The "New Album" Thread. Thanks to the long ass thread, I’m going home!

[SoulMonster]

6 minutes ago, jamillos said:

I’m not saying you’re entirely wrong, but to be fair, 40 thousand out of those 50 thousand people who filled in the stadiums especially at the beginning of the reunion era wouldn’t have been able to name more than one or two songs from CD, if that. They’re there for the hits, and to them, CD is an Axl Rose solo that sounds weird, nothing like "the real GN'R", and was recorded by some unknown replacements. Like it or not, this is where they’re coming from, and the attitude is kind of understandable, even if one doesn’t fully agree with it. 
I like CD btw, but it largely does sound like an Axl solo, having not that much in common with the music that made the band super famous. 
You don’t have to be an old pretentious bag to see this. 

As for nu-metal, it was quite interesting when it was new and original, but what ensued later was copies of copies heard a hundred times before. Sure, you could say the same about some 80s rock/metal bands, perhaps, but there was usually at least some aspect that was original or different from the rest, even if it was just a couple of tunes or e.g. a guitarist, singer etc. Plus, the market wasn't oversaturated with those copies, as opposed to what came later. 

Yes, CD was to many fans an abrupt change from the style of music they loved. Gone was Slash's bluesy guitar, replaced with different guitar styles, and the songs were perhaps more piano-driven than a lot of the previous music (at least on AFD), and certainly even more saturated with "bells and whistles" and layers than even the most ambitious songs in UYI. But the poster we respond to is making the argument that the recent singles are also so far away from the classic sound that "people" can't believe it is the same band and that they make "My World sound like studio anthem." The blatant exaggerations aside, I would argue that there is no more of a jump in music style/development from the hard-hitting guitar-based rock on AFD to, say, November Rain on UYI, than from, say, Yesterdays on UYI to Perhaps; or from Shotgun Blues to Hard Skool. If people really think these songs are so far apart then I would argue they suffer from not being able to listen to them objectively. Furthermore, in contrast to UYI, the new singles have Slash's guitar and Duff's bass all over them. 

[Rovim]

3 minutes ago, SoulMonster said:

Yes, CD was to many fans an abrupt change from the style of music they loved. Gone was Slash's bluesy guitar, replaced with different guitar styles, and the songs were perhaps more piano-driven than a lot of the previous music (at least on AFD), and certainly even more saturated with "bells and whistles" and layers than even the most ambitious songs in UYI. But the poster we respond to is making the argument that the recent singles are also so far away from the classic sound that "people" can't believe it is the same band and that they make "My World sound like studio anthem." The blatant exaggerations aside, I would argue that there is no more of a jump in music style/development from the hard-hitting guitar-based rock on AFD to, say, November Rain on UYI, than from, say, Yesterdays on UYI to Perhaps; or from Shotgun Blues to Hard Skool. If people really think these songs are so far apart then I would argue they suffer from not being able to listen to them objectively. Furthermore, in contrast to UYI, the new singles have Slash's guitar and Duff's bass all over them. 

I could have said it better myself, but well said. it's close to how I see it.

[janrichmond]

12 minutes ago, Rovim said:

I don't even take that poster seriously, it's always nonsense.

Gee thanks 

[Rovim]

Just now, janrichmond said:

Gee thanks 

you know I love you but my opinion is my opinion.

[Sweersa]

I hear lots of fans singing to the CD songs at shows. It's a GN'R album, like it or not. It's even on their NITL pinball machine, and Slash had a HUGE part in putting that game together. 

By the same logic, the last 4 singles are not GN'R either, except for the bass and lead guitars on them. 

