not censorship.  Alex Jones is banned only most social media platforms but still conducts his show on his own web page.  Until such time that Rogan is completely banned from the internet, and that exile is supported and enforced by the government, you're not even close to censorship.  Any one is free to stand on a street corner and shout whatever they want.  No one is entitled to an audience...

3 hours ago, Tom2112 said:

someone questioning vaccine plans? No, that's grounds for a public spanking and firing.

But it's not a public spanking with respect to Spotify.  It's a private company.  Spotify is free to do whatever it wants.  You get the distinction, right?

[Tom2112]

23 hours ago, downzy said:

At what point in our discussion did I claim you are a fan of RFK Jr's? 

Don't accuse others of making stuff up if you're going to make stuff up about them.

First, there's no evidence that Google's policies are predicated on what other companies do or do not do. You're simply making more nonsense up to defend a position that requires making stuff up.

Second, even in the event that Google took its marching orders from Spotify, it's still not censorship.  Alex Jones is banned only most social media platforms but still conducts his show on his own web page.  Until such time that Rogan is completely banned from the internet, and that exile is supported and enforced by the government, you're not even close to censorship.  Any one is free to stand on a street corner and shout whatever they want.  No one is entitled to an audience...

But it's not a public spanking with respect to Spotify.  It's a private company.  Spotify is free to do whatever it wants.  You get the distinction, right?

Laughable. I make stuff up, you literally justbdid it. I didn't, I just called you out for your positions that you have proven to me time and time again.

There's no evidence. What evidence is good enough when the person is in absolute denial of anything that doesn't suit their narrative? Google and almost all corporations work in the same way, if one domino falls they all fall especially in the last 5+ years. Plenty of evidence there too if you cared to look for yourself and not rest on this "where's the evidence" defence on everything. You need absolute proof only when it suits your position other times, not so much as you've said yourself you're willing to give certain leeway when it's democrat reporting over Republican, your links did nothing to help that argument, you're just biased beyond any real reasoning.

Edited November 5 by Tom2112

[evilfacelessturtle]

13 minutes ago, Tom2112 said:

There's no evidence. What evidence is good enough when the person is in absolute denial of anything thst doesn't suit their narrative? Google and almost all corporations work in the same way, if one domino falls they all fall eapecially in the last 5+ years. Plenty of evidence there too if you cared to look for yourself and not rest on this "where's the evidence" defense on everything. You need absolute proof only when it suits your position other times, not so much.

Says the person who dismisses our sources without reading because you've been convinced they're biased by their rival outlets. Meanwhile I don't think I've ever seen you link a single source for anything.

"Nothing is good enough for you! I've tried nothing and you're still not satisfied!"

The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. It's not our job to do your work for you.

[Scream of the Butterfly]

I'm myself unvaccinated but I have family members and relatives who took the vaccine and I'm very worried for their health. It seems their health really deterionated after the vaccine and two people have been diagnosed with cancer - breast cancer and endometrial cancer. Considering the vaccine has been associated with menstrual disorders, it doesn't seem too farfetched to think it might be connected to hormonal cancers as well. On a positive note, some of these people appear to be doing a little bit better now, perhaps because enough time has passed since their last booster shot. Hopefully whatever potential damage the vaccine did to their health isn't entirely irreversible.

Incidentally, I myself also encountered some health issues around the same time, which is one of the reasons I'm relieved that I never took the vaccine. I wouldn't want to be left to wonder whether it was the vaccine that caused my issues. It's easier to accept diminishing health if it happens in the natural course of life than as a result of a deliberate injection.

[SoulMonster]

1 hour ago, Scream of the Butterfly said:

I'm myself unvaccinated but I have family members and relatives who took the vaccine and I'm very worried for their health. It seems their health really deterionated after the vaccine and two people have been diagnosed with cancer - breast cancer and endometrial cancer. Considering the vaccine has been associated with menstrual disorders, it doesn't seem too farfetched to think it might be connected to hormonal cancers as well. On a positive note, some of these people appear to be doing a little bit better now, perhaps because enough time has passed since their last booster shot. Hopefully whatever potential damage the vaccine did to their health isn't entirely irreversible.

Incidentally, I myself also encountered some health issues around the same time, which is one of the reasons I'm relieved that I never took the vaccine. I wouldn't want to be left to wonder whether it was the vaccine that caused my issues. It's easier to accept diminishing health if it happens in the natural course of life than as a result of a deliberate injection.

Heh, as I stated earlier, adverse effects of the Covid-19 vaccines is being monitored in pst-approval studies, and trust me, observable side effects of getting the vaccines are tremendously less significant than the actual effects of getting Covid-19.

[HOOSIER GUNZ]

The infamous “trust me”.

[SoulMonster]

1 hour ago, HOOSIER GUNZ said:

The infamous “trust me”.

Well, as in "you can trust that I have read the scientific studies". If you don't trust me, then just read the studies yourself and trust the science. 

[ZoSoRose]

I and 100% of my family and friends who take Covid boosters have had exactly zero adverse reactions.

I just get it with the flu shot, what’s the big deal? Literally feels like nothing 

[marlingrl03]

On 11/10/2024 at 5:21 AM, ZoSoRose said:

I and 100% of my family and friends who take Covid boosters have had exactly zero adverse reactions.

I just get it with the flu shot, what’s the big deal? Literally feels like nothing 

Especially with the Novavax vaccine which is a real vaccine like the flu one. I love that one. No side effects at all for me. Not even a sore arm!

[evilfacelessturtle]

 

This has to be the most clear example of Rogan's gullibility I've ever seen.

 

Edited Monday at 10:47 PM by evilfacelessturtle

[HOOSIER GUNZ]

It’s been indicated that the incoming White House press core daily briefings will include popular news podcasters and not just the establishment elite major media companies correspondent journalists.  
This seems to beg the question, who will be the first to stream a podcast show from the WH lawn, the roof, the Oval Office, Lincoln’s bedroom, the Rose garden or the WAR room?

[HOOSIER GUNZ]

And…Joe should have pulled out before he had Hunter

[WithoutYou]

3 hours ago, evilfacelessturtle said:

 

This has to be the most clear example of Rogan's gullibility I've ever seen.

 

As a former Rogan listener, it's sad to see how far he's gone into that maga bullshit bubble. Playing patty cakes with Trump, Vance and Musk etc. before the election and now just lapping up every idiotic thing any right wing hack says to him. The things that that billionaire guy is saying don't make any sense and he's just smearing the cfpb 'cause of what? He hates regulations and wants to be able to scam regular Americans? For Christ's sake, what happened to the Joe that used to agree with Bernie and have interesting conversations with people from both sides?

I really wouldn't be surprised anymore if he had the ghost of John D Rockefeller jr. on to defend the Ludlow massacre. "See Joe, it's those pesky woke left coal miners who just want to cancel me and ruin my good name, sir. Those lazy no-good radical marxist lunatics just out there striking and terrorizing good ol' honest companies. Some are even screaming to defund the National Guard! Can you imagine Joe? Can you imagine not being able to use the National Guard to shoot striking workers and their families anymore? What is the world coming to." Joe would just be nodding along like  "Bro, I know. Those woke miners are just silly."

[HOOSIER GUNZ]

Could there be a fauci ouchie total recall market product removal?
bet that’d whip some heads right off their shoulders