[jamillos]

3 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Yes, CD was to many fans an abrupt change from the style of music they loved. Gone was Slash's bluesy guitar, replaced with different guitar styles, and the songs were perhaps more piano-driven than a lot of the previous music (at least on AFD), and certainly even more saturated with "bells and whistles" and layers than even the most ambitious songs in UYI. But the poster we respond to is making the argument that the recent singles are also so far away from the classic sound that "people" can't believe it is the same band and that they make "My World sound like studio anthem." The blatant exaggerations aside, I would argue that there is no more of a jump in music style/development from the hard-hitting guitar-based rock on AFD to, say, November Rain on UYI, than from, say, Yesterdays on UYI to Perhaps; or from Shotgun Blues to Hard Skool. If people really think these songs are so far apart then I would argue they suffer from not being able to listen to them objectively. Furthermore, in contrast to UYI, the new singles have Slash's guitar and Duff's bass all over them. 

For once, I guess it’s not entirely useless to respond to the type of narrative I’m used to from you.  
So: you do have some points; however, I think you’re shifting the focus somewhere else (I'll skip my sarcasm this time). OP said he could never understand the "types of fans" making constant comparisons etc. etc. What I did was that I tried to show the point of view I believe these "types of fans" have. Where they’re coming from, I believe were my words. 
The AfD/UYI shift was tangible indeed, but somehow they still managed to sound like GN'R. Maybe because most of the main members were still in the game (debatable, I know, I know) and also half of the songs were actually from the AfD era, which I don’t think I have to tell you out of all people. Plus the comparison is nonsensical anyway, the band change was gradual, the UYI songs were already played during the preceding era etc. Apples and oranges. 
As for the "piano-driven" stuff, I think that’s the least of the problem. 
As for the recent singles, they’re the CD era material as well. Yes, Slash is on them, and they did make it sound like what you’d expect from him. Nevertheless... Idk, I guess there’s a certain a priori contempt which could be based on an amalgam of factors, e.g. the fact these are Axl’s 20+year old CD era demos anyway (i.e. not the "real GN'R"), the sound kinda sucks in places, half of the songs are subpar to say the least and – once again – don’t sound like what you’d expect from a Slash-containing reincarnation of the band. Plus no promotion etc., it all piles up. 
You don’t have to defend them, I did say I like CD and some (well, half) of the "new" singles. But OP seemed to be looking at things from a very narrow – or shall I say B&W – point of view, so I offered what I thought could be the perspective he didn’t see, or maybe just plain ignored. 
We cool? 

PS: You have about 30 minutes, it's five o' clock somewhere... and last time I checked, Jameson won't drink itself! I mean, it's already been opened anyway. 

Edited October 18, 2024 by jamillos

[Voodoochild]

Well, outside of the fan base, people don't care if the song was written 20 years ago. They take if for face value, for better (Perhaps, Hard Skool) or worse (The General, Absurd). 

Those new songs do come with a lot of prejudice. All the news articles cite how they were written and recorded by the CD era lineup before Slash, Duff and Richard rerecorded them. So it isn't hard to come across this information. 

Then again, I don't think people get one thing: those songs are not preventing Axl from write and record new stuff with Slash and Duff now. It's not a case of this or that. It's this or nothing. And I rather get this than nothing at all, because that's how Axl is. He had plenty of time to write and record stuff and release them all with the CD era tracks. He just didn't care.

It's no excuse for the quality of those songs, but I do like them, even if I still think most of it were superior with the CD lineup. It's just a pragmatic view on the reality of this band. I don't like it, but what else I could do? Well, I can rerecord it myself and that's what I've been doing lol.

[Guest]

I will say the released version of Perhaps was better than the leak to be fair but aside from that I prefer Hardschool leak for sure. Absurd and Silkworms I dislike except the intro to silkworms 

 

[Sweersa]

7 minutes ago, Rindmelon said:

I will say the released version of Perhaps was better than the leak to be fair but aside from that I prefer Hardschool leak for sure. Absurd and Silkworms I dislike except the intro to silkworms 

The only change to Perhaps I would make is include Robin's full solo. I'm with you on Hardschool! The General is growing on me, but the production is horrible. Absurd isn't bad, production not great, but they have released worse (Hard Skool) and I actually like Slash's playing on Absurd. The Bucket killswitch intro is killer too, and the little bits you can hear of him towards the end of the song.  

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

The only change to Perhaps I would make is include Robin's full solo. I'm with you on Hardschool! The General is growing on me, but the production is horrible. Absurd isn't bad, production not great, but they have released worse (Hard Skool) and I actually like Slash's playing on Absurd. The Bucket killswitch intro is killer too, and the little bits you can hear of him towards the end of the song.  

Yeah they ruined hardskool I think, I know people hate that school bell at the start but to be honest that's far from the worst thing they did to it.

[Sweersa]

9 minutes ago, Rindmelon said:

Yeah they ruined hardskool I think, I know people hate that school bell at the start but to be honest that's far from the worst thing they did to it.

I agree there, too. I almost can’t listen to it anymore.

[Duwz]

5 hours ago, SoulMonster said:

Stop saying "people" when it is just your personal and hilariously exaggerated opinion. You are not speaking for the people. You are speaking for yourself.

In my opinion, Perhaps and Hard Skool could easily have fit onto UYIs, and although not as great as most of the songs you mention, are much more aligned with Guns of the 80s and 90s than My World.

Come on, we see half the fanbase disliking the chinese era songs every single day in this forum. I think it's fair to say it's a large number of people. I think it's a safe assumption as well to think that if the chinese era divides even the most die-hard fans, it surely divides the other people outside this bubble. It's not everyone's cup of tea. That being said, bring back Izzy and Steven.

[Sweersa]

1 hour ago, Duwz said:

That being said, bring back Izzy and Steven.

If that ever happens, and that's a big if, it will be a short-term situation. 

[Duwz]

9 minutes ago, Sweersa said:

If that ever happens, and that's a big if, it will be a short-term situation. 

Agreed. Sadly.

[Sweersa]

21 minutes ago, Duwz said:

Agreed. Sadly.

It would be cool if the original 5 (along with the other current members, I suppose) made a few new songs on top of a tour, but it's really not something that would be sustainable, the AFD era is long over, just as it was in the '90s. I do appreciate GN'R for being a band that has significantly "evolved" and by that I mean changed, perhaps to a fault at times. But from AFD through CD and some of the reheated Chinese stuff, there's some great stuff there. The best we can hope for, at this point (aside from more CD era leaks  with Bucket and Robin ) is for the current lineup to knock out some great songs, and somehow figure out not destroying the remaining CD songs before release, assuming they touch them at all) 

[Barlog]

I've got a call from uncle Axl and the album's gonna be called 'Soon is the Word' with Eye on You (acoustic) as the first single.

[Dummy]

1 hour ago, Barlog said:

I've got a call from uncle Axl and the album's gonna be called 'Soon is the Word' with Eye on You (acoustic) as the first single.

Please let the macdaddy be included

Please please please

[-W.A.R-]

6 hours ago, Barlog said:

I've got a call from uncle Axl and the album's gonna be called 'Soon is the Word' with Eye on You (acoustic) as the first single.

Drums +2db?

[DTV88]

On 10/18/2024 at 10:15 AM, Sweersa said:

If that ever happens, and that's a big if, it will be a short-term situation. 

Bullshit. Your opinion is not fact. I would pay top dollar to go see the AFD5 or early Illusions era do a real reunion tour. And I would be going to multiple shows along with a lot of others. 
 

Richard Fortus is simply a talented guitarist performing other people’s artistry. Well, except for his shitty solo spot in Rocket Queen that does not fit the song in any way.

[Gordon Comstock]

3 hours ago, DTV88 said:

Bullshit. Your opinion is not fact. I would pay top dollar to go see the AFD5 or early Illusions era do a real reunion tour. And I would be going to multiple shows along with a lot of others.

 

I get that people want a classic reunion (though I'm sure it would be even more underwhelming than NITL, for several reasons) but I agree with @Sweersa. Izzy's not signing up for years of touring, Steven probably couldn't physically do it anymore (certainly not the 3~ hours shows... I love Steven but he's been pretty inconsistent the last few years) so what you'd get is a short, wildly over-priced tour in theatres or something. They'd probably still bring Richard and Frank along anyway if they do 3 hour shows, which would be ridiculous, but completely unsurprising.

At this point I really don't want Izzy and Steven back (people mention UYI but are they really delusional enough to think Matt would even get a guest spot?). That era is long dead, Izzy made his stance clear 8 years ago and I don't see that changing. Why should Izzy embarrass himself for such a blatant cash-grab?

[DTV88]

1 hour ago, Gordon Comstock said:

 

I get that people want a classic reunion (though I'm sure it would be even more underwhelming than NITL, for several reasons) but I agree with @Sweersa. Izzy's not signing up for years of touring, Steven probably couldn't physically do it anymore (certainly not the 3~ hours shows... I love Steven but he's been pretty inconsistent the last few years) so what you'd get is a short, wildly over-priced tour in theatres or something. They'd probably still bring Richard and Frank along anyway if they do 3 hour shows, which would be ridiculous, but completely unsurprising.

At this point I really don't want Izzy and Steven back (people mention UYI but are they really delusional enough to think Matt would even get a guest spot?). That era is long dead, Izzy made his stance clear 8 years ago and I don't see that changing. Why should Izzy embarrass himself for such a blatant cash-grab?

Why does Axl embarrass himself on stage every night for the blatant cash grab that is this touring band? Izzy was the heart and soul of Guns. Everything since TSI? has been an immense let down. At this point, they should bury the hatchet, do a final album, tour and call it a night. 

[Sweersa]

5 hours ago, DTV88 said:

Bullshit. Your opinion is not fact. I would pay top dollar to go see the AFD5 or early Illusions era do a real reunion tour. And I would be going to multiple shows along with a lot of others. 
 

Richard Fortus is simply a talented guitarist performing other people’s artistry. Well, except for his shitty solo spot in Rocket Queen that does not fit the song in any way.

Why so combative? All I said only implied an AFD5 reunion is unlucky, and if it were to happen, it wouldn't be a long-term thing. I would bet most here would agree.

Grab a beer, smoke a joint or a cig, take a gummy, whatever it takes man.  My opinion was just that, an opinion. Your reaction does give me confidence I'm probably right, which of course is unfortunate. It would be a fun novelty of the brand, I mean band if they could get those 5 dudes to do anything together again, even if for one or two songs or shows. 

[Gordon Comstock]

28 minutes ago, DTV88 said:

Why does Axl embarrass himself on stage every night for the blatant cash grab that is this touring band? Izzy was the heart and soul of Guns. Everything since TSI? has been an immense let down. At this point, they should bury the hatchet, do a final album, tour and call it a night. 

 

Yea he was, it would be great if he came back in a studio role and wrote them 8-10 Dust N' Bones, 14 Years calibre tracks... but that magic isn't coming back just because they pay him whatever he's asking. A tour focused on AFD and early stuff would be cool until about the 3rd song when Axl wheezes his way through the high vocals. The AFD era is best left as a time capsule.

[SoulMonster]

9 hours ago, DTV88 said:

Bullshit. Your opinion is not fact. I would pay top dollar to go see the AFD5 or early Illusions era do a real reunion tour. And I would be going to multiple shows along with a lot of others. 

I don't think he was implying that there aren't some market interest in a reunion of the Appetite lineup, I suppose there is although it is likely not very big, but rather that Steven and Izzy, for different reasons, wouldn't be part of a big tour.

4 hours ago, DTV88 said:

At this point, they should bury the hatchet, do a final album, tour and call it a night. 

Regardless of much it pains you that they keep touring when you don't like it, they should continue to tour for as long as other people like it. 

[SoulMonster]

Just now, DTV88 said:

Blah, blah, blah. You are simply the most boring poster with childish insults that you think are worded so intellectually. If I’m not up to your posting standards, feel free to not engage with me. Cause that’s the way discussion boards work, too 

But I have no problems engaging with you. I appreciate your posts and your opinions. We might not always agree, but that doesn't affect me.